Captain Ginyu (Namek Saga) Vs Cynder (DOTD)

[Finiznot]

Speed is NOT equalized, the reason for this is because I'm using Power Level 120,000 Ginyu, and despite the fact that Cynder is stronger than him, her reaction speed has a 1/2,500 to 1/5,000 probability to hit him, but if she does, chances are he's dead, due to the high gap of 5-A and High 5-A, however if he manages to do the body switch, and learns how to control her body, she's a goner because she isn't used to being in a two legged body with arms, and we know Ginyu can at least get used to a four legged creature's body, being as a frog, but I'll leave rest of the discussion up to you.

Area: Wayne Tower (Arkham City)

Captain Ginyu:

Cynder: Naeem0304, Koopa3144

Inconclusive:TiGamiBachi25, Vizer04, CelestialVortex01

 

[Naeem0304]

Ginyu upscales from Post-Gravity Goku's speed of 108x FTL which would make his combat speed at least 2160.02x higher than Cnyder's, however, he's an honorable fighter in-character and doesn't do dirty tricks unless he's pushed so I can see him allowing Cnyder to show off her gimmicks. Cynder scales around 17500x higher AP-wise and has better hax abilities (slowing down time, mild-clairvoyance, and atomic deconstruction from the Dark Aether.) I think Cynder wins an in-character battle by going for a one-shot (and Ginyu likes to fight fair, so he'd let it happen and not realize he's getting knocked out in one full power strike.)

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Ginyu upscales from Post-Gravity Goku's speed of 108x FTL which would make his combat speed at least 2160.02x higher than Cnyder's, however, he's an honorable fighter in-character and doesn't do dirty tricks unless he's pushed so I can see him allowing Cnyder to show off her gimmicks. Cynder scales around 17500x higher AP-wise and has better hax abilities (slowing down time, mild-clairvoyance, and atomic deconstruction from the Dark Aether.) I think Cynder wins an in-character battle by going for a one-shot (and Ginyu likes to fight fair, so he'd let it happen and not realize he's getting knocked out in one full power strike.)

If Ginyu has a 2000x speed advantage and Cyner has a 17500x AP advantage, isn't this a stomp?

 

[Finiznot]

If Ginyu has a 2000x speed advantage and Cyner has a 17500x AP advantage, isn't this a stomp?

Lets not forget that Ginyu could switch bodies with her, and since these two are not bloodlusted, he could catch her by surprise, because he's fast enough to do it.

 

[Naeem0304]

Lets not forget that Ginyu could switch bodies with her, and since these two are not bloodlusted, he could catch her by surprise, because he's fast enough to do it.

True although you have to consider the fact that he doesn't lead with body-swapping unless he knows that his opponent is stronger than himself (which would also mean he'd have to survive an attack or two from Cnyder) so that depends.

 

[Naeem0304]

If Ginyu has a 2000x speed advantage and Cyner has a 17500x AP advantage, isn't this a stomp?

Pretty much although it's possible to argue Ginyu winning through a surprise body-swap given his speed although he doesn't lead with it.

 

[Vizer04]

wait til ginyu becomes high 5-A again

 

[Vizer04]

True although you have to consider the fact that he doesn't lead with body-swapping unless he knows that his opponent is stronger than himself (which would also mean he'd have to survive an attack or two from Cnyder) so that depends.

He will know thanks to his scouter.

 

[koopa3144]

If Ginyu has a 2000x speed advantage Cynder can't really do anything even with her 17500x AP advantage so this is prob a stomp.

 

[Naeem0304]

He will know thanks to his scouter.

Good point. Does Ginyu's scouter have the ability to fully read Cynder's power level like Frieza's scouter? (I remember some advanced scouter models would exploded around the 180k PL range which would be high Large Planet or low Brown Dwarf level and Cynder is a higher level of Brown Dwarf level so it's possible Ginyu would spend time reading it before it explodes.)
But yeah, the scouter gives Ginyu a very good chance at winning

 

[Vizer04]

Captain Ginyu FRA

 

[koopa3144]

Gonna note that if Ginyu swaps bodies with Cynder he's gonna become 2000x slower then Cynder in his body so he won't be able to hit her or even swap back to his original body. Pretty sure this match just doesn't work.

 

[Vizer04]

Gonna note that if Ginyu swaps bodies with Cynder he's gonna become 2000x slower then Cynder in his body so he won't be able to hit her or even swap back to his original body. Pretty sure this match just doesn't work.

He can injure his own body before the swap

 

[koopa3144]

He can injure his own body before the swap

Unless he completely cripples himself before he uses Body Change, Cynder is still gonna be able to easily avoid attack Ginyu throws at her while in her body due to the massive speed difference.

 

[Vizer04]

Unless he completely cripples himself before he uses Body Change, Cynder is still gonna be able to easily avoid attack Ginyu throws at her while in her body due to the massive speed difference.

How? She's gonna have a hard time running with a hole in her chest.

 

[koopa3144]

How? She's gonna have a hard time running with a hole in her chest.

Iirc Goku was still able to move while in Ginyu's injured body and considering the large speed diffidence between them (Massively FTL vs Sub-Relativistic) Cynder in Ginyu's body is gonna is gonna have ample time to get herself together and avoid Ginyu's attacks.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Guess I'll go incon

 

[Vizer04]

Incon it is then

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Inconclusive, cynder will either one shot Capitan ginyu or captain ginyu will switch his body with cynder's

 

[Mickey1940]

Unless he completely cripples himself before he uses Body Change, Cynder is still gonna be able to easily avoid attack Ginyu throws at her while in her body due to the massive speed difference.

that's what he normally does

the first time we've seen him do it, he shoved his fist into his own heart and nearly killed himself


Ginyu's scouter should give him a generally good idea of how strong Cynder is, but if he sees Cynder's projectiles moving slower than molasses he's going to just dodge it
like yes Cynder has 1 shot attacks but Ginyu gets knowledge of her "power level" and knows that if he gets hit he gets sh*t on so there's nothing stopping him from just dodging everything and trying to kill her

If that doesn't work, he could just cripple himself and then change bodies and then just run away while Cynder (Ginyu) bleeds to death on the floor, cuz that's what he did to Goku

so Ginyu probably wins if he just switches and then runs

 

[Vizer04]

that's what he normally does

the first time we've seen him do it, he shoved his fist into his own heart and nearly killed himself


Ginyu's scouter should give him a generally good idea of how strong Cynder is, but if he sees Cynder's projectiles moving slower than molasses he's going to just dodge it
like yes Cynder has 1 shot attacks but Ginyu gets knowledge of her "power level" and knows that if he gets hit he gets sh*t on so there's nothing stopping him from just dodging everything and trying to kill her

If that doesn't work, he could just cripple himself and then change bodies and then just run away while Cynder (Ginyu) bleeds to death on the floor, cuz that's what he did to Goku

so Ginyu probably wins if he just switches and then runs

He can't run, she would obtain his body and higher speed.

 

[koopa3144]

that's what he normally does

the first time we've seen him do it, he shoved his fist into his own heart and nearly killed himself

If that doesn't work, he could just cripple himself and then change bodies and then just run away while Cynder (Ginyu) bleeds to death on the floor, cuz that's what he did to Goku

Rereading the chap where he swaps bodies with Goku and hurts himself, while his body is heavily injured it doesn't seem like Goku is in danger of dying because of the wound and could still fly around. Unless Ginyu hurts himself to the point of being completely paralyzed and immobile before he uses Body Swap on Cynder, Cynder is gonna be able to avoid Ginyu's attacks in her body cause of the massive speed difference in her favor due to now being in Ginyu's body.

 

[Finiznot]

Rereading the chap where he swaps bodies with Goku and hurts himself, while his body is heavily injured it doesn't seem like Goku is in danger of dying because of the wound and could still fly around. Unless Ginyu hurts himself to the point of being completely paralyzed and immobile before he uses Body Swap on Cynder, Cynder is gonna be able to avoid Ginyu's attacks in her body cause of the massive speed difference in her favor due to now being in Ginyu's body.

Could the wound potentially mess with Ginyu's speed?

 

[koopa3144]

Could the wound potentially mess with Ginyu's speed?

It might a little it it wouldn't lower it enough to close the massive gap.

 

[Finiznot]

There is something else about Ginyu's speed I am curious about, since he is over 2,000 times faster than Cynder, would he be able to damage if he managed to hit within 9 seconds, adding up his 18,000 hits on her 17,500 times greater durability?

 

[Vizer04]

I'm pretty sure with such a speed difference Ginyu won't be able to touch her

 

[Mickey1940]

Rereading the chap where he swaps bodies with Goku and hurts himself, while his body is heavily injured it doesn't seem like Goku is in danger of dying because of the wound and could still fly around. Unless Ginyu hurts himself to the point of being completely paralyzed and immobile before he uses Body Swap on Cynder, Cynder is gonna be able to avoid Ginyu's attacks in her body cause of the massive speed difference in her favor due to now being in Ginyu's body.

does Cynder have Goku's level of stamina

liike Goku has fought under worse conditions before. Still being able to fight with a hole in your chest is easier said than done

 

[Vizer04]

ike Goku has fought under worse conditions before. Still being able to fight with a hole in your chest is easier said than done

There's no fight to be had here, if Cynder gets punched by Ginyu she loses, end of story. All she can do is escape with her superior speed.

 

[Mickey1940]

There's no fight to be had here, if Cynder gets punched by Ginyu she loses, end of story. All she can do is escape with her superior speed.

but Ginyu also escapes in character after stealing a body

Cynder would just bleed out

 

[Vizer04]

That's why we voted incon

 

[koopa3144]

Ngl after looking at it a bit more, I don't think Cynders profile should be used. The profile very old and has zero scans for anything plus. The profile also uses uncredited fanart for the Dark Cynder image. The verse also doesn't have any on site calcs which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed anymore.

 

[Finiznot]

Ngl after looking at it a bit more, I don't think Cynders profile should be used. The profile very old and has zero scans for anything plus. The profile also uses uncredited fanart for the Dark Cynder image. The verse also doesn't have any on site calcs which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed anymore.

I've noticed a lot of dead Imgur links on this wiki, and if you ask me we're probably going to need a white listing of who can send Imgur links so that we won't end up with dead ones, especially the Naruto profiles.