Mard doesn’t actually know what he is talking about and is just blowing hot air out his ass. Not even lying necessarily, he just doesn’t know what he is talking about. But yes Zeref made Curse Power. Randomly making shit that affects entire species or the setting is his thing lmfao.
While magic power is in part tied to stats, they aren’t one and the same. The thing that affects stats or how much magic power you have is the size of the transformation such as Charle turning from a 1 ft cat into a catgirl boosts her magic power or dragons being weaker in their human forms. Swapping forms doesn’t affect their biology though which is where they derive the resistance from. Resistances and such also aren’t based on magic power since Natsu was empty on magic and still managed to eat God Flames which explicitly bypass his resistance to fire, all without getting burned.
Yeah, i'm aware that swapping form doesn't affect their innate biology however, Merphobia stated that he has has become a normal human now. And I don't think a normal human would have the stats comparable to a dragon god in human form.
From what's been shown, I think it does mean resistances are based on magical power, but even at that resistance and durability aren't necessarily the same, since durability and strength are directly related while resistances such as temperature and such forth are not. Regardless, Markarov refers to what Natsu did as magic that doesn't just empty his magic, but it uses that magical power he's expending, to turn himself into a vessel that is suitable for consuming inedible flames. So magic is still expended to modify himself into a vessel for an enemies flames which means his magic also gave him the necessary durability and resistance.
He is a “normal human” because he has no magic. He needs magic to turn into a dragon aka be a dragon god.
I’d like to introduce you to the FT guild lol
Right so pretty much all of this is irrelevant.
Again resistances don't correlate to durability.
Currently the site has it has it as type 3
1. Because Lisanna is using a Take-Over which is expending magic. Who would’ve thought? A form that expends more magic to amp your stats and give other abilities costs magic energy to sustain. What revolutionary idea.
It’s pointing out that you are spouting things that are irrelevant, duh?
Go reread the scan you linked, Makarov never calls it magic. The only things he refers to as magic is Natsu’s magical energy, Zancrow’s magical energy and Zancrow’s flames.
Maybe go reread what I posted and you might realise that I never said or implied they are correlated. That’s what you’re doing. What I said is that resistances can be granted by magic but that it explicitly is not dependent on magic.
I stg you aren’t actually reading what I posted. When and where did I say magic power doesn’t impact a dragon’s dura?
… more strawmans? Is this all you got?
Ah, thanks. SBT is type 2 and infinite in quantity so it reverts everything that happens since I doubt anti magic can affect it asked on your statement that there is no feats of such. FT uses alchemy to just steal BC’s abilities making this FT+BC vs BC.
No, Markorarov said "that level of magic" as in its complexity not "attribute" Markarov he was referring to the process.
Read my argument again. You're arguing that using magic to turn him human, then running out afterwards, is only reason he's human. My argument however, is that human nerf would have happened regardless considering dragons can still keep their magical power after death and are still dragons. Which would make sense considering we've seen dragon scales defend against black magic. So losing all of his magic power for good would indeed be the root cause, it wouldn't even matter if he used transformation magic.
As long as it's powered by magical power, it could still be negated. Infinite quantity doesn't necessarily mean endless output considering he prevents it from being fully casted. Lilith and Namaah's magical power was referred to as "bottomless/endless" They never even displayed exhaustion/fatigue from expending so much power, however, their output of MP couldn't measure to Asta's output. Their power didn't have a time limit, Asta's at the point DID have one. The twins had access to massive reserves, while Asta's supply only last for 5 minutes, but those 5 minutes of his (back when he had the DU timer 5 minute limit) produces an output is far superior to theirs.
Um nah, Conrad could could just steal their abilities with his key magic, or Lucius could just one tap them with his soul magic.
Good Lord you are not listening to me. The form one uses affects how much magic can be used by the person in question. Ergo, a form that makes you stronger uses more magic and a form that makes you weaker uses less magic than you normally expend. And when I say expend, I’m not referring to actual spells and attacks, I’m talking about just existing. It’s why when Erza one shot Dragon Irene’s ass and severely weakened her, Irene (a biological dragon) fell out of her dragon form and reverted to her human form and why Dragon Selene (a biological dragon for her entire existence) getting offguarded and beat by Dragon Ignia reverted her to her human form. They may be called transformations but they aren’t “Transformation Magic” in the traditional sense as it changes what their outward appearance actually is.
Great so she took his ability to use magic, the thing that enhances his stats, whoopdie doo for you when that’s been my point. He has no access to magic so he is now stuck as a “human”.
“That level of magic” is referring to Zancrow’s God Flames, not Natsu turning himself into a vessel.
Because Speedster is the one who initially started this line of conversation by mentioning Acno’s immunity to magic aka his resistance. I brought up Natsu as part of my lengthy but clearly wasted attempts to explain why resistances do not correlate with magic power and the stats gained from such as the two are clearly different, something you obviously didn’t realised when you conflated the source of the two in your post responding to Speed talking about resistances.
You actually have no clue what is happening, do you? I’m not talking about heat resistance, I’m talking about the resistances dragons gain by default from their biology. You are the only one trying to talk about stats in a stats equal fight in response to a post about magic resistance.
I direct you to the above comment where you responded to Speedster who said “Acno’s magic immunity is built in, not magic related”. No one was talking about durability and stats not being magic related but the resistance itself. Hence why I brought up the fact that it is part of their biology and isn’t dependent on having magic since even when a dragon changes form, their biology remains the same and even pointed out Natsu expending all of his magic and still retaining fire resistance in half of his fights where he is empty and needs to eat flames to even move. I was explaining the distinction between the two for you when you implied they were both dependent on magic.
… is there something wrong with my English? Am I just miscommunicatng to an unfathomable degree? Cuz I feel like I’m being very blatant in my statements.
I guess you just ignored that it’s a type 2 concept. Anti-magic ain’t doing anything to type 2 conceptual time magic without feats, a thing it doesn’t have seeing as, by your own word, BC’s uses of magic is only type 3 at most.
FT doesn’t need souls because dragon shenanigans and time shenanigans and Wraith shenanigans. Also steal abilities how? I’m doubtful that BC has feats of stealing Alchemy, Curses or Spirior which are all separate energy systems that are explicitly unaffected by things that work on the others.
Bruh, did you read the scan? Because it was clearly stated the power of restriction was taken from him NOT the use of his magic He still had access to the power that enhances his stats. He started losing control of his powers so then Karameel thought perhaps getting rid of his powers would be better. So she sought out the white witch to take away Mercphobia's powers, but she trolled them and only took away his ability to restrain his powers which made them even go berserk, you're acting as if he was unable to use magic which 100% isn't the case.
Eating the flames is part of the magic they have access too, and again i'm not even sure why this is even relevant.
What do you mean FT doesn't need souls? The dragon soul technique seals their body and magic power into the dragon slayers to grant them immunity. And curses were still derived from One magic. Curses also exist in black clover, and guess what? they're not considered magic because they're also powered by curse power but magic can also affect curses. Also Asta was able to neg the curse power as well which makes sense considering it's also been stated anti-energy dwells within the swords. Also devil power is a separate energy that's been stated to contain malice, and Lucius creates paladins by purifying devil power into sacred power Here in the Japanese raws it was specifically stated that Asta sliced the paladin power (sacred power) thus reverting the yoryoku/magical power to normal so he nullified a different energy, which makes sense in hindsight considering in the guidebook it was stated anti-energy flows through to the swords (meaning anti-magical power is created from anti-energy) and no, this wasn't a English translation error because the the Japanese raw itself use the term 「反エネルギー Anchi enerugī」 So at the minimum anti-magic Asta has negged two separate energies to date. From what I understand, curses are fueled by negative emotions, devil power also contains malice so I don't see curses be an issue either.
Pretty sure the stealing magic bit came from Athena since she uses white out which is still magic, unless I missed a scan or something. Other alchemist can affect power, but only Athena's stolen magi due to white out. Which shouldn't really matter considering, knocking out the alchemist undoes the effect + white out is still magic and there are various forms of magic nullification in BC, just not anti-magic, spatial mana domination, anti-magic, black moon, Sevkin's skin magic Jack's magic all of these are various forms of magic nullification. Also it was recently revealed Athena is a magical life form, so she has a soul that can be manipulated by Lucius.
They still hard part of their souls, they were still weakened. The dragon soul technique requires them to seal their souls + magic power body in the slayers lol wtf? if they had no souls as you suggested they never would have used the dragon soul technique. And as I stated that time reversal is never happening. Also Julius/Lucius literally ages most of the cast into dust. The combos are endless.
Wasn't that done through whiteout? what chapter? need a little refresher
That doesn't mean absolute zero bruh. Invel's not even an absolute zero user per site standards not to mention he's not even on this list so no, no body in fairy tail has resistance to this, and Zeref most definitely doesn't have access to it.
Yeah, any precog in FT isn't working on BC. Bro couldn't even uses SBT because Natsu knocked the magic out of him, same thing happens again. BC has already has the reaction advantage due to precog and techniques such as zetten. There's like endless ways to nerf Zeref,
Yeah that's the thing. Comp FT gives no ***** about Asta's Anti-Magic because they resist Bane Particles which destroy magic
They're literally not. They destroy the very Ethernano around them. In BC terms, they don't just destroy magic, they destroy the mana that exists everywhere
Doesn't matter and can also be turned against comp BC because Wolfen can replicate it
These are all just different forms of magic, let's not act like they're completely separate energies
Does he ignore death manipulation that kills immortal people?
Wolfen's whole gimmick is that he reads people's minds and turns into who the opponent believes to be the strongest person they can think of. Oh yeah, and there's multiple of him.
It's not a different form of magic. Easiest proof of this is in the fact that Etherious, who use Curses and not Magic, are completely unaffected by Bane Particles
Curses. Are. Not. Magic.
Comp FT has layered absorption resistance
That's wrong, forms of magic are very different in BC. Forms of magic in BC are things like reinforcement magic, seal magic, transformation magic, recovery magic and curse magic. Curse magic uses magic power, non-magical curse don't. And curses aren't magic, but they can be fueled by magical power as well or even curse power. Curses are a phenomena that can be fueled by magic (like fire, water ect) And no devil power=/= magic. It's a separate energy that even the wiki acknowledges as something different For example mages cannot directly sense or quantify anti-magical power and that was elf Luck who has great mana sensing (lol of course he couldn't sense anti-magic) However, both Noelle and Damnatio could sense and detect Asta's devil power. Noelle literally say "this doesn't feel like magical power" and to be clear, the kanji used in the raws said maryoku 魔力 which is magical power. So Asta has in fact nullified 3 separate energies in BC.
Stats are equal
