Chainsaw Man discussion thread

[ElajRuengies]

Main takeaway from today's chapter:

Mother's Guilt Over Murdering Her Own Children >>> Entire Human Population's Fear of Aging

Yoru's a really caring mom, apparently. No wonder she's mad Nukes got eaten.
We emotion scaling now, boys

 

[GunshyFever]

Im hyped to see Pochita get washed in gruesome ways just to keep getting back up again, we might also be in for a few more feats as we've yet to see the tank gauntlet in action and the Gun gauntlet is probably stronger as well.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Im hyped to see Pochita get washed in gruesome ways just to keep getting back up again

Okay Barem. I completely agree.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

I think there're a lot of things to consider about whether this speed feat is valid and what the calculations will show. The distance from Mount Elbrus to Tokyo is 4,907 miles in a straight direction. Gulf of Mexico distance is a bit trickier since it doesn't specify where along the Gulf of Mexico or what direction the Tank Devil traveled. We don't know how long it took to travel, but it probably wasn't more than a few seconds. But more importantly, do the characters scale to this? We don't know if Yoru specifically reacted to the Tank and Gun Devil traveling to her; the most you could argue is that this is her attack/summoning speed. This seems really messy. I just hope this doesn't end up with CSM top tiers becoming FTL.

 

[Zabazab]

Chainsaw Man was crazy good this week.

 

[Arkenis]

I think there're a lot of things to consider about whether this speed feat is valid and what the calculations will show. The distance from Mount Elbrus to Tokyo is 4,907 miles in a straight direction. Gulf of Mexico distance is a bit trickier since it doesn't specify where along the Gulf of Mexico or what direction the Tank Devil traveled. We don't know how long it took to travel, but it probably wasn't more than a few seconds. But more importantly, do the characters scale to this? We don't know if Yoru specifically reacted to the Tank and Gun Devil traveling to her; the most you could argue is that this is her attack/summoning speed. This seems really messy. I just hope this doesn't end up with CSM top tiers becoming FTL.

Yeah I don’t think many would allow it nor would we knowing the context. At most its summoning speed I’d say.

 

[koopa3144]

Btw did anyone else miss that Yoru's blast knocked the mouth devil out of Pochita at first or am I just blind?

 

[ElajRuengies]

Btw did anyone else miss that Yoru's blast knocked the mouth devil out of Pochita at first or am I just blind?

I did.

Side Note: Yoru gave the Mouth Devil a C-Section, meaning she punched a hole straight through Pochita

 

[GunshyFever]

Would Gauntlet Yoru have her own key?

(Also, a friend calced the explosion thingy) it's like 22 Kilotons which is consistency again.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Would Gauntlet Yoru have her own key?

(Also, a friend calced the explosion thingy) it's like 22 Kilotons which is consistency again.

Nah, it's more like equipment since she can probably only summon them after her amp. If she couldn't make stuff weapons from a distance like at the start, then I doubt she could do what she just did.

If 22.5918 kilotons was from the USSR's 28% of the Gun Devil, then would 100% scale to 80.685 kilotons? (Specifically 100% Gun, after everyone's fear of the Gun Devil tanked after Denji "beat" it in Part 1)

If so, then Pre-Weakening Gun being 7-B isn't that far fetched...

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Pochita blew up by a 7-C attack...

 

[GunshyFever]

Pochita blew up by a 7-C attack...

Yoru probably loved her children alot, enough to the point that as weapons they have blown off the arms of the second strongest Devil in the verse.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Pochita blew up by a 7-C attack...

Durability in Chainsaw Man (or for regenerators in general) is weird, Darkness got wrecked by Makima's finger blast, and Pochita was also harmed by the Centipede Devil earlier.

Also Quanxi broke her legs by falling.

 

[Arkenis]

Yoru probably loved her children alot, enough to the point that as weapons they have blown off the arms of the second strongest Devil in the verse.

Didn’t one of the hybrid devils harm him too?

 

[GunshyFever]

Darkness got wrecked by Makima's finger blast

We have that accepted as Bio manip. But the centipede one is acceptable because they are gross insects that everyone hates. Yoru's gauntlets are just that strong because her guilt from using her children as weapons is high

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Durability in Chainsaw Man (or for regenerators in general) is weird

Quanxi breaking her legs for a 9-C fall...

 

[GunshyFever]

Didn’t one of the hybrid devils harm him too?

Yea, Spear Man, only his spears scale to Pochita tho. And that was an Awakaned Pochita, current Pochita is Primordial level due to being as feared as sickness and aging, as well as the fear of devils stacked onto that.

 

[ElajRuengies]

We have that accepted as Bio manip. But the centipede one is acceptable because they are gross insects that everyone hates.

Then Cockroach should've been 7-C too, and while Cockroach was tough, he wasn't Gun-Devil level. Also, how was that Bio Manip?

Chainsaw Man's regenerators are just spongey from the looks of it.

 

[GunshyFever]

Then Cockroach should've been 7-C too, and while Cockroach was tough, he wasn't Gun-Devil level. Also, how was that Bio Manip?

Chainsaw Man's regenerators are just spongey from the looks of it.

You can argue they only got to draw blood because they attacked his intestine appendage. Also, for the bio manip

Biological Manipulation (With a simple stare, Makima has shown to be able to cause massive amounts of bleeding from a person's eyes, nose, and mouth. While the exact method used by her isn't explicit, it's likely that she used some sort of biological attack to cause internal hemorrhaging within that man's brain with her stare.[34] Uses a similar attack against the Darkness Devil later on.[17])

I don't necessarily think Pochita himself is spongey in durability, but piercing attacks probably are more effective against him.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Quanxi breaking her legs for a 9-C fall...

The fall did nothing, Quanxi just broke her legs on purpose because she needed an excuse to bite Fumiko's midriff

You can argue they only got to draw blood because they attacked his intestine appendage. Also, for the bio manip

Makima's point looks more like the [Bang] attack to me, but fair enough. Shame a sudden explanation on Devil's abilities would've ruined the tone of the scene.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Behold the verse strongest 8-B!

 

[GunshyFever]

Piercing Damage Devil didn't like Makima

 

[Zabazab]

You can argue they only got to draw blood because they attacked his intestine appendage.

I've said this too. It's an exposed organ while his skin is metal. Spears broke on him just last chapter.

 

[Zabazab]

Would Gauntlet Yoru have her own key?

(Also, a friend calced the explosion thingy) it's like 22 Kilotons which is consistency again.

Experts are claiming this could be Tier 6 (since it's not an explosion).

 

[GunshyFever]

since it's not an explosion

I don't follow?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Probably more wanked KE

 

[Dalesean027]

Probably more wanked KE

Using explosions here is fundamentally wrong tho so meh

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Are you trying to calc the KE of the gumlet or of the soil blowing up

 

[Zabazab]

Are you trying to calc the KE of the gumlet or of the soil blowing up

The dust yes.

 

[GunshyFever]

Friend also calced Yoru's summoning speed, should scale to a completely new key though since current Yoru is way stronger

 

[Zabazab]

Friend also calced Yoru's summoning speed, should scale to a completely new key though since current Yoru is way stronger

Mmm, I disagree with a new key right now. As he wails on Pochita she'll probably free her comrades and get strong enough for a new key, but currently I'd just say:

9-A, Varies with weapons | 8-B, Varies with weapons, up to [Primal level] with Gauntlets

 

[ElajRuengies]

Using explosions here is fundamentally wrong tho so meh

How is using explosions wrong?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The dust yes.

If even Gun Devil KE wasn't accepted I doubt that this one is gonna pass. The dust don't cause any kind of damage in the environment close to tier 6

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

If even Gun Devil KE wasn't accepted I doubt that this one is gonna pass. The dust don't cause any kind of damage in the environment close to tier 6

it's not even been calced lol, do we even know if it's gonna be tier 6?

 

[ElJoaki5]

What speed would you even use for that dust KE?

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Friend also calced Yoru's summoning speed, should scale to a completely new key though since current Yoru is way stronger

I don't think anyone would scale to the summoning speed since it statued pochita

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

do we even know if it's gonna be tier 6?

Experts are claiming this could be Tier 6

I'm assuming that its at least close to the 6

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

What speed would you even use for that dust KE?

true, cause the calc is apparently ftl for the summoning speed, let alone dust being moved within that time

 

[Dalesean027]

If even Gun Devil KE wasn't accepted I doubt that this one is gonna pass. The dust don't cause any kind of damage in the environment close to tier 6

Dust doesn't need to cause damage its the act of launching that sheer amount of dust to begin with in a large cloud, its almost no different from a cloud calc

How is using explosions wrong?

Cause its not an explosions its tearing through the mountain and pulverized the metal doors and such, not via explosion manip

 

[ElajRuengies]

it's not even been calced lol, do we even know if it's gonna be tier 6?

What speed would you even use for that dust KE?

I'm guessing Tier 6 was gotten by-

• Distance Dust traveled: At least 500 meters
• Timeframe: Going by distance from Pochita to Yoru's face and Supersonic Speed from the calc, ~0.0004 seconds
• Speed: 1.25 million m/s

At that speed, even only 1 ton of dust would result in Large Town level KE, and that's a lot more than 1 ton even if Cloud density was for the dust cone.