Dark Souls Speed Issue

[SheevShezarrine]

Currently, Dark Souls characters Country level and above are ranked as Relativistic+ for reacting to Sunlight Spear, which is stated to be made of sunlight. Let me give some reasons why I disagree with this.

Firstly, it deals lightning damage. If it were actual light, it would deal damage through burning (fire damage), like lasers irl, or at least deal magic damage to establish a consistency in damage type between it and the other spells in the games decribed as light (Soul Bolt, Divine Pillars of Light, etc.)

Second, it doesn't refract in water. Once again, it fails to act like light.

Third, it doesn't travel in a straight line. When its target moves out of its path, it attempts to follow.

Fourth, it's tangible. It's shown being gripped by its caster, and it staggers opponents as though they've been hit with a physical object.

Fifth, it doesn't originate at a realistic source of light.

Sixth, it's never shown reflecting off of a non-magical mirror. Looking Glass Knight's Mirror Shield deflects clearly non-light spells in the same manner as the supposed light-based Sunlight Spear.

TLDR; SoL Sunlight Spear/Rel+ Dark Souls is a no-no.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Kinda agree. Why was it even light speed to begin with?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because its stated to be natural sunlight created and used by people who literally maintain the sun

 

[Lightbuster30]

Because its stated to be natural sunlight created and used by people who literally maintain the sun

Yet it doesn't act like it? I don't really care for electric damage, or being tangible, but not reflecting, refracting, and bending slightly to try to hit the target are contradictions. I thought we were supposed to be tough on light based feats?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Light It reflects off of mirrors, magic or not its still a mirror, not refracting is a developer oversight as light is almost never shown to refract in any work of fiction. And when and where has Sunlight Spear ever bent? In Dark Souls Sunlight Spear is a risky ability since it doesnt follow enemies and requires accuracy to hit someone directly.

 

[Lightbuster30]

@Light It reflects off of mirrors, magic or not its still a mirror, not refracting is a developer oversight as light is almost never shown to refract in any work of fiction. And when and where has Sunlight Spear ever bent? In Dark Souls Sunlight Spear is a risky ability since it doesnt follow enemies and requires accuracy to hit someone directly.

The problem is the mirror reflects most projectiles anyway. Has it reflected from the mirrors in the Dragon Arie?

 

[Kaltias]

>The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.

Btw if it's tangible, it's not light.

 

[Wokistan]

Sunlight spear is actually one of the spells that has no tracking. Tracking on most of the non homing spells is a game mechanic to make magic not entirely awful anyways, and due to the high damage Sunlight Spear doesn't get any.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kal Nothing implies Sunlight Spear is tangible, its more along the lines of something like Aang's airbending attacks, theyre not tangible but he can still use then as attacks with a throwing motion. The Spear itself is Sunlight.

 

[Konaguna]

@Light It reflects off of mirrors, magic or not its still a mirror, not refracting is a developer oversight as light is almost never shown to refract in any work of fiction. And when and where has Sunlight Spear ever bent? In Dark Souls Sunlight Spear is a risky ability since it doesnt follow enemies and requires accuracy to hit someone directly.

Scans of it reflecting off mirrors?

You do realize that FEATS>STATEMENTS

How many times does this have to be said, if it doesn't act like light it isn't light. Soul of Cinder has homing sunlight spears, meaning that whatever sunlight spears are made from, it isn't light because they can home, they are miracles, they have no properties of light whatsoever, numerous feats go against a single statement.

 

[Kaltias]

That seems pretty tangible to me.

It pretty clearly hit those guys with some kind of blunt force

 

[Konaguna]

@Kal Nothing implies Sunlight Spear is tangible, its more along the lines of something like Aang's airbending attacks, theyre not tangible but he can still use then as attacks with a throwing motion. The Spear itself is Sunlight.

https://youtu.be/padfkzGThWc?t=238

They home at the player, that is definitely not light

 

[Wokistan]

Unholy, that is very clearly not regular sunlight spear.

 

[Wokistan]

Reflects off of mirrors when you shoot mirror knight's shield with it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kal Its not tangible

@Unholy Sunlight Spear doesnt home in on enemies because of the massive amount of damage it does, its one of the few Miracles oin the game that doesnt

 

[Konaguna]

Unholy, that is very clearly not regular sunlight spear.

It's the same sunlight spear Gwyn uses, the same spear used to kill the dragons. Used by the lord of Sunlight himself. It's literally the same spear but there are more of them and they home. Sunlight spear isn't light, It's tangible like they guy above me proved, and they don't act like light, but lightning. Not to mention they do not reflect off of anything, unless you have scans, but it doesn't matter since they don't travel in a straight line anyway.

 

[Kaltias]

It smacked a person in the face.

That's being tangible.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Unholy You posted a video of the Soul of Cinder using Lightning Spear

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kal If you hit someone with a 4-C attack of course its going to damage them

 

[Wokistan]

That is the one instance in all of the series where the spell behaves like that. Whenever anyone who's not the SOC uses it, its one of the few spells that has absolutely no tracking. They reflect off of mirror knight's shield, I just can't be bothered to load up ds2, make a miracle character and get all the way there rn. I'll find you a video later, or maybe someone else will.

 

[Kaltias]

If you hit someone with a beam of light (an actual beam of light) it won't smack someone around.

If it's focused like a laser it would simply go through them (read "make a hole in their body and keep going")

 

[Konaguna]

@Unholy Sunlight Spear doesnt home in on enemies because of the massive amount of damage it does, its one of the few Miracles oin the game that doesnt

Damage has absolutely nothing to do with travel speed in any way, that information doesn't help you in the slightest. The same spear Gwyn can use can also change direction of travel. That alone proves it's not sunlight. SOC literally utilizes his power, using the same spears as he once did. It's a magical spear, and all the feats disprove the SoL statement.

 

[Konaguna]

@Unholy You posted a video of the Soul of Cinder using Lightning Spear

click again, I made a slight mistake

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Weekly

But there is a difference between dealing damage and physically hitting. A spear of sunlight could burn or kill someone, but it couldn't knock them backwards.

If it staggers someone, it means it has mass. If it has mass, it isn't light.

We are very strict with our light requirements and this meets none of them aside from being called light.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Once again that is a clip of lightning spear, the only time he uses sunlight spear is the one that goes in in a straight line and doesn't track

 

[SheevShezarrine]

@Light It reflects off of mirrors, magic or not its still a mirror, not refracting is a developer oversight as light is almost never shown to refract in any work of fiction. And when and where has Sunlight Spear ever bent? In Dark Souls Sunlight Spear is a risky ability since it doesnt follow enemies and requires accuracy to hit someone directly.

It has slight tracking in DS3

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Assalt it actually meets all of the requirements other than being able to lock someone over

 

[CursedGentleman]

Drink once every time that there is a content revision about the God Tier and the speed stats revision.

BTW, I am neutral on this.

 

[Konaguna]

Once again that is a clip of lightning spear, the only time he uses sunlight spear is the one that goes in in a straight line and doesn't track

go to the video and play from 3:58. Those are homing sunlight spears no different than any other Sunlight spear.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Unholy No, that is lightning spear

 

[CursedGentleman]

@Unholy

You do realize that you tried three times to say that a lightning spear is a sunlight spear, right?

That hurts your argument dude

 

[Konaguna]

@Unholy No, that is lightning spear

Alright, here is a pic of two variations, of sunlight spear. One goes in a straight line, the other goes up in the ait. Both look exactly the same, they both have same length and even the color.

Lightning spear doesn't look that orange-reddish, it's yellow.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The one that goes in the air is lightning spear

 

[Konaguna]

Both of those are yellow as both are lightning spear my dude

Oh **** me, can you get any more fodder? Soul of Cinder second phase is Gwyn, Gwyn used sunlight spear, the description says it, the spear has a distinct color that makes it different from Great and normal lightning spear.

 

[CursedGentleman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXH5yPPWnko

It doesnt look like, the sunlight spear is you know, shorter

 

[Wokistan]

Also, in DS3 there's divine pillars of light, which doesn't run into any issues with the guidelines outlined above. Even if sunlight spear gets rejected, that spell is still a thing and is used by more enemies than just other players and SOC, so if anything it's more consistent than the current scaling. DS3 should be safe, at the very least.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean.

The laser/light dodging feats page says "If it's tangible it's not light".

That's tangible.

So it's not light.

It doesn't matter if it meets the other requirements, because it literally goes against one of the three criteria that the light must meet, otherwise no light speed attack.

 

[Konaguna]

All of you fodder take a good look at this photo. the one below is the one Gwyn uses, it's the same one as the Soul of Cinder uses. It's the not so SoL sunlight spear. the one above is Lightning spear/great lightning spear. It's used by Gwyn and so it passes onto SoC. it can home, making it magical light. because gwyn has never used a lightning spear ever, never he has shown to do so.

Sunlight spear doesn't move in a straight line, shit isn't hard to understand.

 

[Wokistan]

Except even if you assume SOC is using sunlight, every other instance of its usage goes in a straight line and doesn't get tracking. Why take the one instance above what is consistently displayed of the spell?

 

[Konaguna]

Except even if you assume SOC is using sunlight, every other instance of its usage goes in a straight line and doesn't get tracking. Why take the one instance above what is consistently displayed of the spell?

Because it's not. Ornstein also shoots homing lightning spears. If both Lightning and sunlight spears can't keep a straigt line then they aren't light or natural shit. plus you forget it is tangible, another feat that goes against the statement. Dark Souls characters get tagged by lightning, Sunlight is out of question. especially when created from magic, not a natural source.