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After the Current arc ends is prob when we're gonna update stuff.
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Chainsaw Man discussion thread
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Adding the Gun Goddess means adding Yoru's Call to Arms, which means figuring out their scaling, which means a CRT, and Gunshy's swamped and so is holding off making those until break, and same goes for me.
Also, we should prolly let the current arc finish too, although since that might take even longer than winter break, that's more a suggestion than a rule. The Biweekly Devil doesn't stay dead unfortunately.
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Possibly BS but, Ch. 53 (1st chapter of International Assassins) shows that Reze was successful in leaking Denji's existence to the public, and so there's this huge hub-bub about "The Chainsaw Devil" on the news, kicking off the assassins plot.
Would the news-flash about Denji's existence, plus his showings against Santa Claus, be enough to warrant a separate key because Fear Scaling?
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Like in Part 2, people were still very skeptical about Chainsaw Man despite him being a celebrity superhero, but regardless, I don't think the depowerment was immediate, mainly, it occurred when Pochita started vomiting a pool of blood before Makima mentioned that she had humans eat up the fear that devils gave him in that very moment. However, that's pretty much the only sign of him weakening, but, most of it had seemed to be planned for when Pochita would finally awaken, symbolizing that Makima had planed to do this from the start likely after she got to see Chainsaw Man in action. It's an interesting thought though, what do you think?
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Until this arc finish? Or maybe at least until the Aging devil is done deal I guess, cause at this point we'll just be editing again and again, after all Gun Goddess will be in Yoru's profile.
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I wasn't talking about when Makima revealed the news about Chainsaw Man beating "The Gun Devil," I meant the first news flash that led to him becoming known globally?
Makima was 100% planning a huge news drop of Chainsaw Man being a hero from the start, which is why she was pressed by Reze managing to leak the news of Denji's existence early which painted him in an ambiguous light, since that messed with her plans. My question was if that newsflash, plus his showings against Santa, was enough for a new key due to fear scaling.
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Yeah I get wym, however, I don't think his fear decreased to the point that he needs a new key, since nothing really indicated that he got weaker as time went on, only that it opened doors for Assassins to pester Japan.
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No, I meant if news spreading of Chainsaw Man meant that he was stronger than himself Post Training key, since he could harm Santa Claus.
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The news spreading would weaken him, no? Him harming Santa Claus right now is just a result of him strengthening due to training with Kishibe
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Not necessarily, since it's news in the context of him facing Bomb in an incident with a huge amount of casualties, not news framing him as a hero for killing the Gun Devil.
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It wasn't necessarily inducing fear, just questioning if he is enemy or ally to the people. They signified that he saved women but he threw car with a dude inside. Especially since they mention that he is wears a public safety suit, what I'm trying to say is that they are putting him in question to the public. Which doesn't really seem to empower him fear wise.
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Okay, but if Denji wasn't powered up by fear post-Reze's news leak, then that means Post-Training Denji in general scales to Santa.
...But Katana Man scales to Post-Training Denji, meaning he's also City Block level+.
...And Base Quanxi scales above Katana Man. But if Base Quanxi's that strong, then Santa shouldn't have been able to catch and snap her Hybrid Form's attacks.
Meaning (yet another) loop of Quanxi being stronger than Quanxi.
(The first is Yoshida bloodied Base Quanxi's nose bare handed -> Yoru's too tough for Yoshida even using a sword -> Base Quanxi incapacitates Yoru with a kick)
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If we put every single AP/Speed that Denji scaled to in a single key, it'd be an unreadable wall of text.
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Honestly, I wonder if the jailbreak scene should count as an outlier.
Yoru dropped from like the sixth floor of her apartment complex carrying a giant Room 606 sword, landed on one foot, and was fine.
Quanxi fell two stories w/ Denji, Fumiko, and Nayuta, and turned her legs into pretzels.
Unless Fumiko weighs three f*cking tons, Quanxi should've dislocated a hip trying to budge Yoru. She's a freaking Horseman.
Yoru dropped from like the sixth floor of her apartment complex carrying a giant Room 606 sword, landed on one foot, and was fine.
Quanxi fell two stories w/ Denji, Fumiko, and Nayuta, and turned her legs into pretzels.
Unless Fumiko weighs three f*cking tons, Quanxi should've dislocated a hip trying to budge Yoru. She's a freaking Horseman.
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Broke her legs on purpose to kill the shock of landing for her 3 passengers.
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Santa wasn’t aware of her durability in general, and it's smarter to catch the arrows than to have them constantly bombard you. Transformed Quanxi was blowing Daytime Santa into sawdust, and Daytime Santa scales to baseline 8-B+ due to Post-Training Chainsaw Man. We already know that Quanxi could have easily defeated a Daytime Santa Claus even in her base form, which only makes Transformed Quanxi stronger than her base. However, Darkness-Empowered Santa Claus receives a massive power-up in darkness, making her stronger than Transformed Quanxi. The arrows could have done less damage to her body, but we never got to see it, as she simply preferred not to be hit by the arrows, which doesn’t undermine her superior durability.
Not really, scaling wise, it'd go;
Day Time Santa Claus (8-B+) << Base Quanxi (8-B+) < Transformed Quanxi (8-B+) < Darkness Empowered Santa Claus (8-A??) might warrant an upscale due to how many layers of upscaling.
Yoshida fought a casual Quanxi -> A Quanxi who is taking her opponents more seriously can harm Yoru's durability.
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Also, isn't Quanxi kicking Yoru, more of a case of LS than Striking Strength?
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Not to mention that this was a casual Quanxi
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Second round was a mid diff
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Where does Denji slot into that scaling chain?
Also why is Day Time Santa 8-B+? Dolls can be creepy, but I doubt they're scarier than bats. Or does a drop of Darkness flesh alone scale her that high?
I get pulling your muscles, but how does one being casual lower their durability? Was Quanxi just not flexing her face muscles hard enough?
Kicks are strikes, that's by definition striking strength. It's not like she held Yoru in place and did leg-presses
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Okay but in the ****** up CSM world they definitely can be
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Devils use fear control which is why their 7-A punches don't destroy every city they fight in
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Quanxi was in human form???Devils use fear control which is why their 7-A punches don't destroy every city they fight in
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Well, there haven't been many horror movies about bats recently, just vampires, who are a different thing, and bats themselves aren't that freaky. She herself has freaked out a lot of people.
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Morb Devil
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She simply didn't fortify her nose with fear
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Post-Training Denji ~ Day-Time Santa Claus in terms of AP
Scaling off Post-Traning Chainsaw Man here, also the Doll Devil is empowered of that small piece of the Darkness Devil's flesh. Her being stronger than the Bat Devil's strongest attack is not surprising, especially since she is cultivating power from a Primordial Fear.
Have you even been in a fight before, you'd usually tense up your muscles to reduce the effectiveness of your opponents punches. Compare it to when your off guard and you get punched in the stomach out of nowhere or for more scene context, when your relaxing your muscles and you get punched extremely hard.
Fair on that.
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Chapter 182 is 57 whole hours away and I'm already full of dread.
I swear to God if there's a catatonic Denji and Yoru sex scene, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I swear to God if there's a catatonic Denji and Yoru sex scene, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
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Denji won't be catatonic, but uh, he'll still be r*ped. That's my prediction.
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Like, the worst part about that is that- unlike with The Boys- it wouldn't even be shock value, since it has a place in the story from a thematic standpoint.
Abuse is not a single occurrence. Sexual assault is a single occurrence, but abuse is a pattern someone gets stuck in, meaning to really show abuse, it has to happen multiple times.
Symbolically, Denji is someone who just got out of an abusive relationship (Makima) only to end up in yet another abusive relationship (Yoru) because he didn't learn to value himself as a person enough to push back.
The reason Denji got so hung up on Asa, despite, as Barem put it best, "You barely know her." -is because she was the one person he kissed where something didn't go horribly wrong afterwards... but he wasn't kissing Asa, and something did go horribly wrong. In 119, you can see Yoru's hand on Denji's head as Nayuta walks in, meaning Yoru kissed him because she wanted to make him hers, so she could turn him into a weapon. Again.
Yoru has seen Denji as a possible possession to be used, not a person, from the start. If Yoru actually does r*pe Denji next chapter, then that just means Asa's feelings only changed the possession from a sword to a sex toy. (Apparently you can't type the word Delta India Lima Delta Oscar)
WHICH I'D RATHER NOT SEE.
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Well, we'll see what happens.
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I will kill Tatsuki Fujimoto myself
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