CAN SHIKI KILL SERVANTS?!?! (and Masters too...)

[Xmark12]

Yeah, I'm bringing the cancer here...

Ryougi Shiki runs a Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night gauntlet!

Rules:

• Speed equalized.

• Base Shiki with Kanesada Kuji.
• For aruments sake let's say Shiki ca kill Servants.

• Both Servants and Masters are included in this match-up.
• Shiki fights Masters first then Servants.
• Shiki can only fight one person per round and will heal up as well as rest after a fight if she wins.
• Gilgamesh is not going to be in this fight (Unless someone can argue that Shiki can win against him). Berserker (Fate/Stay Night) may be restricted too depending on how this goes, but he's allowed for now.

• Shiki is bloodlusted but everyone else is in-character.

• Win by whatever they would do in-character to win.

• Any character that has been shown to need prep. time will be allowed one day of prep. (This may change depending on whether this would be too much of an advantage to the ones opposing Shiki).

• Every match takes place outside of Emiya's house at midnight, but they can go everywhere around Fuyuki City that doesn't have any innocents nearby.

• Other than all of those, Standard Battle Assumptions apply.

(We can change the rules at any time to make the match more fair)

Battle Music

Where does she stop? LET THE WAR BEGIN!

 

[Xmark12]

I am the bone of my bump...

 

[Schnee_One]

She dies on Kirei.

 

[Xmark12]

Elaborate?

 

[Gemmysaur]

>Speed unequalized so Ryougi gets HHS speed (Mach 25).

>Servants are generally around Mach 45 HHS reactions.

What.

 

[Schnee_One]

Kirei's superior speed, Angra Mainu, and multiple other abilities net him the win.

Kiritsugu kills her as well.

 

[Xmark12]

I thought Servants were HHS in reactions only, and HS+ in everything else, including combat speed, my bad. My mindset was like: "They can react just fine, but may not be able to dodge some of her attacks quick enough becasue they only have HS+ speed over-all."

Equalizing speed if need be.

Also Kirei only has superior reactions, not superior speed over-all, and Shiki still has a powerful skill set that can definitely end Kirei, such as MEoDP and Combat Clairvoyance. Also keep in mind that Shiki is bloodlusted and Kirei isn't.

Elaborate on Kiritsugu killing her as well?

 

[Schnee_One]

Mach 45 to Mach 25 reactions.

Yes Kirei is superior in speed

 

[Xmark12]

Shiki seems to be Mach 25 overall, not just reaction speed, so even if Kirei is faster in reactions, he isn't in something arguably more important like combat speed. He can react, but he may not be able to move his body fast enough to dodge an attack.

 

[Schnee_One]

Kirei is Mach 45 in reactions and combat speed as he fought evenly with true Assasin.

 

[Xmark12]

All Servants I see on Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night have HHS in reactions only. I don't see any of them with the added "combat speed". If this is a mistake and they do have HHS combat speed, someone should fix this.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Reaction speed and combat speed are typically considered to be the same thing.

 

[Xmark12]

Really?

From the Speed page:

Combat Speed
The speed at which a character can fight.

Reaction Speed
Reaction speed is the speed at which a character can react to an event or action. This usually only grants a short movement upon reaction, whereas several movements at the same speed switch it to combat speed.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Just one or two mishaps is gonna easily be taken advantage of by someone with higher reflexes. For example, black key to the shadow.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

The description is different, but they're considered to be the same for convenience. Seriously, i'd be surprised if you found even a single page that actually has both listed separately. Doesn't even need to be both, i don't even remember the last time i saw a page with combat speed instead of reaction speed.

 

[Schnee_One]

Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII)

And

Lyle (Paradise Lost) are both listed separately

 

[Xmark12]

@Gemmy that's true.

Would this match be more fair speed equalized then? Shiki's already bloodlusted and everyone else is in-character.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes.

Still, she dies on Kirei and Kiritsugu, possibly Kayneth

 

[Xmark12]

Now that speed is equalized, that's one less advantage for Kirei and Kiritsugu. Mind elaborating on how they'd win?

 

[Gemmysaur]

Kiritsugu can blitz in speed equal because time control = / = speed.

 

[Xmark12]

Welp, now we're at a predicament...

We can unequalize speed just for the Kiritsugu fight...

Or we can just equalize the speed anyways, making Time Accel useless...

Orrrr, we just let him blitz.

Also isn't there any matches where all speed was equalized in a Kiritsugu fight anyways?

 

[Gemmysaur]

I don't know or remember. Kiritsugu doesn't have a notable fight in his profile.

Equalize is best. Just that Kiri is an ass like that.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Speed Equalised doesn't affect speed alterations via time manipulation, so Time Alter Double Accel is going to mess Shiki up by making Kiri twice as fast as she is for a few moments.

 

[CoffeeBlindBird]

You don't really need a "For argument's sake" thing because MEODP can already kill Servants. Since this is base form Shiki and not Void, pretty much I agree with everyone here.

 

[ShiroEinzbern]

update, Void Shiki is 1-C

 

[ShiroEinzbern]

plus Shiki is connected to Akasha, she could wish whatever she wants from akasha— soooo yeah

Void Shiki = Avatar of Akasha

 

[Schnee_One]

This is 9B Shiki

As literally said in the OP

 

[ShiroEinzbern]

oh— woops, em not myself atm