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Crocodile Revision
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Well we used to had Hancock at three different tiers before the revisions so I don't see the problem with the same thing if we have good ways to measure his power.
He should be High 7-C, Likely 7-A (for matching Doffy), Possibly 6-C (for stopping Sakazuki and surviving Jozu's Brilliant Punk with no much damage).
He should be High 7-C, Likely 7-A (for matching Doffy), Possibly 6-C (for stopping Sakazuki and surviving Jozu's Brilliant Punk with no much damage).
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>He damaged a 6-C
>6-C s non-sense.
What?
>6-C s non-sense.
What?
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When did he showed Busoshoku tho?Rei Rubro said:
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No problem.
Well, his sand phased through Sakazuki's body like it was nothing so the resistance is good enough to be 6-C at the least.
But yeah, you're right about the 6-C thing. I'm not sure if clashing Mihawk is a good reason.
Well, his sand phased through Sakazuki's body like it was nothing so the resistance is good enough to be 6-C at the least.
But yeah, you're right about the 6-C thing. I'm not sure if clashing Mihawk is a good reason.
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That's absorption which he has on his profile.
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If everyone is okay with this I'm going to update his profile to: at least High 7-C (Was shown comparable to Paramount War Saga Luffy), Likely 7-A (Clashed with opponents such as Doflamingo, Mihawk and momentarily stopped Akainu's rampage)
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At least High 7-C is fine. But instead of putting him at a specific likely tier (since going from Doflamingo to Mihawk to Akainu is all kinds of weird), what if we just put him as 'Likely higher'?
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We usually use this for characters with this kind of feats.
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Well, I'm not exactly opposed to putting him as Likely 7-A. Just suggesting another option that feels right.
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It's the same, just giving a correct estimation of his power.
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Okay, I'm going to edit the profile then.
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He should, yes, but there is a calc for Doffy's birdcage that need to be done and depending on the result, the rating may change
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We've been updating some profiles, so I don't see harm for updating Croc's now. The Birdcage discussion may end in months, tbf.
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Why exactly would Croc be High 7-A+?Rei Rubro said:
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He scaling from Doflamingo, so Crocodile should be a "At least High 7-C, possibly High 7-A"
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Crocodile's scaling is so weird. He's able to clash with the likes of Mihawk and Doflamingo, yet a Pre-Timeskip Gear 2 Luffy kick is able to deflect his attack.
I can only assume that Mihawk and Doffy were holding back on him.
I can only assume that Mihawk and Doffy were holding back on him.
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He has more feats above Luffy's level tho. In any case Luffy deflecting his attack would be the outlier, but considering the wide array of options we do use different ratings in one key with the "Likely", "Possibly" or "at least" to let people know that the character's scaling might be one or another.
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To be fair, Luffy did have water on his feet when deflecting Croc.
Plus, Mihawk seemed pretty intent on killing, or at the very least severely harm, Luffy, so I think we could give it to Croc for being able to block such an attack. I mean, even if we say Mihawk was holding back, he cut down the entire tsunami glacier that was larger than the island in height, casually at that.
Plus, Mihawk seemed pretty intent on killing, or at the very least severely harm, Luffy, so I think we could give it to Croc for being able to block such an attack. I mean, even if we say Mihawk was holding back, he cut down the entire tsunami glacier that was larger than the island in height, casually at that.
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... His tier needs to be "Unknown". His showings are far too inconsistent.
Getting shunted aside by a High 7-C, then later tanking a hit from a 7-A to High 7-A, getting low-diffed by a High 7-A, then deflecting a strike from a 6-C, and then contributing to fighting another 6-C... I mean, come on. It's obvious Shounen plot-holes.
Crocodile needs to be placed back at Unknown. There's no reason for this change to have ever been implemented.
Getting shunted aside by a High 7-C, then later tanking a hit from a 7-A to High 7-A, getting low-diffed by a High 7-A, then deflecting a strike from a 6-C, and then contributing to fighting another 6-C... I mean, come on. It's obvious Shounen plot-holes.
Crocodile needs to be placed back at Unknown. There's no reason for this change to have ever been implemented.
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I'm actually in agreement with Cin here; Unknown is the best rating for him.
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Doesn't matter if there's "incorrect" ratings. Whether the top tiers are 7-B or 6-C, he still got thwacked by a High 7-C, then suddenly hurt and took hits from characters dozens to hundreds of times stronger.
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Technically I don't think Crocodile ever hurt anyone important at Marineford. He 'cut Akainu in half' but since Akainu is a Logia I don't think we can count that as true damage.
But he definitely took hits that he shouldn't have during that arc.
But he definitely took hits that he shouldn't have during that arc.
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Of course it matters. There is a difference between "dozens to hundreds". As I said, it is apart of the inconsistency, not the whole.
Duffy>Luffy<=>Croc>Jozu
Akainu is a Logia so I do not think cutting him counts. Mihawk is just one of those characters who is either overhyped or hasn't shown his true power yet.
Duffy>Luffy<=>Croc>Jozu
Akainu is a Logia so I do not think cutting him counts. Mihawk is just one of those characters who is either overhyped or hasn't shown his true power yet.
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??? Croc is not above Jozu if he was in the middle of getting thrashed. And I said nothing about Croc hurting Akainu by cutting him.
And it is a matter of: Luffy knocked Crocodile away easily, Mihawk could easily stomp Luffy, Crocodile deflected Mihawk's slash. And other cases like this.
And it is a matter of: Luffy knocked Crocodile away easily, Mihawk could easily stomp Luffy, Crocodile deflected Mihawk's slash. And other cases like this.
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Recap
Mihawk
Me: Mihawk is just one of those characters who is either overhyped or hasn't shown his true power yet.
You: Mihawk could stomp Luffy . . . Crocodile deflected Mihawk's slash
Akainu
Damage: He 'cut Akainu in half' but since Akainu is a Logia I don't think we can count that as true damage.
Me: Akainu is a Logia so I do not think cutting him counts.
You: And I said nothing about Croc hurting Akainu by cutting him.
Mihawk
Me: Mihawk is just one of those characters who is either overhyped or hasn't shown his true power yet.
You: Mihawk could stomp Luffy . . . Crocodile deflected Mihawk's slash
Akainu
Damage: He 'cut Akainu in half' but since Akainu is a Logia I don't think we can count that as true damage.
Me: Akainu is a Logia so I do not think cutting him counts.
You: And I said nothing about Croc hurting Akainu by cutting him.
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Mihawk being overhyped is irrelevant to what I just said. If we need to downgrade Mihawk to something like "At least 7-A (being above Zoro as of Dressrosa due to being his mentor), Likely 6-C (Stated several times to be the greatest swordsman in the world and being a rival of Shanks)", we can discuss that somewhere else.
Luffy =/> Croc, Mihawk >/>> Luffy, but then Mihawk =/> Croc. And before that. Jozu > Crocodile, Doflamingo > Jozu, but then Doflamingo =/> Crocodile.
Shounen power-scaling at its finest.
And about the Akainu thing, I thought you were directing that statement to me since I mentioned Crocodile "hurt and took hits" from x characters. But then again, we don't see him doing anything of the sort (except Jozu literally vanished into thin air from his Sables to the face, so whatever happened there).
Luffy =/> Croc, Mihawk >/>> Luffy, but then Mihawk =/> Croc. And before that. Jozu > Crocodile, Doflamingo > Jozu, but then Doflamingo =/> Crocodile.
Shounen power-scaling at its finest.
And about the Akainu thing, I thought you were directing that statement to me since I mentioned Crocodile "hurt and took hits" from x characters. But then again, we don't see him doing anything of the sort (except Jozu literally vanished into thin air from his Sables to the face, so whatever happened there).
