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Dante vs Hoopa

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Everything12 said:
Now your just reaching, we don't know his first move, but we still have a vague of how he fights from all the media he is in. Portals and Summoning.
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He used a laser multiple times throughout his movie, and with a unknown character there isn’t a reason to say he won’t do it again. Even if he goes for summoning, which pokemon he actually would summon is completely random and a large majority of them get immediately stomped.
 
So either we make it a universal rule to ban characters with no known mindsets from non-bloodlusted matches

Or anything goes mindsets apply and anything can be done.

Has to be one or the other.
 
no one countered the argument that he could stall using portals and since speed is equal, he could easily do that while his army is forming
 
I don't know where you get the idea that we haven't for years accepted threads where we don't assume SpikeyMcHaircut doesn't pull off the right Spell to win and we just accept they win and put it on the profile, but that's what we do when we don't know their tactics.
 
That’s not what I was trying to say (or I’m misreading your comment). What I meant was we assume the characters don’t do the right things and lose despite having abilities that would make them easily win. Like Character A’s tactics are unknown but they can instantly kill character B. Character B is know to stab his opponents. Generally character B would always win because we know he’ll stab character A versus character A being equally as likely to try and punch B as he is to instant kill.
 
Everything12 said:
I don't know where you get the idea that we haven't for years accepted threads where we don't assume SpikeyMcHaircut doesn't pull off the right Spell to win and we just accept they win and put it on the profile, but that's what we do when we don't know their tactics.
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Is it bad I know over a dozen RPG protags that essentially fit that description?
 
if he starts out with summoning and only summoning, then dante still wins, because dante Precogs with TP and murders him, before his creatures can do anything, his precog allows him to sense any & all upcoming threats

also you guys are arguing RPG mechanics over someone who has shown canonical fights, im pretty sure mechanics like that only apply to people who havent been shown to fight on screen, TES protags for example, if he usaually doesnt start with his winning stuff, then he doesnt start with his winning stuff, simple as that
 
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Another thing btw that people should keep in mind is that Hoopas portals can also forcefully suck targets into it.
Sevil Natas said:
if he starts out with summoning and only summoning, then dante still wins, because dante Precogs with TP and murders him, before his creatures can do anything, his precog allows him to sense any & all upcoming threats
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Speed is equalized so no.
 
Regice said:
OK then even if he makes his moves hoopa can just stall him out with the portals while summoning his legendary army
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Analytical Prediction, Precognition, Instinctive Reactions and Danger sense, multitude of other senses he wouldn't be tagged ever.
He is way too skilled here.
Also he has busted Accelerated Development, he increases in speed and power and skill mid combat.

He can amp with DT, with 2X speed increase, he can duplicate himself. He can use Untouchable to make himself completely intangibile here past even attacks of beings who have AE1 NPI and CM1.

There isn't any overwhelming him untill CT come out.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Analytical Prediction, Precognition, Instinctive Reactions and Danger sense, multitude of other senses he wouldn't be tagged ever.
He is way too skilled here.
Also he has busted Accelerated Development, he increases in speed and power and skill mid combat.

He can amp with DT, with 2X speed increase, he can duplicate himself. He can use Untouchable to make himself completely intangibile here past even attacks of beings who have AE1 NPI and CM1.

There isn't any overwhelming him untill CT come out.
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Doing all that would take enough time for the ct to come out, or at least any 2-A like darkrai
 
Regice said:
Doing all that would take enough time for the ct to come out, or at least any 2-A like darkrai
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There's no "doing all that", half the things I mentioned are passive like AD and senses etc.
Rest are thought based.

Its Hoopa who has to save himself from getting skewered.

Also Dante has BFR resistance.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
There's no "doing all that", half the things I mentioned are passive like AD and senses etc.
Rest are thought based.

Its Hoopa who has to save himself from getting skewered.

Also Dante has BFR resistance.
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He can teleport away, teleport Dante away since he has enough skill to pull the ct who have infinite speed, maybe even use attacks or mindhax Dante from far away, then when Dante gets close he just teleports away until the 2-A's come out
 
Also speed is equal, I don't think amping up is an option, so hoopa just teleports away and attacks, don't tell me his attacks won't work because of the concept bullcrap
 
Doesn't this version of hoopa start with attack reflection. Like his show fight with groundon and kyogre?
 
if that guy gets close to dante then he loses, and no one brought up anything that makes these guys able to deal with his Mid-Godly, much less interact with his true self
 
dante can resist his own attacks since has resistance to similar CM1s (not to mention he can dodge them), the creation trio's stuff arent potent enough to affect dante from reading the kratos thread
 
Sevil Natas said:
if that guy gets close to dante then he loses, and no one brought up anything that makes these guys able to deal with his Mid-Godly, much less interact with his true self
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Creation trio: they have cm type 1 and much more power than Dante so they erase him
Darkrai: I assume he puts him to sleep and enters his mind to potentially kill his true self or wait until the ct arrive
 
Regice said:
He can teleport away, teleport Dante away since he has enough skill to pull the ct who have infinite speed, maybe even use attacks or mindhax Dante from far away, then when Dante gets close he just teleports away until the 2-A's come out
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Regice said:
Also speed is equal, I don't think amping up is an option, so hoopa just teleports away and attacks, don't tell me his attacks won't work because of the concept bullcrap
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Speed equal doesn't mean amps can't be used. They are only discouraged when amps become unfair blitzes. Which isn't the case here.

You would need proof that Teleport bypasses BFR resistance of Dante.

Untouchable makes any physical attack bullcrap. That is fact of matter.

Also inverse Hoopa also have infinite speed, so it absolutely isn't a skill feat for him if he summons CT who have infinite speed.
Hell summoning is hax, not skill.
Just because a wall superhuman speed guy can summon a 1A irrelevant speed guy doesn't mean skill lol.
 
Regice said:
Creation trio: have cm type 1 and much more power than Dante so they erase him
Darkrai: I assume he puts him to sleep and enters his mind to potentially kill his true self or wait until the ct arrive
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Dante has layers of CM1 resistance.
4-5 atleast.

Dante resists sleep hax and mind hax.
 
The lake trio also have soul manipulation so they might interact and destroy his soul
 
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guys its important to note, that Conceptual Manipulation in DMC, can affect concepts greater than type 1s and its 4D and its layered
 
Regice said:
The lake trio also have soul manipulation so they might interact and destroy his soul
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Dante resist. He has layered 4D soul resistance....more than his mind hax layers.
Lou_change said:
I think the mind and sleep hax have 7 layers.
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If that was the case than Darkrai would be in Top 5 not Hoopa.
So I don't think so.
Regice said:
I don't know where it says that but I assume the ct have more than enough to kill him
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Look up physiology page.
Even that fails to consider all layers.
So your assumption is irrelevant.
 
Wait what even is mid-godly? Is it regeneration? Dude he isn't overcoming that ap advantage darkrai should easily one-shot
 
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