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they are not, thinking with soul does not mean that their souls are their minds, and if you want it to be that way, make a crt
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Dante vs Hoopa
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But Dante doesn't start in DT right? Then it really isn't a passive
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Doesn't matter demons are abstract in general and hoppa can't do anything to Dante's dt passives
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this is dante in his strongest right? if so he should start in DT
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That's his first move he used it instantly against urizen and Vergil and it takes pretty much no time
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Read Demon physiology page
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i dont really think we need a crt, a demons soul is already accepted to be its true form, their physical form isnt really themselves
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He does against serioua threats.
Especially since he have Alastor Precog here. He knows the threat of Hoopa.
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Dante FRA I guess
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scuse me what? i was not talking about their physical bodies, I was talking about their minds, it does not matter if their soul if their true form, the mind hax would still work, there is no proof that their minds are abstract concepts
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I'm pretty sure Hoopa resists its own Mind hax because of it being related to Psychic Type, so its relation with Dark Type should make it able to resist it. Fear hax shouldn't work tbh, as emphatic hax is treated as a part of the mind/soul in Pokémon verse, which is elementally resisted from Dark type.
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Dante's fear and madness hax are 4d
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yes there is, them talking with nothing but their souls balrog is a prime example of this i believe, maybe berial too, also the demons without names, they should not have anything beyond a soul yet they still have thier minds
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AE applies to all mind,body and soul unless contradicted
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Demons without concepts have souls and minds. They are more abstract.
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Oh yeah Hoopa resists their own mind hax because of the whole Unbound vs Bound Hoopa thing,
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if the 2-A summons cant even kill him, then i guess im voting dante
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If resisting mind hax protects from madness manipulation than Dante's only wincon is if hoppa doesn't summon anyone from creation trio and that's not really a wincon so stomp
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Hoopa also has ressiatnce because of how in the movie neither Hoopa could just Mind Hax the other and fought each other by throwing Legends against the other.
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Either way I'm remaining neutral on this (potentially cursed) MU since there are a few assumptions being made here and I don't want to vote until the facts are laid bare.
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He also has above baseline time stop with BoT.
And Untouchable.
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Wait hold on why is everyone arguing for mind manipulation and creation trio summoning. Hoopa doesn’t open with either of those. He opens with mind manipulation only with his summons (so they actually follow him and don’t immediately attack him) and he definitely didn’t open with the creation trio he summons random legendaries.
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Except that is what he did in the movie?
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I watched the movie recently and I don’t remember him opening with mind manipulation against his opponents. He uses it often but that’s when he has a goal in mind to have them as a summon. Against someone he was fighting he chose to summon random legendaries.
When it comes to the creation trio, he doesn’t open with them. He summons completely random legendaries, so he has at best a 1/30 or so chance to summon a creation trio member and if he summons anything else Dante destroys. Hoopa is a very stationary fighters, so while Dante’s projectiles get portaled away, if Dante gets in close he destorys Hoopa.
When it comes to the creation trio, he doesn’t open with them. He summons completely random legendaries, so he has at best a 1/30 or so chance to summon a creation trio member and if he summons anything else Dante destroys. Hoopa is a very stationary fighters, so while Dante’s projectiles get portaled away, if Dante gets in close he destorys Hoopa.
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hmm if he just fights stationary, doesnt dante just TP and end him?
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I mean time stop after precog is enough.
Then he can do whatever he wants.
Then he can do whatever he wants.
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Hoopa won against Kratos solely because it was said he led with Creation trio
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I saw that on the profile. I’ll rewatch the movie sometime tonight just to make absolute sure he doesn’t open with creation trio (though I know he doesn’t) and then I’ll request that fight to be removed. Because Hoopa doesn’t open with the creation trio. He’ll absolutely use them, but it’s completely random when they come out.
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That needs to be removed then
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But it's only summoning their avatars not the actual thing
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Does his time stop work on characters with infinite speed? (Sorry if this a stupid question, since speed is equalized regardless).
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Ok after rewatching the movie the evil Hoopa actually did summon the creation trio first in one of the fights, but it constantly summons random legendaries throughout the rest of the movie and the good Hoopa (the Hoopa used here) didn’t even attempt to summon them. So whether him summoning the creation trio first that time was a coincidence or not, and whether that would apply to good Hoopa is up to debate. Considering how every other legendary he summons is consistently random, in many other scenes he didn’t open with them, and how that’s not even the Hoopa we are using, I would say him opening with the trio isn’t likely.
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