Dark Souls Tier 4 Revision

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

I think so, yes.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Here's my suggestions.

• Ashen One, Gael, and Soul of Cinder remain as they are, though bumping them down to "At least 4-C, likely High 4-C" would be favorable- I doubt 4-B's legitimacy.
• Nito and Izalith become 4-C
• Four Kings and Seath all gain "possibly 4-C" for bearing a fragment of Gwyn's Soul.
• Manus gains "likely 4-C" via backscaling from Nashandra.

I was iffy on the following being shoehorned in: Midir scaling to Gael or any Lord of Cinder. I don't think this is usable, given that while the two are fought one after the other, Midir has very little in-game lore to support this. Midir's entire in-game lore shtick is that he's been absorbing the Darkness that was attempting to consume the Ringed City for countless millennia. This doesn't inherently make him comparable to a Lord of Cinder, and we generally don't care about when the boss is fought.

So as far as I know, my suggested edits are all. I'm willing to put them through if you like, was just busy today.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. That is probably fine.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Four Kings and Seath all gain "possibly 4-C" for bearing a fragment of Gwyn's Soul.

Is that a possibly in addition to his tier 6 rating or just the tier 4?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I would say in addition, given that we don't know how major that portion of his soul was. It's safe to assume that it was significant indeed but we can't make an exact guess.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Will say again since it seems the profiles don't reflect this: Seathe and Four Kings should keep their Tier 6 ratings, and simply have "possibly 4-C" added on.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think Midir not scaling is ******* Bizarre, but **** it. We can focus on that some other time.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Alright, that's this handled. Hows about we finish those speed revisions so we can reopen my thread.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

eh why does sith and the witch of izalith have type 8 immortality their aren't undead

 

[Mr. Bambu]

...Seath?

Because of the crystal. The one that makes him immortal. That you need to destroy to kill him.

Witch?

Probably because of the bug-things inside the Bed of Chaos that need to be destroyed to silence the thing.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

...Seath?

Because of the crystal. The one that makes him immortal. That you need to destroy to kill him.

Witch?

Probably because of the bug-things inside the Bed of Chaos that need to be destroyed to silence the thing.

eh bed of chaos is the bug
seath eh yeah sure but it should be a foot note that his immortality is tied to the crystal

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

eh why does sith and the witch of izalith have type 8 immortality their aren't undead

Type 7 is Undeath, Type 8 is reliant

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to apply what has been accepted here?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Type 7 is Undeath, Type 8 is reliant

well seath is fine the bed of chaos isn't

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is somebody willing to apply what has been accepted here?

^?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the revisions that Bambu thinks are appropriate, or do I misremember?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

they have been applyed antv

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good. So what is left to do here?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

well i want to clear up the type 8 on bed of chaos because it really doesn't fit there at all
other then that nothing

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I think Type 8 works fine. The Bug is technically the witch and the bed is something else.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I am in agreement with Apies. The Bed of Chaos is the great big tree thing, the various bugs are letting it continue functioning. They aren't necessarily the witch herself, I suspect the bugs are her daughters and the Bed is the Witch. But in either case, the Bed relies on them to remain active. Type 8 Immortality.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

We might need a Pre-Bed of Chaos key for Izalith.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't see why. Bed of Chaos still contains her Lord Soul, e.g., the thing that makes her comparable to an LoC.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

She doesn't have creation or corruption Pre-Bed of Chaos tho. Also, she's not immobile.

In hindsight, I think I'll do this as a separate CRT.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Hold on now! I've called the next one.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

it would work if destroying the bug wouldn't flat out kill the bed of chaos
that like saying oh yeah a vampire has type 8 since you have to destroy its heart to kill it

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That isn't the only way to kill a vampire though? If it were then, yes, that's exactly how it would end up?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Lemme try to clear this up.

You are saying this isn't Type 8 Immortality.

"Reliant Immortality: The character cannot die as long as a certain being, object, or even concept exists."

This is what Type 8 is defined as. So, quite simply, can you, in any way, kill the Bed of Chaos without destroying the bugs?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

well its heavily impled that the bug is the bed of choas but **** it the type 8 is bearly even aplicable in any fight since destroying the bug inside the bed of chaos instanly kills it
i conceed

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I think Bambu is referring to the two things you have to destroy before killing Bed of Chaos.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

but they just sheild it though that would me more like armor then immortality

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I thought we took care of this one already.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if you reached a conclusion, the results also need to be applied.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I did.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should I close this thread then?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

I think it can be, unless Soul has some reason for bumping it.

Also just gonna plug my own thread here. Now that we got this and the tier revisions finished, hopefully I can get it reopened soon.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I bumped it to make sure it was actually done.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

This can be closed then.