Creation, Attack Potency, and Pocket Realities

[Agnaa]

How much energy should be given for pocket reality creation feats.

If we should use GBE (space created between things doesn't matter), omnidirectional explosions (creation energy should equal destruction energy), or common sense/estimations (neither of those previous things have anything to do with actually creating it, so we should estimate instead).

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Agnaa put it better than I could have, thank you.

I perfer the last argument, with the first argument being my second choice.

 

[Omimi]

Keep in mind, for Mass-energy conversion feats; creating the Earth would be Small Star level+ and creating the sun would be 4-B.

creating the Earth would be Small Star level+

is this true

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'm fine with doing a vote between the three sides Agnaa presented, to be honest.

 

[Andytrenom]

I really don't think this should be settled with a vote. That would only be a good option if the thing we were trying to decide was heavily subjective.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I really don't think this should be settled with a vote. That would only be a good option if the thing we were trying to decide was heavily subjective.

To be fair, as we're defining something that doesn't follow the laws of physics, it's pretty subjective.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It should be done as it currently is, through reasonable estimation and not hard calculations. It's not 100% quantifiable.

 

[TriforcePower1]

If we want to correlate the creation of a pocket dimension to something that happened in Real Life, then the Big Bang is the only thing we can use. Everything else is completely arbitrary and this is the only event that actually created "space", so we pretty much have to stick with it.

Obvious question arises: how do we consider this kind of feats? I'll let others decide, but my opinion is that we still should use the explosion formula. The Big Bang, despite being a very, very "particular" (okay, particular doesn't even start to describe this phenomenon) event, it's still somewhat of an explosion. I honestly don't think we can even calculate it in any other way, honestly.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Tri It's not an actual explosion tho.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Using the Big Bang as a basis would be just as arbitrary for 90% of such feats, even if you bother to consider the fast expansion of matter to be an explosion.

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Andy

I know, but how else are we supposed to calculate something like that? We already use the explosion formula for universal Big Bangs, after all.

@Ricsi

GBE doesn't make you create pocket dimensions. Explosions don't let you create pocket dimensions. But "mini" Big Bangs do. That's not something chosen arbitrarily, it's the thing that fits better our case.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

A big bang happening again would no make a pocket dimension, and I cannot remember even one verse that actually created it through expanding matter conforming into that stuff.

Like, it's much more often simply made out of pure energy, or it simply appears.


Trying to put a number on something like this is simply unreasonable.

 

[Andytrenom]

Didn't Kep say that a Big Bang isn't actually calcable? If so I don't see why it matters whether it was created from a mini big bang or not.

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Ricsi

Different visuals don't invalidate the event, and this is technically the only way to do it.

"Trying to put a number on something like this is simply unreasonable."

Just like putting numbers to FTL objects, GBE for creation feats and so on.

@Andy

Yes, but by our standards it's 3-A via the explosion formula. If we used GBE or other stuff to calculate pocket dimensions and then applied to our universe, the Big Bang would only be Tier 4. I think I'm not the only one who sees problems with a Tier 4 Big Bang. Technically it wouldn't have any energy because energy itself probably didn't even exist yet, but still

 

[AguilaR101]

The big bang isn't even measurable, and our universal explosion calc vastly dwarves the mass-energy of the observable universe for 3-A to be even remotely justified.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

About to reach the thread limit.

Thread is continued here:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2754891