DBH abilities: Electric Boogaloo

[CloverDragon03]

I feel like that's something that should've been mentioned near the start of the thread rather than spontaneously bringing it up at the thread's conclusion

 

[Planck69]

It is directly tied to the abilities being removed, so it seems like a natural conclusion.

 

[CloverDragon03]

In that case, it should be fine. I just would've preferred for it to be brought up earlier

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I feel like that's something that should've been mentioned near the start of the thread rather than spontaneously bringing it up at the thread's conclusion

I forgor to do it earlier, sorry

 

[CloverDragon03]

I forgor to do it earlier, sorry

I felt that. Fair enough

 

[Theglassman12]

I’ll try to apply the changes later today when I’m free

 

[omegabronic]

can anyone summarize what was accepted to be removed? iirc there was some abilities that were accepted as ok to stay, altho i don't remember which

 

[Theglassman12]

@omegabronic Text manipulation and nonexistent erasure for time power stays, Causality hax stays for dark ki though it’s gonna be prep time at best, and wouldn’t scale to resistances. Everything else is getting removed

 

[Eseseso]

@omegabronic Text manipulation and nonexistent erasure for time power stays, Causality hax stays for dark ki though it’s gonna be prep time at best, and wouldn’t scale to resistances. Everything else is getting removed

So time power no longer has causality hax of its own?

 

[Theglassman12]

Given the lack of evidence of controlling events to the extent of actual warping cause and effect, it’s going away.

 

[segetero]

@Theglassman12 I’m not going to debate here, but genuinely, how is reverting the universe to a state of zero, not causality manipulation?

 

[Killerdrone123]

Yeah, I'm with Ice, Profectus & SuperSonicTL on this one. Especially with the Tokipedia and Time Scroll cross-scaling and Ziku World stuff (shocking I know). The only thing I'll say for now is that I find the causality manip removal attempt odd since they have direct feats of changing outcomes and manipulating events like the Time Egg changing Dabura's outcome so he didn't get gobbled up by Buu or Chronoa directly adjusting history with her Time Power to remove the events of their presence/intervention in that history.

And with that, my work here is done. I return to the Void.

Also this time power has shown changing events to I don't think anyone has debunked this

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

@Theglassman12 I’m not going to debate here, but genuinely, how is reverting the universe to a state of zero, not causality manipulation?

Time manipulation. Causality manip has to have stuff like manipulation of events/sequences or cause and effect mentioned.

 

[segetero]

Time manipulation. Causality manip has to have stuff like manipulation of events/sequences or cause and effect mentioned.

But to revert the universe to its initial condition, Fuu would have to undo all the events that had transpired up until that point.

 

[Eseseso]

But to revert the universe to its initial condition, Fuu would have to undo all the events that had transpired up until that point.

Not unless the past itself was altered, like with the Super Genesis Wave in Sonic which altered events across the past, present, and future.

Yeah, this seems just like time hax to me.

 

[segetero]

@Eseseso @BestMGQScalerEver, What about this?

 

[Theglassman12]

@segetero yeah that’s just more time hax, not causality hax, same with that new scan, that just sounds more like memory hax than causality hax if they’re wiping away memories more than rewriting entire events.

 

[omegabronic]

@Eseseso @BestMGQScalerEver, What about this?

that scan is used for memory manip currently

 

[Eseseso]

@Eseseso @BestMGQScalerEver, What about this?

How exactly did Chronoa adjust history?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Pretty sure it was already decided by admins and the main scalers that the changes has been accepted and will be implimented (most of them), and the main DB scalers will open a new CRT in the future to try to get back what was lost. I think it may be best to just close this CRT for now.

 

[segetero]

@segetero yeah that’s just more time hax, not causality hax, same with that new scan, that just sounds more like memory hax than causality hax if they’re wiping away memories more than rewriting entire events.

I’m a bit confused as to why it’s just memory manipulation. Chronoa says that she is directly adjusting history with her power.

 

[Theglassman12]

And it’s not really elaborated on how she’s doing it in the first place to assume it’s causality hax, her saying she’d wipe the memories of those who remember seeing them tells me it’s more memory hax than anything.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Where's the original scene from? I feel like this could be easily resolved if we had more context lol

 

[segetero]

@Theglassman12 Though I personally disagree with the removal of causality manipulation, I have to compliment you on well-made crt things like cm1, were definitely a bit sus.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Is Info/data manip staying or...?

 

[Theglassman12]

Text manipulation and nonexistent erasure for time power stays, Causality hax stays for dark ki though it’s gonna be prep time at best, and wouldn’t scale to resistances. Everything else is getting removed

@SuperSonicTL

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Is Info/data manip staying or...?

Didn't someone mention ss3micah addressing the issue since they're knowledgeable on ziku world? I was going to bring it up but Vietthai did ask for it to be concluded so I wasn't too sure.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

@SuperSonicTL

Tbf, i thought it would be the least thing that would stay in place of CM but oh well who am i to judge?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Agree with the OP.

 

[Theglassman12]

The changes are done, gonna close the thread.