Classroom Of The Elite revamp - White Room Edition + Accepted calcs and scaling

[RoggerReggor]

That's based on your own assumption without any evidence to back it up.

That literally isn't an assumption, we see a very fast background change happening entirely, there's no way we were seeing around the bottom of a tree and then the middle if Kouenji didn't stand up. At first, you tried to blame me of human assumptions about the timeframe when I said it humanly doesn't look more than a second long and now this. It genuinely seems like you don't have the eye to see at least around the corner values regarding things.

Moving your back doesn't mean you let gravity take control, I still favour frame 942/943.

By the frame 937, the boar has already disappeared and the camera angle fixed on Kouenji's neck also twists a little and in just 2 frames (about 83 milliseconds which is literally very short), we see that the boar is falling vertically downwards on his back (much like that motion had begun already). Give me one good reason why 942/943 makes more sense to you, aside from the result seeming subjectively inflated to you.

 

[Vzearr]

That literally isn't an assumption, we see a very fast background change happening entirely, there's no way we were seeing around the bottom of a tree and then the middle if Kouenji didn't stand up. At first, you tried to blame me of human assumptions about the timeframe when I said it humanly doesn't look more than a second long and now this. It genuinely seems like you don't have the eye to see at least around the corner values regarding things.

Assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
Do you have any proof other then your estimate that makes no sense (as if it did make sense then Koenji would be standing almost a meter off the floor)? No. So it's an assumption.

By the frame 937, the boar has already disappeared and the camera angle fixed on Kouenji's neck also twists a little and in just 2 frames (about 83 milliseconds which is literally very short), we see that the boar is falling vertically downwards on his back (much like that motion had begun already). Give me one good reason why 942/943 makes more sense to you, aside from the result seeming subjectively inflated to you.

The boar disappearing doesn't mean its above his head... We see his arm position change after frame 941 to help the boar land on his back, it just makes so much more sense.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
Do you have any proof other then your estimate that makes no sense (as if it did make sense then Koenji would be standing almost a meter off the floor)? No. So it's an assumption.

Enough proof. I don't think you actually went through the video to watch my points, did you?

The boar disappearing doesn't mean its above his head... We see his arm position change after frame 941 to help the boar land on his back, it just makes so much more sense.

His hand was fully extended in the entire feat, much like the 150-degree motion which I proposed was already done, from 937 to 941, there's about a 180 movement and it is basically the boar falling upon his shoulders then.

 

[Vzearr]

Enough proof. I don't think you actually went through the video to watch my points, did you?

if it did make sense then Koenji would be standing almost a meter off the floor

His hand was fully extended in the entire feat, much like the 150-degree motion which I proposed was already done, from 937 to 941, there's about a 180 movement and it is basically the boar falling upon his shoulders then.

Not sure about his arm being fully extended the entire feat. What I do know is that isn't 180 degrees, 150 degrees is pretty fair.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Not sure about his arm being fully extended the entire feat. What I do know is that isn't 180 degrees, 150 degrees is pretty fair.

Well, we do see his arms completely upwards and then him swinging only his upper arm when the boar lands on his shoulders, so I don't see any other possibilities lol.

 

[Clout5560]

Yoo. Just asking since I came back for a bit. Think of me as an unc.

Why is 13.2 KJ worth wall level?

 

[RoggerReggor]

Yoo. Just asking since I came back for a bit. Think of me as an unc.

Why is 13.2 KJ worth wall level?

It isn't. 13.2 kJ however is way close to wall level, and Kouenji performed the feat effortlessly, so the OP proposes that they can have a "likely Wall level" rating, another proposal is of outright wall level, though I also think that "likely" is way better.

Anyways, good to see you back fr.

 

[Clout5560]

It isn't. 13.2 kJ however is way close to wall level, and Kouenji performed the feat effortlessly, so the OP proposes that they can have a "likely Wall level" rating, another proposal is of outright wall level, though I also think that "likely" is way better.

Anyways, good to see you back fr.

Oh yea that’s fine. High key don’t even see why they removed it. I know Uruma went down so that’s wtv tbh. However I’ll come back in here to give my opinion from time to time.

Koji & Koenji both having likely wall level is good.

What happened to the Koenji falling down the mountain feat? Y’all ever scale that?

 

[Vzearr]

Although I disagree with the feat, if it goes through I agree with "Likely Wall level". I'm actually fine with Ayanokouji being "Likely Wall level" without the calc but the justifications are something I need to go through thoroughly.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Oh yea that’s fine. High key don’t even see why they removed it. I know Uruma went down so that’s wtv tbh. However I’ll come back in here to give my opinion from time to time.

Koji & Koenji both having likely wall level is good.

What happened to the Koenji falling down the mountain feat? Y’all ever scale that?

I was going to post it, but I forgot. I do remember I got a decent wall level result with it. Both can even scale to the feat in not only durability but also AP if we take the statements of them brawling with each other.

 

[Dinozxd]

I was going to post it, but I forgot. I do remember I got a decent wall level result with it. Both can even scale to the feat in not only durability but also AP if we take the statements of them brawling with each other.

I do think that the Koenji falling down that hill feat is kinda vauge as we see trees down where he jumps. It's extremely possible that the tree broke his fall.

 

[RoggerReggor]

I do think that the Koenji falling down that hill feat is kinda vauge as we see trees down where he jumps. It's extremely possible that the tree broke his fall.

Well, that's a good mindset, however I disagree with this, considering how we see Kouenji with perfectly fine clothes arguing with Ayanokouji next which is pretty much just the next thing he does and shouldn't have a lot of time between the chat and Ayanokouji to actually change his clothes. Tree breaking a fall would at least give him some tears on the uniform or at least give a good amount of dirt. And the fact that Kouenji was even confident to do something like that itself is a good proof of why he would choose to get his clothes dirty or at least cause himself an immense amount of pain or injury.

 

[Dinozxd]

Well, that's a good mindset, however I disagree with this, considering how we see Kouenji with perfectly fine clothes arguing with Ayanokouji next which is pretty much just the next thing he does and shouldn't have a lot of time between the chat and Ayanokouji to actually change his clothes. Tree breaking a fall would at least give him some tears on the uniform or at least give a good amount of dirt.

I mean this is pretty much assuming that his clothes would one hundred percent get tears on his clothes which I don't think is always the case.

And the fact that Kouenji was even confident to do something like that itself is a good proof of why he would choose to get his clothes dirty or at least cause himself an immense amount of pain or injury.

He might've been confident about landing on a tree and falling down safely rather than jumping like 20 meters down from a hill. It's just weird to scale a fall that we never saw is weird.

 

[RoggerReggor]

I mean this is pretty much assuming that his clothes would one hundred percent get tears on his clothes which I don't think is always the case.

Tears is not necessarily the thing, but dirt or minor scratches is something which is inevitable, we know that Lerche does draw dirt on clothes, so pointing it out as just an animation problem is a bad point.

He might've been confident about landing on a tree and falling down safely rather than jumping like 20 meters down from a hill. It's just weird to scale a fall that we never saw is weird.

He didn't jump just 20 meters and it is almost 50 meters. Landing on a tree is one of the worst decisions someone with Kouenji's level of intellect will make, even the worst minds can tell that the shear energy possessed by the falling body with a mass of a literal Kouenji can fall with a great force, that going on a tree, and by any chance hitting anything sharp (which is kind of impossible to avoid considering how trees come around with that) is almost 100% lol

 

[Dinozxd]

Tears is not necessarily the thing, but dirt or minor scratches is something which is inevitable, we know that Lerche does draw dirt on clothes, so pointing it out as just an animation problem is a bad point.

Dirt can just be brushed off in a few seconds and scratches might be below his shirt.

He didn't jump just 20 meters and it is almost 50 meters. Landing on a tree is one of the worst decisions someone with Kouenji's level of intellect will make, even the worst minds can tell that the shear energy possessed by the falling body with a mass of a literal Kouenji can fall with a great force, that going on a tree, and by any chance hitting anything sharp (which is kind of impossible to avoid considering how trees come around with that) is almost 100% lol

The tree scenario is just one scenario I came up with at the spot lol. It doesn't change the fact that the feat is really vauge as we literally don't see where he even lands.

 

[Clout5560]

Dirt can just be brushed off in a few seconds and scratches might be below his shirt.

The tree scenario is just one scenario I came up with at the spot lol. It doesn't change the fact that the feat is really vauge as we literally don't see where he even lands.

Y’all should stop talking about it now. My bad. Focus on the thread.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Dirt can just be brushed off in a few seconds and scratches might be below his shirt.

The tree scenario is just one scenario I came up with at the spot lol. It doesn't change the fact that the feat is really vauge as we literally don't see where he even lands.

I was planning to address this for at least 10 next messages, same as what I did in the last thread for about 2 pages as it was a big thing, Anyways, I don't think this is worth any debate, so this will be a final response.

Assuming that taking a tree on and being left with only dirt isn't what can possibly happen with the trees in the scene, considering how they are literally conifers of 10-15 meters of height on which getting struck with anything on the tree itself is a big thing, there's literally no way that a tree like that would not leave any scratches. Scratches below the shirt means they would be on his skin, cause him a lot of harm and even bleeding. This is literally AGAINST THE CHARACTER, Kouenji is a narcissistic individual and only cares about himself, he doesn't try to get himself even the slightest harm, he only cares about himself. Examples would be Y2V4 brawl with other students, Y1V3 Sudou clash, Y1V9 attacks, etc. So, him doing something as idiotic as jumping off a literal mountain is out-of-question, unless he is really confident in surviving that fall for a 100%, especially considering how we are basing it off the fact that he will get no tears or scratches on the shirt, which is sensibly impossible considering the situation he was in, unless he is wearing fabric which doesn't get dirty or is highly durable, which will require another league of assumptions in itself.

If I show you two images, first in which there are two racers racing, let's say A and B, and A is ahead of B by a fair margin, but in the second image, I clearly say that B won the race in the end. So, the most possible assumption is that B is much faster than A, you don't go around saying that A somehow had started to get slower unless there's enough proof. This is the same here, we see Kouenji jumping, and another where he is perfectly fine.

Anything other than the tree assumption breaking his fall is not possible at least by what we can observe, unless he randomly gets wings.

As Clout said, this is a debate for another day. Most of Zetsu's threads get flooded with the most wrong replies which are off-topic or are simply brought out to downgrade another COTE feat because the previously downgraded ones are getting upgraded. And it has been a bad habit for me as well, I really respect people spending time out of their days to type a message and end up replying to almost everything. Stick to the topic now.

 

[Dinozxd]

I looked over the thread just now.

I didn't quite get the "Limited Resistence to Pain Manipulation" part. Like, the things listed there can be a justification for Supernatrual Willpower but I don't see why they are listed as "Yes, Ayanokouji doesn't have a nerve system so he can resist pain.". If you're gonna use the "It's listed as a Limited resistance though, he resists it partially." argument then I would ask you what it means to partially resist pain? High pain tolerance... High pain tolerance should be listed as the stamina section or Supernatrual Willpower. Ayanokouji can resist big amounts of pain without the need of his willpower (like when he got stabbed by Housen in his hand and didn't react) which would be a really good justifiaction for Superhuman stamina imo. Shiro and Yuki have this as well which should be removed imo. I also didn't understand how limited is "Limited Resistance to Fear Inducement". Like, does he resist characters that inflict fear via Social Influencing or does Koji resist "Limited Fear Inducement" or something? I also didn't understand the "Class 5, Likely higher" ratings on Koji's profile as you would need a Class 5 feat to scale your character higher than it to begin with.

I don't think Ichika and Takuya having Superhuman stamina because they participated in the 4th gen of White Room makes sense as the human limit was already stated to be 5 or 6 which would logically be High Peak Human-Low Superhuman stamina. Ichika can already fight in a 1v2 in the verge of collapsing is still a pretty good feat but idk if it qualifies for Superhuman stamina or not as it kinda looks humanly reachable.

Lastly, I think the "Likely Higher" for Manabu and Nagumo upscaling from Albert should be removed as Manabu was stated to be the fastest student in the school which should one hundred percent put Manabu and Nagumo above Albert.

That's all, probably.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Koji doesn't have a "Class 5, Likely Higher"

He just has "At least Class 5"

 

[Clout5560]

Can you fix Ayanokouji’s page? It’s super unorganized and it looks like someone copied and pasted the same things multiple times.

Koji doesn't have a "Class 5, Likely Higher"

He just has "At least Class 5"

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Can you fix Ayanokouji’s page? It’s super unorganized and it looks like someone copied and pasted the same things multiple times.

Wdym? I don't think i placed 2 same things in the same place

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The profile is organized too ;c

 

[Clout5560]

The profile is organized too ;c

I send images let me try streamables




I don’t see how this is organized. Somethings on the verse pages are also off. Like for example. Koji breaking bones shouldn’t be in the calculation section as well as Koenji benching 200 kg. This is feats for inside the profiles. To prove shit. Like we can definitely say Koji is at least street level based on him breaking bones.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You are on your phone right?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is what you see on PC;

 

[Clout5560]

This is what you see on PC;

Hmm that’s weird. Seems I was incorrect. My bad. Anyways.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Hmm that’s weird. Seems I was incorrect. My bad. Anyways.

You were on current Koji's profile XD

The screenshot i sent you was my sandbox which is what will be placed on his profile if this CRT gets accepted XD

 

[Dinozxd]

Koji doesn't have a "Class 5, Likely Higher"

He just has "At least Class 5"

Oh, I misread that ig.

My other points still stand though.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I looked over the thread just now.

I didn't quite get the "Limited Resistence to Pain Manipulation" part. Like, the things listed there can be a justification for Supernatrual Willpower but I don't see why they are listed as "Yes, Ayanokouji doesn't have a nerve system so he can resist pain.". If you're gonna use the "It's listed as a Limited resistance though, he resists it partially." argument then I would ask you what it means to partially resist pain? High pain tolerance... High pain tolerance should be listed as the stamina section or Supernatrual Willpower. Ayanokouji can resist big amounts of pain without the need of his willpower (like when he got stabbed by Housen in his hand and didn't react) which would be a really good justifiaction for Superhuman stamina imo.

The white room was stated to give physical paralysis, depression, trauma, Panic attacks, Heart attacks, Was also implied kids have died, The kids suffered beatings to the point of vomiting and were still made to get up despite being severely injured and tired from the training, All of the kids (Except Yuki) adapted to this to the point it was normal and was considered a waste of time thinking about it, I really don't see how this isn't at least limited resistence

Shiro and Yuki have this as well which should be removed imo.

Why?? They literally participated in the same training regime as Ayanokouji what? Yuki is the only exception as she didn't resist hence why she doesn't have limited resistence like Shiro and Koji

I also didn't understand how limited is "Limited Resistance to Fear Inducement". Like, does he resist characters that inflict fear via Social Influencing or does Koji resist "Limited Fear Inducement" or something?

Ryuuen in the last thread was accepted to have fear inducement from inflicting fear against Housen, Koji is unaffected by this, More over the whiteroom specifically trained the kids to not feel fear

I don't think Ichika and Takuya having Superhuman stamina because they participated in the 4th gen of White Room makes sense as the human limit was already stated to be 5 or 6 which would logically be High Peak Human-Low Superhuman stamina. Ichika can already fight in a 1v2 in the verge of collapsing is still a pretty good feat but idk if it qualifies for Superhuman stamina or not as it kinda looks humanly reachable.

In the UIE it was stated even the most athletic people got tired iirc, Whiteroom training easily upscales that

And the Ichika feat makes her easily superhuman, She was on the verge of collapsing, As in, Her consciousness was fading or smth

Lastly, I think the "Likely Higher" for Manabu and Nagumo upscaling from Albert should be removed as Manabu was stated to be the fastest student in the school which should one hundred percent put Manabu and Nagumo above Albert.

That's exactly why they have a likely higher rating... They upscale Albert by a good margin

 

[wwereymy235]

I agree with the CRT.

 

[RoggerReggor]

I didn't quite get the "Limited Resistence to Pain Manipulation" part. Like, the things listed there can be a justification for Supernatrual Willpower but I don't see why they are listed as "Yes, Ayanokouji doesn't have a nerve system so he can resist pain.". If you're gonna use the "It's listed as a Limited resistance though, he resists it partially." argument then I would ask you what it means to partially resist pain? High pain tolerance... High pain tolerance should be listed as the stamina section or Supernatrual Willpower.

Iirc, Zetsu had put it in the previous thread as well and I disagreed with it as well and asked him personally about him. He told me that a staff had said that even having almost no reaction and being able to act against it can be limited to a certain resistance against pain. But yeah, this does sound vague, considering how many characters with a very high level of endurance should easily be able to do it.

Ayanokouji can resist big amounts of pain without the need of his willpower (like when he got stabbed by Housen in his hand and didn't react) which would be a really good justifiaction for Superhuman stamina imo.

What's even better is that Ayanokouji didn't only have a knife in his hand, but also pushed his hand against Housen's force to basically overpower him in physical strength as well, not only making his injury much worse by letting the knife dive in his hand further, but also overpowering a guy who is times stronger than Sudou and described as having the same LS as Albert.

Shiro and Yuki have this as well which should be removed imo. I also didn't understand how limited is "Limited Resistance to Fear Inducement". Like, does he resist characters that inflict fear via Social Influencing or does Koji resist "Limited Fear Inducement" or something? I also didn't understand the "Class 5, Likely higher" ratings on Koji's profile as you would need a Class 5 feat to scale your character higher than it to begin with.

Yuki shouldn't have any resistances to fear inducement, at least both Shirou and Ayanokouji have their supernatural will for going through crap which cannot be done by even adults at around 9 years of age. But yeah, as Vzearr said, "supernatural fear" might just be a thing.

I don't think Ichika and Takuya having Superhuman stamina because they participated in the 4th gen of White Room makes sense as the human limit was already stated to be 5 or 6 which would logically be High Peak Human-Low Superhuman stamina. Ichika can already fight in a 1v2 in the verge of collapsing is still a pretty good feat but idk if it qualifies for Superhuman stamina or not as it kinda looks humanly reachable.

The thing is, 4th gen isn't the human limit, but the limit of human development. White Room aimed to create superhumans as we know. Limit of human development means that a human can only develop to that point in the White Room standards, meaning that you can reach a level of supernaturality in your physical stats, and then still not reach your limit of how much a peak human potential can perform in the White Room.

Ichika's rating doesn't come from the fact that she's from the White Room, she's strong to the point where Suzune described her injuries as injuries which can have a person on the verge of collapsing, plus she was described to be in a stage where she shouldn't even be able to walk well. Now, the reason why this is supernatural comes from the fact that we have olympic athletes IRL. If they have an injury in which they cannot even walk, they surely shouldn't be able to do what Ichika did, they are even substituted with another players or have to discontinue their play till they recover.

Lastly, I think the "Likely Higher" for Manabu and Nagumo upscaling from Albert should be removed as Manabu was stated to be the fastest student in the school which should one hundred percent put Manabu and Nagumo above Albert.

Yes, I just realized that we could make better ratings, without using "likely".

 

[RoggerReggor]

Koji doesn't have a "Class 5, Likely Higher"

He just has "At least Class 5"

Using Dino's suggestions... The best rating here would be,

"At least Class 5, much higher" for characters who go massively superior to the likes of Ryuuen.
"At least Class 5, higher" for characters who still can easily overpower Ryuuen in physical strength.
"At least Class 5, likely higher" should only be for characters who go around the strength of Ryuuen, and the only one I recall correctly is Sudou lol.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Bump

 

[Dinozxd]

The white room was stated to give physical paralysis, depression, trauma, Panic attacks, Heart attacks, Was also implied kids have died, The kids suffered beatings to the point of vomiting and were still made to get up despite being severely injured and tired from the training, All of the kids (Except Yuki) adapted to this to the point it was normal and was considered a waste of time thinking about it, I really don't see how this isn't at least limited resistence

All of this qualify for Supernatural Willpower, not limited resistance to pain manipulation. Ayanokouji and Shiro still have nerve systems and very well can feel pain (as you said, they adapted to the pain with time).

Why?? They literally participated in the same training regime as Ayanokouji what? Yuki is the only exception as she didn't resist hence why she doesn't have limited resistence like Shiro and Koji

I meant that as, they shouldn't have it if Koji doesn't as well.

Ryuuen in the last thread was accepted to have fear inducement from inflicting fear against Housen, Koji is unaffected by this, More over the whiteroom specifically trained the kids to not feel fear

Can you show that please? It isn't on his profile...

In the UIE it was stated even the most athletic people got tired iirc, Whiteroom training easily upscales that

Athletic ppl getting tired would just upscale it from Athletic stamina though.

And the Ichika feat makes her easily superhuman, She was on the verge of collapsing, As in, Her consciousness was fading or smth

Like, I can see that feat getting performed by irl boxers and shi so idk

That's exactly why they have a likely higher rating... They upscale Albert by a good margin

I suggested something like "At least Superhuman, higher (Upscales from Albert who did this)" rather than "likely".

But yeah, this does sound vague, considering how many characters with a very high level of endurance should easily be able to do it.

I just think shaking off or ignoring pain isn't the same as not feeling pain.

But yeah, as Vzearr said, "supernatural fear" might just be a thing.

I pretty much agree to that yeah.

The thing is, 4th gen isn't the human limit, but the limit of human development. White Room aimed to create superhumans as we know. Limit of human development means that a human can only develop to that point in the White Room standards, meaning that you can reach a level of supernaturality in your physical stats, and then still not reach your limit of how much a peak human potential can perform in the White Room.

Well if you develop till human limits, it would make you a peak human and developing past it would make you a superhuman.

Ichika's rating doesn't come from the fact that she's from the White Room, she's strong to the point where Suzune described her injuries as injuries which can have a person on the verge of collapsing, plus she was described to be in a stage where she shouldn't even be able to walk well. Now, the reason why this is supernatural comes from the fact that we have olympic athletes IRL. If they have an injury in which they cannot even walk, they surely shouldn't be able to do what Ichika did, they are even substituted with another players or have to discontinue their play till they recover.

Hmmmmmmm

I think I can agree to that ig.

Using Dino's suggestions... The best rating here would be,

"At least Class 5, much higher" for characters who go massively superior to the likes of Ryuuen.
"At least Class 5, higher" for characters who still can easily overpower Ryuuen in physical strength.
"At least Class 5, likely higher" should only be for characters who go around the strength of Ryuuen, and the only one I recall correctly is Sudou lol.

Wouldn't Class 5 already be above Ryuuen? I would personally go with "At least Class 5" for characters that scale higher, "At least Class 5, higher" for characters that scale massively higher.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

All of this qualify for Supernatural Willpower, not limited resistance to pain manipulation. Ayanokouji and Shiro still have nerve systems and very well can feel pain (as you said, they adapted to the pain with time).

They are technically getting tortured there

Both mentally and physically for years straight with minimal rest

Which makes pain resistence believeable

I meant that as, they shouldn't have it if Koji doesn't as well.

I believe they should (Except Yuki)

Can you show that please? It isn't on his profile...

You participated on it though?

Also, It's not because i am currently making sandboxes for them

I suggested something like "At least Superhuman, higher (Upscales from Albert who did this)" rather than "likely".

You don't put "higher", Likely is for when they possibly are a higher tier than what they are now

 

[RoggerReggor]

I just think shaking off or ignoring pain isn't the same as not feeling pain.

Yes, it definitely isn't.

Well if you develop till human limits, it would make you a peak human and developing past it would make you a superhuman.

Human limits are just their potential, developing up to it doesn't mean they cannot be superhumans.

Either way, this doesn't require a debate, her feats are already of very good quality. (And I saw that you agreed with it as well)

Wouldn't Class 5 already be above Ryuuen? I would personally go with "At least Class 5" for characters that scale higher, "At least Class 5, higher" for characters that scale massively higher.

I did small mistakes, replace Class 5 with Class 1.

 

[ODMvZfr]

Can Manabu and Nagumo scale LS from Ryūen? I'm curious.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Can Manabu and Nagumo scale LS from Ryūen? I'm curious.

Manabu easily does since he has statements of being the strongest and smartest in ANHS before Ayanokouji came

Nagumo is considered his rival so i guess he can, And Koji noted he has a great lower body strenght

 

[RoggerReggor]

Manabu easily does since he has statements of being the strongest and smartest in ANHS before Ayanokouji came

Nagumo is considered his rival so i guess he can, And Koji noted he has a great lower body strenght

There is not even worth debating. Sudou, who is above the likes of Ryuuen is said to equal Nagumo in power, so yes.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Couldn't outrigut wall level work for ayanokoji across the board since he apparently upscales MASSIVELY above the rest of the cast? The "likely" looks like an eyesore