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Hold my beer.
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DBH abilities: Electric Boogaloo
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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wow i wonder if the guys who can all sense ki saying that it's tokitoki's ki is sealing their powers might be implying that tokitoki's ki is responsible here and not time power. guess we'll never know for sure."Made out of Time Power"
"What is the proof for power nulling from it?"
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wow i wonder if the guys who can all sense ki saying that it's tokitoki's ki is sealing their powers might be implying that tokitoki's ki is responsible here and not time power. guess we'll never know for sure.
Sorry to burst out your bubbles but the image also says that they refer to it as Bird of Calamity's ki in contrast to Bird of Time's ki. Again, you can't prove what form of ki they are referring to as they could also imply that it's his special ki not to mention they found about what kind of bird it is later and this is some peak gaslighting moment.
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Anyone got the short summary of the arguments from both sides at this point? I'll take a look myself at what's currently being argued. Right now for the life of me I can't really tell what's been argued at the moment.
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You- You do realize none of them knows anything about the bird at all, don't you?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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That is irrelevant. Characters who can recognize ki - because again, ki sensing is one of the most basic skills ki users possess - are saying it's ki.
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Isn't it also accepted that Ki literally negates abilities from lesser characters? From what I'm seeing here this could simply be a result of Toki-Toki having higher Ki and thus negating their abilities. Also I feel like this is massive shift of the burden of proof onto Fujiwara. It isn't up to her to prove a negative, it's up to the supporters to prove specifcally that time manipulation was used to negate their abilities.
Ki Nullification is a thing after all and from what I'm seeing there isn't any explicit statements that Toki-Toki used time manipulation in this instance.
Ki Nullification is a thing after all and from what I'm seeing there isn't any explicit statements that Toki-Toki used time manipulation in this instance.
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I mean that does seem pretty blatant by my estimate. Ki sensing is among the most basic techniques in Dragon Ball, and the Gods of Destruction are saying the Bird of Calamity's ki is attaching to them and sealing their power.
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Fuji's linked her main arguments, so what we need now is a compilation of the arguments against the removal. We're also apparently waiting for Viet to provide arguments as well.
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Fuji and Glassman makes sense to me.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Profectus' response can be found here, although I'll leave it to DBH supporters to link any other arguments they think are relevant.
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That helps, thanks
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Okay sooo... From what i gathered apparently. The "ki" Toki-Toki used perhaps could've been Light Factor in contrast to Dark Factor that is also referred to as "ki" that Dogi-Dogi used. Especially given there are parallels we seen from both Time Birds anyway.
Either that or TP seems to be referred to as ki as well otherwise its all illogical to me. But again, i let DBH folks to solve out and they better explain in detail.
Either that or TP seems to be referred to as ki as well otherwise its all illogical to me. But again, i let DBH folks to solve out and they better explain in detail.
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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"perhaps could've been" is an open admission that what you're suggesting amounts to nothing more than headcanon, unless there is evidence to your claim (which, if there is, I'm not sure why you didn't post it).
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I can't say much on this matter given DBH supporters told me specifically that they are handling this matter themselves so i refrain for now and from there talks, i assumed this should be the case which is why i'll wait either for ICE or Viet to clear this up.
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1) I said “what if” and 2) The hell you know my arguments? You don’t even have access to the same scans I do.
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That said I’m not opposed to Toki-Toki giving himself ki to then use said ki to powernull the GoDs. But since this is quite extensive reasoning I can understand why Time Power was misinterpreted as being Toki-Toki’s ki/assuming that the GoDs were wrong, so thanks for pointing that out Fuji
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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So... it's 4 staff in favor of the removals, right? Save for vector and causality manipulation iirc
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Yeah, though we’re waiting for Vietthai to bring his arguments first before we conclude this thread
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What's the deal with causality manipulation?
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It can stay.
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Am I tripping, or didn't we agree to keep two other abilities aside from Causality and Vector hax?
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@Ottavio_Merluzzo I assume you’re referring to the Nonexistent erasure and text manipulation? Cause those can stay. The rest aside from Causality hax is being contested atm.
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Speaking of Causality hax:
Also, will the causality/fate hax of Time Power still affect Type 1 & 4 Acausals or no?
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Dw the thread isn't dying, we are currently waiting for Viet.
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I just got in touch with Vietthai, he said when he’s free from work he’ll comment.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Bump (just doing this so the thread doesn't get forgotten)
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Any updates from Vietthai?
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Bad news for Vietthai, his PC is dead and his phone keeps crashing so he’s unable to comment, he said we can push on with the thread and he’ll make a thread in the future when everything gets back to working again.
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If that’s the case, the thread can be applied given the staff consensus
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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I should note that many DBH profiles give characters data/information/concept based NPI, which should also be removed based on the conclusions in this thread.
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