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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

ElajRuengies said:
Like, the worst part about that is that- unlike with The Boys- it wouldn't even be shock value, since it has a place in the story from a thematic standpoint.

Abuse is not a single occurrence. Sexual assault is a single occurrence, but abuse is a pattern someone gets stuck in, meaning to really show abuse, it has to happen multiple times.

Symbolically, Denji is someone who just got out of an abusive relationship (Makima) only to end up in yet another abusive relationship (Yoru) because he didn't learn to value himself as a person enough to push back.

The reason Denji got so hung up on Asa, despite, as Barem put it best, "You barely know her." -is because she was the one person he kissed where something didn't go horribly wrong afterwards... but he wasn't kissing Asa, and something did go horribly wrong. In 119, you can see Yoru's hand on Denji's head as Nayuta walks in, meaning Yoru kissed him because she wanted to make him hers, so she could turn him into a weapon. Again.

Yoru has seen Denji as a possible possession to be used, not a person, from the start. If Yoru actually does r*pe Denji next chapter, then that just means Asa's feelings only changed the possession from a sword to a sex toy. (Apparently you can't type the word Delta India Lima Delta Oscar)

WHICH I'D RATHER NOT SEE.
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You know what, I also realized something. Denji's first times with anything sexual have always been kind of bad, and/or he's realized they're not all they're cracked up to be. When he was going to have his first kiss with Himeno, she was drunk and threw up in his mouth. When touched Power's boobs, he realized it wasn't this incredible, life-chaning experience he thought it would be. It was more like a, "That's it?," moment (plus, Power padded her chest). The cycle might continue here with Denji's first time being, well, not a great time, to say the least.

Or maybe Denji and Yoru/Asa get into it, and Denji finally has a good experience since it's with someone he cares about. Who knows? (I hope it's this option, even if it's very unlikely).
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
You know what, I also realized something. Denji's first times with anything sexual have always been kind of bad, and/or he's realized they're not all they're cracked up to be. When he was going to have his first kiss with Himeno, she was drunk and threw up in his mouth. When touched Power's boobs, he realized it wasn't this incredible, life-chaning experience he thought it would be. It was more like a, "That's it?," moment (plus, Power padded her chest). The cycle might continue here with Denji's first time being, well, not a great time, to say the least.
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Also Reze bit off his tongue- it's always been bad!
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Or maybe Denji and Yoru/Asa get into it, and Denji finally has a good experience since it's with someone he cares about. Who knows? (I hope it's this option, even if it's very unlikely).
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While I wish that Denji and Asa could find some shred of relief, I doubt either of them are in the mood.
Zabazab said:
Asa I beg you please let your fear overtake Yoru's control
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There's a fanfic of that! (By Toggle1 the GOAT- here)
Epiccheev said:
I wonder if Tatsuki Fujimot ever received threats over killing his characters
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Oh he absolutely has received death threats-
"I don't show my face for fear of being killed."
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If Yoshida was able to make Pochita cough out ear through force should he not be above Quan xi what's weirder is that Quan Xi scales to this Yoshida because Quan xi is shown to be above yoru who was able to cut the octopus but when faced up against Quan xi gets one tapped the same yoru who was able to keep with Yoshida and arguably blitzed him preformed way worse against pochita (referring to pre gun tank yoru) yoshida didn't do great but he was able to tag him so yeah idk what to say
 
Famikiga said:
If Yoshida was able to make Pochita cough out ear through force should he not be above Quan xi what's weirder is that Quan Xi scales to this Yoshida because Quan xi is shown to be above yoru who was able to cut the octopus but when faced up against Quan xi gets one tapped the same yoru who was able to keep with Yoshida and arguably blitzed him preformed way worse against pochita (referring to pre gun tank yoru) yoshida didn't do great but he was able to tag him so yeah idk what to say
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...Did I have a stroke? Punctuation please.
 
Yoshida / Yoru / Quanxi scaling has already been talked about above.

And Octopus being able to squeeze Pochita is a showing of Lifting Strength, while Yoru cutting her way out of it is a showing of Durability. That's just a spider-silk moment for the Octopus Devil. (Insanely high LS but low Dura)
 
I'm personally of the opinion that not only does she amp her weapons but the weapons also amp her stats but that's kinda hard to prove.
 
"We live our lives filled with uncertainty, never knowing who or what we truly are, or what the future will bring. All we can do is imagine. Life becomes an unsolvable mystery with any number of twists and turns awaiting us. And that's enough to fill any soul with terror."
- Kishin Ashura Future Devil
 
23 more hours until Pochinker defeat the bi-weekly devil and release Peak Fiction again. Place your bet:
1: Brutal and abusive Segs the whole chapter (****** up ending)
2: Lovely gentle Segs (Fujimoto forgor how to Cook Ending - Worst Ending)
3: All the above are wrong and Fujimoto cook all of us into his peak fiction (Peak fiction Ending)
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
23 more hours until Pochinker defeat the bi-weekly devil and release Peak Fiction again. Place your bet:
1: Brutal and abusive Segs the whole chapter (****** up ending)
2: Lovely gentle Segs (Fujimoto forgor how to Cook Ending - Worst Ending)
3: All the above are wrong and Fujimoto cook all of us into his peak fiction (Peak fiction Ending)
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Yoshida appears out of nowhere again and goes, "Hey, what a coincidence meeting you guys here." to Denji and Asa for nostalgia's sake, except that it's actually a coincidence this time instead of him stalking their date.
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
23 more hours until Pochinker defeat the bi-weekly devil and release Peak Fiction again. Place your bet:
1: Brutal and abusive Segs the whole chapter (****** up ending)
2: Lovely gentle Segs (Fujimoto forgor how to Cook Ending - Worst Ending)
3: All the above are wrong and Fujimoto cook all of us into his peak fiction (Peak fiction Ending)
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4. All of the above, somehow.
 
The revelation of Asa and Yoru being different people will be dropped on Denji as Asa fights off Yoru's attempt to **** him, I feel
 
Zabazab said:
Kiga gotta put this primal in a pokéball
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If Aging immediately takes Fami seriously after telling her little sister to grow up and putting her in time-out, War stocks are never gonna recover.

Like, it wouldn't even be a huge surprise considering that she somehow got Falling, but Aging's been on a generational run and Pochita's morally GOATed, meaning only Yoru's left to look bad.
 
Speaking of Horsemen and Primals, I think I figured out what Makima used on Darkness.


Also, it's implied that Makima was using The Punishment Devil at the shrine in Kyoto, considering how the only other people there at the shrine besides Makima and the prisoners were Tendo and Kurose, both of whom are contracted with the Punishment Devil. Plus, killing life-sentenced prisoners in exchange for killing a stated name fits "Punishment." (Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth)
 
ElajRuengies said:
Speaking of Horsemen and Primals, I think I figured out what Makima used on Darkness.
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I considered this a couple months ago, but Mold Devil explicitly can't be regen'd and the difference in damage is huge.

ElajRuengies said:
Also, it's implied that Makima was using The Punishment Devil at the shrine in Kyoto
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Tendo outright says they have to wear blindfolds because they aren't permitted to know Makima's contract devils, no? Why do that if it's just a devil they're already contracted to.
 
Zabazab said:
I considered this a couple months ago, but Mold Devil explicitly can't be regen'd and the difference in damage is huge.
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True, but 1. Darkness is built different, 2. The gesture to use Mold is identical to what Makima does, and 3. Makima could simply be using way more/all of the Mold Devil for free, while normal contractors are limited by what they can give up.
Zabazab said:
Tendo outright says they have to wear blindfolds because they aren't permitted to know Makima's contract devils, no? Why do that if it's just a devil they're already contracted to.
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Because something would obviously be up if they saw her freely utilizing someone else's Devil contract.

Given that it's more or less confirmed that the finger gun is the Gun Devil's power (per Yoru stating that the Gun Devil's power doesn't work in Aging's world when she can't bang Denji or herself), not to mention that the Control Devil's only defined ability is mind control, her having general telekinesis as an innate ability is out the window.

As such, her point attack at Darkness and the hydraulic press attack from Kyoto could only have come from her utilizing other devils.
 
I'm pretty sure the abilities differ, as Shrine crushes the opponent's body, causing them to implode into a pool of blood. However, in the Darkness Devil's case, considering his forcefield, invulnerability, and attack reflection, that would be nearly impossible. Plus, Makima requires a high altitude for her Shrine ritual and a human life to say the name of the target for the ability to work effectively.

The finger point is just a more concentrated version of Makima's stare, which disrupts the target's internal structure. Ultimately, there's not enough evidence to say that it's the Punishment Devil, as both Shrine and the finger point work completely differently. Also, Shrine being a Punishment Devil technique contradicts what we saw in Makima vs the Gun Devil, which was a physical monster.
 
GunshyFever said:
I'm pretty sure the abilities differ, as Shrine crushes the opponent's body, causing them to implode into a pool of blood. However, in the Darkness Devil's case, considering his forcefield, invulnerability, and attack reflection, that would be nearly impossible. Plus, Makima requires a high altitude for her Shrine ritual and a human life to say the name of the target for the ability to work effectively.
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I never said the finger point was from the same source as the shrine.
GunshyFever said:
The finger point is just a more concentrated version of Makima's stare, which disrupts the target's internal structure. Ultimately, there's not enough evidence to say that it's the Punishment Devil, as both Shrine and the finger point work completely differently. Also, Shrine being a Punishment Devil technique contradicts what we saw in Makima vs the Gun Devil, which was a physical monster.
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Again, I never stated that the finger point was the Punishment Devil. I said that it was the Mold Devil, given the identical gestures and effects using it. See the imgur. Also, the multi-contract monster was an abnormal case in general.
 
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