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I'll add those after the major changes are done.
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Dark Souls Upgrades
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Blocking Gwyn's strikes?
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I think the Chosen Undead should be CB to Small City+ in base, Country level by mid-game and Star level by the end of the game.
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Ornstein should be country level, so should Artorias, and solaire should be city, then country, then star. Kalameet should not be star level he got crippled by gough. Manus shouldn't be star level either because if he is then that means Artorias is star level for not getting obliterated by him.
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manus and seath have nothing that would put them at 4-C,Dark649 said:
lothric and lorian should only be 4-C, the ashen one gets a power up before the fight with the soul of cinder so they shouldn't scale and just because the nameless king is a harder boss fight than the Soul of cinder, it doesn't mean it's stronger
ornstein is 6-B for killing everlasting dragons, smough is comparable to him and is able to crush him, solaire should be 4-C too for being comparable to end-game chosen undead, for being able to hurt hollow gwyn and for beacause myazaki said he would be able to link the fire
Well, if we assume that the Bearer of the Curse claimed the throne and linked the fire, we would have to assume that the shards of Manus are probably 4-C, given how they tend to be the Bearer's more prominent opponents. Manus being that tier would make more sense conceptually. I disagree about Sir Alonne and Raime being anywhere near that level though, given how there aren't any accolades that indicate they are even comparable to the Knights of Gwyn. I agree about Lothric and Lorian being 4-C, and the Nameless King being 4-C as well.
That hardly seems to be enough evidence to indicate that these minuscule shards are stronger than their Father. The dialogue from Vendrick seems to indicate that they aren't even close in strength to the being that they were originally apart of. Heck, many of these shards are described as being weak and fragile, especially Nashandra who is regarded as the weakest of the shards of Manus. Regardless, not all of the shards absorbed strength from a king. Vendrick seemed to be the only one who was close to becoming a "true monarch" based on dialogue from Aldia. We don't even know if the other three kings had the potential to become Lords of Cinder to begin with.
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This is why I hoped to do the revision myself.
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6-B. He has 0 feats that would scale him higher,
Well, this would further adhere to my belief in that the BOTC is ridiculously weaker than any of the other protagonists.
Which honestly makes little sense conceptually given how the opponents that the BOTC faces aren't very noteworthy, compared to those faced in the other soul entries. DS2 is strange in regards to how the flame is light, and it seems to make more sense that the BOTC abandoned the throne seeking a more permanent solution to the curse.
The thing is, his statistics are too questionable for my liking. The shards were consistently treated as just that, mere fragments of a much greater entity in which would merely attempt to manipulate their respective chosen ruler. He had generally faced opponents who were a part of a kingdom that had never encountered threats on the likes of those seen during the age of ancients and the first age of fire. The BOTC transitioning to star level seems to be based on pure coincidence and plot, much like the Ashen One getting a ridiculous boost in strength between his confrontations with the Princes and the SOC.
That cutscene consisted of obtaining power from five of the most recent Lords of Cinder, who could very well have been the weakest. Sure, the Princes never linked the fire, so they never relinquished their power, but at the same time it is clearly evident that they are practically shadows of their former selves. Lorian is shown to have become a crippled knight, while Lothric has seen better days. A fragile being using his cripple brother as support. Pretty sad, and this still makes little sense given what the SOC represents as a whole.
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maybe manus could be 4-C, he created the abyss and the abyss currupted the abyss watchers
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I agree with @Mysterious about BOTC being much weaker than the other protagonists.
I'd be fine with Keeweed's suggestion actually.
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everybody that is a dragon or has killed a dragon should scale from the bell's 6-B feat
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