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Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon correction

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Chariot190 said:
Reminder that the Orochi continent slice is "shaving" too
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Not really, it’s slicing and bouncing
shaving it implies taking it clean off

but also there’s the fact that Boros stated it would wipe the surface out, which just confirms that it’s not going to be a situation where the continents just fall back down
 
Okay... I'm going to put my vote into just removing the calc.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Not really, it’s slicing and bouncing
shaving it implies taking it clean off

but also there’s the fact that Boros stated it would wipe the surface out, which just confirms that it’s not going to be a situation where the continents just fall back down
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Nah man, it's shaving, by definition. That's my point, shaving doesn't mean all these extra bits you're adding to it, plus you know just a big ass explosion could wipe out the surface right?
"cut (a thin slice or slices) from the surface of something." - the definition.

All shaving means is that the thing gets cut off, and notably, it specifically means a thin amount. Shaving the surface of the world could be as simple as what orochi did on a planetary scale, or just fragging it even, or even a big ass explosion that shreds the surface thinning it down some, as long as the surface detaches from the main mass, however it happens, it'd still qualify.
 
Chariot190 said:
Nah man, it's shaving, by definition. That's my point, shaving doesn't mean all these extra bits you're adding to it, plus you know just a big ass explosion could wipe out the surface right?
"cut (a thin slice or slices) from the surface of something." - the definition.

All shaving means is that the thing gets cut off, and notably, it specifically means a thin amount. Shaving the surface of the world could be as simple as what orochi did on a planetary scale, or just fragging it even, or even a big ass explosion that shreds the surface thinning it down some, as long as the surface detaches from the main mass, however it happens, it'd still qualify.
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Maybe that’s what shaving and wiping out mean individually, but csrc would do all of them
“A roar of despair to shave“
“a desperate attack to destroy”
“will wipe out the planet’s surface”

if you are wiping out, shaving, and destroying something all at once, then I’d say it’s pretty bonkers of an interpretation that after the csrc, there would still be everything left there back on the planet in any capacity.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Maybe that’s what shaving and wiping out mean individually, but csrc would do all of them
“A roar of despair to shave“
“a desperate attack to destroy”
“will wipe out the planet’s surface”

if you are wiping out, shaving, and destroying something all at once, then I’d say it’s pretty bonkers of an interpretation that after the csrc, there would still be everything left there back on the planet in any capacity.
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You could do basic bitch frag and do all that at once lad 🗿
Nobody is saying the planet would be fine, it'd be ******, you're just taking the extreme high-ends when there's unironically a dozen solid other interpretations and methods that would qualify for what was said about it.
ZillertheBucko said:
an instance of complete destruction.
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Damn, guess we better use atomization then right?
Wipe-out just means that shit's ******, if you take it to mean complete utter destruction, then shaving wouldn't work because the fragments would have been destroyed so they wouldn't have even been able to get ejected. See the issue with you taking it to mean total destruction of the surface?

We could do this all day, I'm straight up telling you shave doesn't entail what you think it does at face value, if we had more context it definitely could, but the other context is "destroy" and "wipe out the surface", both of which tells us ultimately nothing beyond "yo that shit's ******".
 
Chariot190 said:
You could do basic bitch frag and do all that at once lad 🗿
Nobody is saying the planet would be fine, it'd be ******, you're just taking the extreme high-ends when there's unironically a dozen solid other interpretations and methods that would qualify for what was said about it.

Damn, guess we better use atomization then right?
Wipe-out just means that shit's ******, if you take it to mean complete utter destruction, then shaving wouldn't work because the fragments would have been destroyed so they wouldn't have even been able to get ejected. See the issue with you taking it to mean total destruction of the surface?

We could do this all day, I'm straight up telling you shave doesn't entail what you think it does at face value, if we had more context it definitely could, but the other context is "destroy" and "wipe out the surface", both of which tells us ultimately nothing beyond "yo that shit's ******".
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Use atomization [pal]
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Anyways I give up, unless we’re getting 5-B I don’t wanna see another csrc value
let’s just do far higher and say that it should be greater than his strongest attacks combined, and should be able to wipe out characters capable of blowing his meteoric burst to bits as the scaling chain on it.
 
This is the problem with trying to go solely for upgrades instead of what's reasonable. I like big funny number as much as the next lad (I had a shower thought yesterday that might upgrade a dude I'm cooking to 4-B ffs), but I'd rather my big funny number be solid and completely reasonable instead of being mostly guesswork or extreme grasping, like better for the upgrade to be more objective then subjective if possible right?
Trying to aim for 5-B (on an attack that doesn't destroy the planet anyway) instead of just aiming for what's fair do be kinda sussy baka behavior.
If it's any consolation I thought the melting end was fair given his attacks do have melting behind them, but in your anger, you killed it.
 
unquantifiably much higher is still better than just being 2x higher... This calculation although fun to calculate, has always been something impossible to calculate
 
KingTempest said:
In the attempt to upgrade this, they possibly downgraded it

Change it to pulv
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I was never a fan of how this went from a basic surface busting calc by Therefir to melting the entire crust + oceans + whatever. Smells like massive wank.

Go back to surface busting, it's safer. We never saw the feat, it never happened. People are basing this because other attacks does this so this one would do too.
 
Boros said he's wipe out the surface of the planet. We have a calc that find the yield of that.

Seems simple enough.
 
Did she say the end result of her attack other than destroying the surface? No.

There are a thousand and one ways to calculate a surface clear without knowing the exact details of the attack's effect.
 
EnderLord8 said:
Did she say the end result of her attack other than destroying the surface? No.
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You don't need this statement to know what's going to happen. It's kinda obvious that the surface would've been destroyed. I don't know why you brought such a headcanon like this.
 
Really, we can stick with Migue's calc or we go with the standard surface wipe calc on the Common Feats page.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
You don't need this statement to know what's going to happen. It's kinda obvious that the surface would've been destroyed. I don't know why you brought such a headcanon like this.
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Well indeed the surface would be destroyed, but in what way would it be destroyed?

We don't need a calculation, the statement is enough, we just know that at least the attack is High 6-A.

There are many methods to do this calculation, the surface blasting calculation is just one of them and we have no evidence that the calculation would apply as well.
 
We have some visual evidence of melting, a statement that implies pulverizing, vaporizing, but could also be interpreted as being released from the surface into space...
 
Like chariot said, wiping out can mean many things, but by definition it is complete destruction
deriving fragmentation from it would just be incomplete destruction and technically wrong. If we’re arguing the pure connotations of it, then escape velocity shaving would would have already been accepted
either way if it’s not going to be an upgrade then the calculation might as well be ditched entirely and replaced with a far higher
 
But in the end we don't know what would happen, we can only guess and my friend... Blowing the surface is also a guess.
 
Wait I just noticed a minor wording thing
it doesn’t just say shave, it says shave off
Not that it really matters at this point but, that’s still a thing that might get rid of the possibility of it being like the continent slice where it just falls back on
 
ZillertheBucko said:
so there’s no chance of a downgrade here
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This aged incredibly poorly lol

In any case, I don’t care about which calc to go with personally (my melting calc or explosion calc or no calc at all). I did my calc mainly ‘cause KLOL requested it. That, and… I’m tired of seeing so many calcs for Boros’ CSRC.

We should have a discussion rule against Boros’ CSRC revisions & re-calculations tbh
 
Calculations are not necessary, it is better to use "higher with CSRC", under these circumstances it is much more accurate than any calculation.
 
Migue79 said:
We should have a discussion rule against Boros’ CSRC revisions & re-calculations tbh
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Discussion rules only are justified for when something has been debunked repeatedly and has no new arguments to be brought up
something like this that has changed multiple times is a horrible place to put a discussion rule. Discussion rules should only be used to prevent repetition, not meaningful back and forth.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
deriving fragmentation from it would just be incomplete destruction and technically wrong. If we’re arguing the pure connotations of it, then escape velocity shaving would would have already been accepted
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Complete destruction just means it covers the whole of it (as in the whole surface), not that everything was obliterated down to the smallest scrap.
If that was the case, there wouldn't even be anything to shave off by your definition of shave because what would've been shaved was annihilated.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, you're once again arguing that at best it'd be pulv due to no noticeable debris, except when you take shave into account with that context, you'd also be indirectly arguing just a thin layer of the planet was pulved as shave by definition denotes a thin slice or slices.

You're basically arguing an unquantifiable yet thin layer of the planet was pulverized, which is going to be quite the downgrade.
Stop cooking please, you're your own worst enemy.
 
Chariot190 said:
Complete destruction just means it covers the whole of it (as in the whole surface), not that everything was obliterated down to the smallest scrap.
If that was the case, there wouldn't even be anything to shave off by your definition of shave because what would've been shaved was annihilated.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, you're once again arguing that at best it'd be pulv would due to no noticeable debris, except when you take shave into account with that context, you'd also be indirectly arguing just a thin layer of the planet was pulved as shave by definition denotes a thin slice or slices.

You're basically arguing an unquantifiable yet thin layer of the planet was pulverized, which is going to be quite the downgrade.
Stop cooking please, you're your own worst enemy.
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Still not a downgrade, because 11.68 exatons was useless
Complete destruction also has multiple meanings I guess, since otherwise slicing something completely into quarters would be considered complete destruction by that definition
also if we’re just gonna say that the surface is unquantifiable in size and not use the crust, then we might as well just not use any method because it could be between instsntly vaporizing the entire crust and just slightly fragmenting the tips of the grass
**** csrc we can just not calculate it at all
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Still not a downgrade, because 11.68 exatons was useless
Complete destruction also has multiple meanings I guess, since otherwise slicing something completely into quarters would be considered complete destruction by that definition
also if we’re just gonna say that the surface is unquantifiable in size and not use the crust, then we might as well just not use any method because it could be between instsntly vaporizing the entire crust and just slightly fragmenting the tips of the grass
**** csrc we can just not calculate it at all
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I just audibly sighed irl.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Still not a downgrade, because 11.68 exatons was useless
Complete destruction also has multiple meanings I guess, since otherwise slicing something completely into quarters would be considered complete destruction by that definition
also if we’re just gonna say that the surface is unquantifiable in size and not use the crust, then we might as well just not use any method because it could be between instsntly vaporizing the entire crust and just slightly fragmenting the tips of the grass
**** csrc we can just not calculate it at all
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Whatever, this discussion of which method is better is pointless right now... Just leave that aside and move on to the more consistent "Higher with CSRC"...
 
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