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Chinawoman vs Pink Ball

So he needs to pull an item first? Would he use it if he doesn't have to travel some interstellar distance?
 
I do recall some feats in ED that could match that, but probably wouldn't scale to Xian Fan for now.

Anyway, he can win the unequalized one, but I'd still say she wins with it equalized.
 
If one wins each round, then it's generally like:

5: Kirby (Speed Unequalized)/Xian Fan (Speed Equalized)
 
Speed equalized, it'd be better range to avoid most of Kirby's important stuff, and possibly one-shot by shattering space.
 
I don't see ow she would land hits on him even with the Giant Weapons.

He is less then 10 inches tall and has the warp star/ other forms of flight to fly on.

Can she take a friend heart?

Also Couldn't Kirby use Hypernova to suck or Ultra sword to deflect her weapons?
 
She can see him just fine, and a weapon big enough to hit him in he AoE shouldn't be an issue, she can make stuff that spreads into the horizon. I don't think he can evade if speed is equalized, unless he teleports away.

Friend heart seems to have low range, so it wouldn't reach her, and, again, he'd need something to tank or deflect attacks that crack space-time and stuff.
 
Her Mortal Sword is, but she wouldn't start with it. Her regular stuff should be 4-A.

although, since Kirby can apparently have all his 50 million powers, items and forms at once, maybe she can be given it from the start.
 
InfiniteSped said:
Speed equalized, it'd be better range to avoid most of Kirby's important stuff, and possibly one-shot by shattering space.
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Some text talking about shattering space is not better than the space shattering of interstellar parts of Another Dimension Kirby survived fine, but that's just an example of the same stuff, his profile shows how he's fine by 3 interstellar distortions while being near the beings who made them. Unless those attacks she has are the ones that are 3-B it's nonsensical for them to do anything on Kirby.
 
InfiniteSped said:
She can see him just fine, and a weapon big enough to hit him in he AoE shouldn't be an issue, she can make stuff that spreads into the horizon. I don't think he can evade if speed is equalized, unless he teleports away.
Friend heart seems to have low range, so it wouldn't reach her, and, again, he'd need something to tank or deflect attacks that crack space-time and stuff.
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Why can't Kirby just hit the thing that spreads to back it off? He could do so to to the Dimensional Walls that were omnidirectionally consuming interstellar parts of Another Dimension. What's more, why can't he just outrun it, get out of there with a Warp Star or approach his foe with his common way to approach things; via Space Jump, which makes him intangible while moving faster than his running speed.

Crack space-time doesn't make an attack any more hard to deflect, what is the logic behind that? Also weren't the attacks doing that when landing?
 
In that video, none of them seems to really hit him, or try to break the space he's actually in. Just kinda break the surroundings, it looks like he gets knocked out for a bit, then they escape the place. I'm not sure how that helps, the profile itself says he'd get hurt if a space-based attack actually hits him.


Spatial Manipulation (Physically unaffected by said interstellar distortions, otherwise only harmed if reached by those or any space-based attacks;
Hitting it to back off, maybe. It might still crack space with just the shockwave, that can happen too if the attack is powerful enough.


"Bang!" After another loud explosion, a myriad of worlds was destroyed and the sky shattered. In just a second, thousands of miles of the sky was broken into pieces like shattered glass, resulting in an extremely spectacular scene.
Outrunning it should be hard if they have the same speed, and she has NPI to deal with any intangibility.

Even if he can indeed shrug off these attacks, that's just a motivation for her to use her Mortal Sword, which should be able to take him down when she goes for it. It doesn't seem to me rn that he can take her without the massive speed advantage.
 
It shouldn't be due to how small he is. It is far harder to hit a small target even if you are as fast or even faster (have you ever tried to hit a mosquito l, even with a large object it can be tricky.)
 
Mosquito are quite easy to hit. Flies are generally the hard ones, but still doable if you throw a skyscraper at them, which is a good analogy to what might happen here.
 
Blocking has its own issues, like I mentioned above, and, yes, he has mobility options, but with speed equalized he won't be evading much faster than what she can hit, using larger weapons should bridge that gab.

Would anyone know how much of those abilities he can have at once? Like, how many optional equipment he can be carrying around, or how many abilities he can have copied/use at once. Or if he can be a ghost while having the other stuff as well.
 
It is inconsistent how many abilities he can store at once. In the games which let him store copy abilities (we are probably using those.) he can either store as many at once (Milky Way Wishes.) or he has a set amount he can store.
 
I might be wrong but I don't think so, if he has max tomato, invulnerable candy, or reviving fruit that gives him another edge.
 
InfiniteSped said:
In that video, none of them seems to really hit him, or try to break the space he's actually in. Just kinda break the surroundings, it looks like he gets knocked out for a bit, then they escape the place.
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The ground where he is breaks when seconds before we see space with no matter in it breaking too, but ok, let's say only the surroundings are affected by that. He doesn't get knocked out by the space shattering, he and his team briefly float due to the lack of gravity and get assisted, later Kirby faints for a while as he does at the end of most of his games for the tough battle he had, not only is there no reason for the space shattering to be the reason for it but his team didn't faint for it. Further into the video they are all running in the dimension where the space shattered just fine, which they did for a longer time.

InfiniteSped said:
I'm not sure how that helps, the profile itself says he'd get hurt if a space-based attack actually hits him.
Spatial Manipulation (Physically unaffected by said interstellar distortions, otherwise only harmed if reached by those or any space-based attacks;
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If you had Resistance to Fire Manipulation via being physically unaffected by someone next to you setting fire to the whole world in one attack, but then he could also harm you if he wraps his fist in fire and hits you, would it do something to you regular attacks from someone else, weaker than you, that can use fire in its regular attacks? With no scale to it, it just uses fire in its attacks. You wouldn't get harmed by fire that isn't above planetary in scale (or that can't harm others with planetary scale in fire manip resistance, which is the same).

Space-based attacks should cut others in half and/or deform them, that's why Kirby's profile says that he gets harmed by them, just surviving them is notable. By your logic if a character gets resistance to something in their whole career they should never again get affected by what they resisted, because that just has to mean that everyone can affected them with what they resisted and resisting is just a joke.

InfiniteSped said:
Hitting it to back off, maybe. It might still crack space with just the shockwave, that can happen too if the attack is powerful enough.
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For the same reasons as before this will do nothing to Kirby.

InfiniteSped said:
Outrunning it should be hard if they have the same speed, and she has NPI to deal with any intangibility.
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It makes no sense to be hard to outrun something as fast as you, it's not like it lasts forever or anything, Kirby has to do little more than react to it. As he has his OP then he can also amp his speed if needed. I would argue that the intangibility of the Space Jump is too much for NPI users, but that may be game mechanics.

InfiniteSped said:
Even if he can indeed shrug off these attacks, that's just a motivation for her to use her Mortal Sword, which should be able to take him down when she goes for it. It doesn't seem to me rn that he can take her without the massive speed advantage.
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If the evidence for space manip is just some instances in the verse where space shattered then someone not getting hax'd by it is by no means anything notable. Kirby can still summon a Warp Star to approach at speeds faster than his regular running and dodge stuff in the process, or overpower them by shooting at them..or just colliding with them. With the low AP and lack of hax here that Mortal Sword is the only thing that can really do something, how does it work?
 
InfiniteSped said:
Blocking has its own issues, like I mentioned above, and, yes, he has mobility options, but with speed equalized he won't be evading much faster than what she can hit, using larger weapons should bridge that gab.
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This as well is fallacious. It invalidates the experience of every character that can dogde things from foes as fast as them with higher attack speed than their regular speed. A lot of videogame characters can do that, like them, Kirby does it while having his foes near him, Xian Fan will start by being KMs away and thus giving Kirby extra time to dodge her stuff. It's not even like Kirby is the average videogame character that can do this, many final bosses he faces are explicitly more powerful than he, meaning that he has to dodge their attacks, and use complex patterns of attacks, occasionally using Danmaku.

InfiniteSped said:
Would anyone know how much of those abilities he can have at once? Like, how many optional equipment he can be carrying around, or how many abilities he can have copied/use at once. Or if he can be a ghost while having the other stuff as well.
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Having optional equipment throws logic out of the window as the character just have everything, but yes he can only use many things at once if their effects are passive. He can only copy/use one Copy Ability at a time, even if it's mix with more. Forget about Ghost Kirby, optional equipment gives him a new monster called Gem Apples. Ghost Kirby will not be seen here, ever.
 
Well, if a direct attack can hurt him, then that's good enough, it helps her a lot. If we're talking resistance to space attacks, even Royal Nobles have it, as they can survive punches that shatter space. Then you got Enlightened Beings, Ancient Saints, Heavenly Sovereigns and Heavenly Kings, all of whom can resist and dish out space breaking stuff. Say, a Royal Noble who can resist it wouldn't survive an Ancient Saint doing so, so a "baseline" resistance might not be enough, although comparing it around different franchises is more difficult.

Anyhow, with it actually harming him, she can branch out to, say, aiming for his soul to destroy it, something she surely can do since she killed a crapton of people who all have Low-Godly regen and could have ran away with their souls otherwise. Just piercing the body to reach the soul should be enough.

Large AoE would help with hitting someone as fast as him, she can cover the horizon without a problem, although I guess it depends on how much faster he can become with items, or if he'd choose to evade rather than block.

Him just shrugging off all her blows would indicate he's either a Virtuous Paragon or a higher-end Heavenly King, from her perspective, at least. If she straight up cannot harm him, then it's reasonable to pull her sword.

Mortal Sword summons a giant shadow of an Immortal Emperor, that strikes with it, slashing through laws and all magics and overpowering 3-Bs. Probably some power-null through suppression as well.
 
For him being able to dodge stuff well, again, I don't think it's the same as evading something that she can morph to the size of a mountain, continent or planet. Attacks covering ridiculous areas are the bread and butter of her verse.

Wouldn't optional equipment just give him the stuff he could have at the same time? Will he start buried under a mountain of items or what.
 
He can have a nigh unlimited amount of gem apples at once, and isn't held down, he should be fine there. She has one avoidable win cons that she doesn't start with while Kirby just wins instantly upon getting into range do to friend hearts, probably higher AP and SUCC (that will happen quickly do to the level of speed we are at and how hard he will be to hit.)
 
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