Good Lord you are not listening to me. The form one uses affects how much magic can be used by the person in question. Ergo, a form that makes you stronger uses more magic and a form that makes you weaker uses less magic than you normally expend. And when I say expend, I’m not referring to actual spells and attacks, I’m talking about just existing.
Um, this didn't happen to any of the other dragons when they died. Only those that could revert to human form. Not to mention Irenen was originally human.
It’s why when Erza one shot Dragon Irene’s ass and severely weakened her, Irene (a biological dragon) fell out of her dragon form and reverted to her human form and why Dragon Selene (a biological dragon for her entire existence) getting offguarded and beat by Dragon Ignia reverted her to her human form. They may be called transformations but they aren’t “Transformation Magic” in the traditional sense as it changes what their outward appearance actually is.
Which supports my point that when a dragon that get rids of their magic power permanently, they will revert to their human form
Great so she took his ability to use magic, the thing that enhances his stats, whoopdie doo for you when that’s been my point. He has no access to magic so he is now stuck as a “human”.
Bruh, did you read the scan? Because
it was clearly stated the power of restriction was taken from him NOT the use of his magic He still had access to the power that enhances his stats. He started losing control of his powers so then Karameel thought perhaps getting rid of his powers would be better. So she sought out the white witch to take away Mercphobia's powers, but she trolled them and only took away his ability to restrain his powers which made them even go berserk,
you're acting as if he was unable to use magic which 100% isn't the case.
“That level of magic” is referring to Zancrow’s God Flames, not Natsu turning himself into a vessel.
Natsu: Some flames have a trick to eating them
Makarov: A trick …?! That level of magic requires more than a trick …!!!
The statement is not the same explanation as his last where he says Natsu used up all of his magic to become a suitable vessel, it’s in blatant reference to Natsu claiming him eating the magic was a trick.
Eating the flames is part of the magic they have access too, and again i'm not even sure why this is even relevant.
Because Speedster is the one who initially started this line of conversation by mentioning Acno’s immunity to magic aka his resistance. I brought up Natsu as part of my lengthy but clearly wasted attempts to explain why resistances do not correlate with magic power and the stats gained from such as the two are clearly different, something you obviously didn’t realised when you conflated the source of the two in your post responding to Speed talking about resistances.
Sure, so we can focus on the durability then.
You actually have no clue what is happening, do you? I’m not talking about heat resistance, I’m talking about the resistances dragons gain by default from their biology. You are the only one trying to talk about stats in a stats equal fight in response to a post about magic resistance.
Like I said we can focus on durability then since you clarified your stance, I don't want to waste time on things not relevant to the discussion.
I direct you to the above comment where you responded to Speedster who said “Acno’s magic immunity is built in, not magic related”. No one was talking about durability and stats not being magic related but the resistance itself. Hence why I brought up the fact that it is part of their biology and isn’t dependent on having magic since even when a dragon changes form, their biology remains the same and even pointed out Natsu expending all of his magic and still retaining fire resistance in half of his fights where he is empty and needs to eat flames to even move. I was explaining the distinction between the two for you when you implied they were both dependent on magic.
No one was talking about stats considering it’s stats equal until you conflated durability and resistance.
Sure
… is there something wrong with my English? Am I just miscommunicatng to an unfathomable degree? Cuz I feel like I’m being very blatant in my statements.
sigh … I’m agreeing with you. What part of that do you not understand? I’ve already agreed that stats and magic power are correlated, stop bring it up when it doesn’t ******* matter. What I’m trying and failing to do is clear up any possible misunderstandings someone might get from your implication of dragon resistances being dependent on magic power but you keep insisting on fighting me over the semantics of stats of all things. When I’ve already agreed with you multiple times.
Long as we agree that magical power does correlate to stats, then cool. So that means nullifying their magical power would also affect their durability, glad we agree. Because
5 horn Asta completely shuts off the magical power of anything he touches.
I guess you just ignored that it’s a type 2 concept. Anti-magic ain’t doing anything to type 2 conceptual time magic without feats, a thing it doesn’t have seeing as, by your own word, BC’s uses of magic is only type 3 at most.
Type 3 was for Lillith and Namaah. Also, i'm pretty sure rouge Vanessa's cat Rogue counters that since it can manipulate fate and
literally reverse events considering the witch queen can see the realities where the unfavorable fate happened.
FT doesn’t need souls because dragon shenanigans and time shenanigans and Wraith shenanigans. Also steal abilities how? I’m doubtful that BC has feats of stealing Alchemy, Curses or Spirior which are all separate energy systems that are explicitly unaffected by things that work on the others.
What do you mean FT doesn't need souls? The dragon soul technique seals their body and magic power into the dragon slayers to grant them immunity. And curses were still derived from One magic. Curses also exist in black clover, and guess what?
they're not considered magic because
they're also powered by curse power but magic can also affect curses. Also
Asta was able to neg the curse power as well which makes sense considering it's also been stated anti-energy dwells within the swords.
Also devil power is a separate energy that's been
stated to contain malice, and Lucius creates paladins by
purifying devil power into sacred power Here in the Japanese raws it was specifically stated that Asta
sliced the paladin power (sacred power) thus reverting the yoryoku/magical power to normal so he nullified a different energy, which makes sense in hindsight considering in the guidebook it was stated
anti-energy flows through to the swords (
meaning anti-magical power is created from anti-energy) and no, this wasn't a English translation error because the
the Japanese raw itself use the term 「反エネルギー Anchi enerugī」 So at the minimum anti-magic Asta has negged two separate energies to date. From what I understand, curses are fueled by negative emotions, devil power also contains malice so I don't see curses be an issue either.
Alchemy steals BC’s powers and Neo-Eclipse resets the timeline GG
Pretty sure the stealing magic bit came from Athena since she uses white out which is still magic, unless I missed a scan or something. Other alchemist can affect power, but only Athena's stolen magi due to white out. Which shouldn't really matter considering, knocking out the alchemist undoes the effect + white out is still magic and there are various forms of magic nullification in BC, just not anti-magic, spatial mana domination, anti-magic, black moon, Sevkin's skin magic Jack's magic all of these are various forms of magic nullification. Also it was recently revealed Athena is a magical life form, so she has a soul that can be manipulated by Lucius.
Lucius can create multiple clones that wield time, gravity and soul magic.
what's stopping them from getting dogpiled by these hax one-tap clones? Those clones can literally one tap you with a touch due to a soul magic which would pretty much add more Allies to BC's side.
Let's not forget Gauche can also create various clones of everyone else
including Asta. Better yet the number games becomes is even more ridiculous considering
Princia Funnybunny's legion magic which can create thousands of magic soldiers. Not to mention
we have a character who's mana zone lowers the temperature of space to absolute zero That Gauche can also clone with his mirror magic. Dimension slash bypasses durability, as as well as offensive spatial magic which literally shaves space away any of these could easily be multiplied by Guache's mirror magic many times over, and let's not even mention on Dorothy's glamour world considering Dorothy can generate clones in there as well. Again, the numbers aren't in FT's favor especially with equalized stats especially with
the amount of spells that bypass durability in BC. As Charla states
Her spell had a greater magnitude of magical power, yet Yami's attack was still able to split hers in half And not to mention mana zone would be a massive plus on BC's side considering ethernano is damn near the same as mana, and mana zone uses manipulate external mana. The difference is mages in BC can generate their magical power eternally without absorbing external mana. In fairy tail mages can't use magical power if they can't absorb the ambient ethernano around them, meaning they can't use magical power iirc. Hell Yuno's neverland nerfs magical power, and
Zenon's spatial mana domination seizes control of the mana around him, and spatial mana domination can only be countered if
1) you have an equal or greater amount of magical power than zenon 2) be loved by mana or 3) be a spatial mage that mastered mana zone That combo would literally render the mages useless. Like I said BC's hax + numbers will absolutely overwhelm fairy tail.
Also considering Asta's resistance to precog also influences those around him?
We have various members in BC that precog and actively use it during battle.
Asta is immune to foresight and that immunity also extends
to those that Asta influenced which is pretty much his whole verse. That absolutely gives the reaction advantage the he BC verse because they can predict the next move of their opponent, while the enemy can't.
Neo eclipse definitely won't happen due to Vanessa's fate manipulation + Charmy conbo which gives her access to a nearly inexhaustible supply of magical power. Also Henry and Gordon could actively siphon the magic power of the enemy to amp themselves, while Vanessa's fate manipulation protects them and continues to be replenished by Charmy's reserves. BC has some pretty ridiculous combos.
Also Konrad could also steal non-magical things/physical tools that's how he was able to store the imperial sword in there (
it's an object that can use magical power but it is not made of magical power) so he can store magic + other things in his key space.
