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Outside vs yes, here Sadly nah.Does his time stop work on characters with infinite speed? (Sorry if this a stupid question, since speed is equalized regardless).
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Outside vs yes, here Sadly nah.Does his time stop work on characters with infinite speed? (Sorry if this a stupid question, since speed is equalized regardless).
Apparently they were some external influences within the movie that explains some of the inconsistencies via the novelization of it (likely Llama shenanigans). Tho @Executor_N0 knows more about it than I do.Ok after rewatching the movie the evil Hoopa actually did summon the creation trio first in one of the fights, but it constantly summons random legendaries throughout the rest of the movie and the good Hoopa (the Hoopa used here) didnât even attempt to summon them. So whether him summoning the creation trio first that time was a coincidence or not, and whether that would apply to good Hoopa is up to debate. Considering how every other legendary he summons is consistently random, in many other scenes he didnât open with them, and how thatâs not even the Hoopa we are using, I would say him opening with the trio isnât likely.
On top of this, Hoopa can resist its own mind hax / corruption.I'm pretty sure Hoopa resists its own Mind hax because of it being related to Psychic Type, so its relation with Dark Type should make it able to resist it. Fear hax shouldn't work tbh, as emphatic hax is treated as a part of the mind/soul in Pokémon verse, which is elementally resisted from Dark type.
Because Hoopa did not have mastery over its powers when doing this. Hoopa isnât like this anymore after the movie.Wait hold on why is everyone arguing for mind manipulation and creation trio summoning. Hoopa doesnât open with either of those. He opens with mind manipulation only with his summons (so they actually follow him and donât immediately attack him) and he definitely didnât open with the creation trio he summons random legendaries.
I'll go with B because that is more funIf thatâs the case then we either A) make Hoopa completely unusable in versus threads because we have zero clue what heâll actually do, or B) go the nameless rpg character route and assume his move set is entirely random.
Dante has precog so he can dodge the portals. When it comes to the legendaries anything that isnât the creation trio gets wrecked trying to fight Dante due to concept manipulation (and many other things).Hoopa can just teleport him away and summon his legendary pokemon army right?
I would go with B because thatâs what we do for every other character without know tactics.I'll go with B because that is more fun
Well he summoned dialga and palkia who have infinite speedDante has precog so he can dodge the portals. When it comes to the legendaries anything that isnât the creation trio gets wrecked trying to fight Dante due to concept manipulation (and many other things).
I mean we usually do âanything goesâ but I wasnât sure if that only applies to game characters or not.No, we donât make characters unusable just because they donât have a set character on how they fight.
If thereâs no pre-established mindset, anything goes. We do this for characters that donât have a character all the time here.
He did, but nothing about Hoopa says heâll open with that. So he has a 1/30 or so chance of doing so versus Dante doing anything after closing the distance (Thereâs no way Hoopa is wining a sword fight with Dante with his skill disadvantage).Well he summoned dialga and palkia who have infinite speed
I'm saying that he can teleport Dante away to summon his legendary army since he can summon dialga and palkia who have infinite speedHe did, but nothing about Hoopa says heâll open with that. So he has a 1/30 or so chance of doing so versus Dante doing anything after closing the distance (Thereâs no way Hoopa is wining a sword fight with Dante with his skill disadvantage).
Him teleporting Dante away requires him to get him into a portal. Due to his precognition Dante would dodge that (Also I think Dante has teleportation in this key)I'm saying that he can teleport Dante away to summon his legendary army since he can summon dialga and palkia who have infinite speed
But wouldn't summons be speed equalised too??I'm saying that he can teleport Dante away to summon his legendary army since he can summon dialga and palkia who have infinite speed
His army includes all the 2-A pokemon, wich would easily erase him in a 8v1Yes, but Dante stomps a large majority of them. Many are 5-B or lower and the high 3-A opens generally donât have a ton going for them. Danteâs soul, fear, and conceptual hax would easily beat out a very large majority of them. So Hoopa opening with anything but the creation trio or a really specific legendary isnât going to do much of anything.
You know Hoopa can summon other High 3-As too right?I mean we usually do âanything goesâ but I wasnât sure if that only applies to game characters or not.
If it applies to Hoopa here then saying he opens with the creation trio would be completely false and itâs very likely Dante defeats him then. As he just needs to fight random legendaries (many of which are 5-B to 6-B) or dodge portals.
Anything dante does one shots hoopa. Skill isn't even a factor here.He did, but nothing about Hoopa says heâll open with that. So he has a 1/30 or so chance of doing so versus Dante doing anything after closing the distance (Thereâs no way Hoopa is wining a sword fight with Dante with his skill disadvantage).
Oh I forgot, he still has a chance to teleport him even with precog since speed is equalBut wouldn't summons be speed equalised too??
Aren't they??
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I know, but which Pokémon he summons is random. So it could be high 3-A, it could not be. And many of the high 3-As get stomped by Dante.You know Hoopa can summon other High 3-As too right?
And anyway, no, it wouldnât be wrong to say he summons the CT since nothing explicitly says it would be wrong. Anything would go.
And we also canât assume he wouldnât either since nothing 100% says either or. Going by âchancesâ or likelihood for a character that has an anything goes mindset is silly to me, especially when the result hinges on what specific scenario you want to push for.Once again whether he summons the creation trio or not is entirely random. We canât assume heâll open with the 2-As and thereâs a larger chance that he wonât versus that he would.
Yes...he has that since his 19 year old self.Him teleporting Dante away requires him to get him into a portal. Due to his precognition Dante would dodge that (Also I think Dante has teleportation in this key)
Well he summons multiple legendaries, he could stall with portals and the speed being equalised while the 2-A's arriveAnything dante does one shots hoopa. Skill isn't even a factor here.
No we donât. I know for fact we donât assume they go with their best options. No thread with rpg characters has ever had that before and we always assume they go with something completely random. I can think of many fights where game characters have lost because they had a ton of win condition but we assumed they went with a random useless move instead majority of the time.The chances aren't really that large, Hoopa Summoning a large amount of Legends in one go is how I fights. And as we don't know its tactics we normally assume it goes with the best optionm aka summon Creation Trio, as theirs no evidence to contry. Chances don't mean much as every versus ever with a character with no standard tactics know makes it clear we assume they make the smartest in-character move.
I disagree. We only consider it âthe best optionâ because that option specifically is the best for this specific match. Going with anything you want isnât automatically considered âthe bestâ and even then, we have no information to say one way or the other on if he would or wouldnât do that.Then even going on âanything goesâ Hoopa still shouldnât be usable. We donât assume characters without know tactics go for the very best option.
Then see above. Or we get the standards changed to reflect what I said.We have never assumed that, so if he wins only due to specific scenarios then we shouldnât use him.