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Broly vs. Vegito Blue.
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What is the point?
24 hours rule already done. The debate above it just going in the circle.
There is no way feat of overpower post-ToP SSG vegeta and Goku is that much lower then Vegito blue power
And don't forget about broly grow rate too, hack! even after Goku goes SSB Broly still can keep up him even tho he losing.
Just accept it that Broly grow rate is insane and the reason he going to win is because of it.
24 hours rule already done. The debate above it just going in the circle.
There is no way feat of overpower post-ToP SSG vegeta and Goku is that much lower then Vegito blue power
And don't forget about broly grow rate too, hack! even after Goku goes SSB Broly still can keep up him even tho he losing.
Just accept it that Broly grow rate is insane and the reason he going to win is because of it.
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And just take a look at the profile! The result is already added!
I'm not saying that the debate unnecessary but.....come on man this is VS thread! This thread is for vote and debate about who win in this fight and we already has QnA thread + CR thread for this stuffs. Just go there instead.
I'm not saying that the debate unnecessary but.....come on man this is VS thread! This thread is for vote and debate about who win in this fight and we already has QnA thread + CR thread for this stuffs. Just go there instead.
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The point is that this match is faulty.
It doesn't matter if 24 hours have passed. Most of Broly's votes are faulty.
What? I can't even read what you're saying.
Broly wasn't losing to SSB Goku. They were evenly matched.
His "grow rate" is impressive, but his base form isn't strong enough to keep up with Vegito.
It shouldn't have been added to the profile.
That's not what those threads are for.
It doesn't matter if 24 hours have passed. Most of Broly's votes are faulty.
What? I can't even read what you're saying.
Broly wasn't losing to SSB Goku. They were evenly matched.
His "grow rate" is impressive, but his base form isn't strong enough to keep up with Vegito.
It shouldn't have been added to the profile.
That's not what those threads are for.
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Broly's votes are faulty. SSB Vegito takes this very decively. People are overplaying Broly to an absurd degree. Broly is equal to Broly Saga SSJ Vegeta. Broly Saga SSJ Vegeta is slightly stronger than Post ToP Vegeta who is much stronger than ToP Vegeta who is stronger than Goku Black Saga SSJ Vegeta. Let's be generous and say Broly Saga SSJ Vegeta = Goku Black Saga SSG Vegeta. SSB Vegito on the other hand, was stronger than Fusion Zamasu, who effortlessly overpowered SSB Vegeta (Stronger than SSG Vegeta), SSB Goku (Equal to SSB Vegeta), and SS2 Future Trunks (Somewhat comparable to SSB Vegeta) all at once. Vegito has quite a large power advantage. Combine that with more abilities and skills, and Vegito wins quite easily.
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In fact, Post-ToP Vegeta is equal to Post-ToP Goku, who is stronger or at least relative to Post 2nd UIS Goku, who is stronger than Base Vegetto who is stronger than SSJBKKx10 Goku (Black-arc) going by fusion statements.
both have different scalings:
SSJB Vegito >/< Fusion Zamasu >>>> SSJG, SSJ3, 2 and 1 Vegito > Base Vegito >>> SSJBKKx10 Goku (Black-arc).
Base Broly >/= SSJ Vegeta (post-ToP) >>> Base Vegeta >(or at least =) Base Goku (post-2nd UIS) >>> Base Vegito (Black-arc)
both are kinda comparable in tbh.
And imo there's no point arguing over this since it has already been added to Broly's profile. just need someone to add it to Vegito's.
both have different scalings:
SSJB Vegito >/< Fusion Zamasu >>>> SSJG, SSJ3, 2 and 1 Vegito > Base Vegito >>> SSJBKKx10 Goku (Black-arc).
Base Broly >/= SSJ Vegeta (post-ToP) >>> Base Vegeta >(or at least =) Base Goku (post-2nd UIS) >>> Base Vegito (Black-arc)
both are kinda comparable in tbh.
And imo there's no point arguing over this since it has already been added to Broly's profile. just need someone to add it to Vegito's.
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Cal is 100% correct. The Dragon Ball Fanbase needs to stop being so obssessed with scaling chains and multipliers and numerically quantifying everything, because it gets ridiculous.
The best you can say about Dragon Ball characters without getting into the comically absurd it's that they're immensely above baseline 3-A down to an unquantifiable amount. That's it.
Arbitrary Multipliers for Training Boosts, Transformation Boosts, Zenkai Boosts and what have you are not canon, and are not valid ways of debating. Get your mind out of theSeth gutter.
The best you can say about Dragon Ball characters without getting into the comically absurd it's that they're immensely above baseline 3-A down to an unquantifiable amount. That's it.
Arbitrary Multipliers for Training Boosts, Transformation Boosts, Zenkai Boosts and what have you are not canon, and are not valid ways of debating. Get your mind out of the
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Also, Vegito wins easily. The notion that Base is stronger than Vegito Blue is absolutely inane and based purely on headcanon multipliers going around on this thread.
But Broly is the new hot sensation in the Dragon Ball Setting so we gotta ride him..
But Broly is the new hot sensation in the Dragon Ball Setting so we gotta ride him..
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Cal is 100% correct. The Dragon Ball Fanbase needs to stop being so obssessed with scaling chains and multipliers and numerically quantifying everything, because it gets ridiculous.
Tbh I think this is an issue with chain scaling in general. People seem to think that having chain scaling makes you like 2-5 times stronger, despite even with the biggest chain scaling they'd only be stronger by an unknown amount.
Tbh I think this is an issue with chain scaling in general. People seem to think that having chain scaling makes you like 2-5 times stronger, despite even with the biggest chain scaling they'd only be stronger by an unknown amount.
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Yup, that's exactly a problem.
They think that everytim a character beats another decisively they must be twice, thrice, or ten times as stronger, or some even higher number. "This guy one-shot the other, he must be a hundred times stronger!"
That's not how it works. Literally the energy gap (in Joules) between what's produced by an average human standing still and the most energetic punch ever recorded to have been thrown by a heavyweight professional fighter in history, a punch which would literally kill any of us here were it hit in the head with it... is about 15 times.
You don't need to be so astronomically stronger than your opponent to stomp them.
They think that everytim a character beats another decisively they must be twice, thrice, or ten times as stronger, or some even higher number. "This guy one-shot the other, he must be a hundred times stronger!"
That's not how it works. Literally the energy gap (in Joules) between what's produced by an average human standing still and the most energetic punch ever recorded to have been thrown by a heavyweight professional fighter in history, a punch which would literally kill any of us here were it hit in the head with it... is about 15 times.
You don't need to be so astronomically stronger than your opponent to stomp them.
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" The best you can say about Dragon Ball characters without getting into the comically absurd it's that they're immensely above baseline 3-A down to an unquantifiable amount. That's it."
What's the difference between immensely unquantifiable and unquantifiable?
What's the difference between immensely unquantifiable and unquantifiable?
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I mean, both scale by being hilariously above Black-arc Super Saiyan Blue (and even SSJBKK) and the main reason people really voted for Broly was via RE and not because he started with higher AP. But I see the point on the people who think Broly would win this.Matthew Schroeder said:
btw, you may think scaling is the wrong way to decide this match but I believe Vegito is far more impressive in that and more and thus I think he wins (Tho I can't vote lol)
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@Matthew So what you're saying is ignore all the power ups Goku and co have gained throughout the series even if it's blatantly shown that Goku's SSG form from the next arc is comparable to his SSB form from the previous arc which was shown to be comparable to his SSBKKx10 form from the arc before this. And also ignore all the multipliers even the ones accepted on the site such as Kaioken multipliers and SS1 being 40x base merely because otherwise the numbers get absurd?
Cause that's what I'm getting when you said the multiplier scaling gained from training boosts, transformation boosts, and zenkai boosts are not canon and are not valid ways of debating. Even though powerscaling is the main form of debate for series like Dragon Ball which focuses mostly on raw power.
Cause that's what I'm getting when you said the multiplier scaling gained from training boosts, transformation boosts, and zenkai boosts are not canon and are not valid ways of debating. Even though powerscaling is the main form of debate for series like Dragon Ball which focuses mostly on raw power.
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No, it's not blatantly shown. And a lot of it is still speculation, I'm sorry.
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None of it is speculation. Almost all of his boosts are really blatant.
After the Future Trunks Saga SSB Goku stalemates Hit who became even stronger than when he stalemated SSBKKx10 Goku in the U6 Tournament Saga.
By the Universe Survival Saga before any limit break boost his SSG form is able to keep up with Base Dyspo who was initially overpowering an even stronger Hit.
After the first limit break boost he was shown to be able to keep up with and even somewhat injure LSS1 Kefla who was stated by Whis to be on par with the U7 Spirit Bomb with SSBKK.
After the second limit break boost he was able to keep up with Casual Jiren who is stronger than the First UIS and push him into using a hint of his true power with just SSB.
All of these are pretty blatant power boosts. None of them are speculation. Most of these stuff are already mentioned on his profile.
Speculation is something like Future Trunks Saga Vegito being comparable to Kefla even though he doesn't have any characters from the ToP to scale to.
After the Future Trunks Saga SSB Goku stalemates Hit who became even stronger than when he stalemated SSBKKx10 Goku in the U6 Tournament Saga.
By the Universe Survival Saga before any limit break boost his SSG form is able to keep up with Base Dyspo who was initially overpowering an even stronger Hit.
After the first limit break boost he was shown to be able to keep up with and even somewhat injure LSS1 Kefla who was stated by Whis to be on par with the U7 Spirit Bomb with SSBKK.
After the second limit break boost he was able to keep up with Casual Jiren who is stronger than the First UIS and push him into using a hint of his true power with just SSB.
All of these are pretty blatant power boosts. None of them are speculation. Most of these stuff are already mentioned on his profile.
Speculation is something like Future Trunks Saga Vegito being comparable to Kefla even though he doesn't have any characters from the ToP to scale to.
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Future trunks arc vegeta x goku plus whatever multiplier you wanna say ssb is you're saying that it's stronger than post top vegeta with all of the zenkais and power ups gained in the top alone note that vegeta went from being on par with base Toppo to stomping g.o.d Toppo in that same tournament
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Vegito blue from the zamasu arc is 50x a significantly stronger vegeta?IkaniL said:
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Do you just completely disregard all power ups zenkais and multipliers?
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Switching over to Vegito low-diff FRA, btw.
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Vegito fra.
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Well the match was already over and has been added a long time ago. So this thread needs to be closed and if people want to remake the match they'll have to make a new thread. Since I'm pretty sure you can't restart an entire thread after it has already ended over a month ago.
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The thread is already done
I don't understand why people refuse to accept the power increases that characters have between after and even during arcs
Potara fusion is the power of character a times character b
Add on ssb idk what kind of multiplier you want to use for that because apparently everything sans kaioken is absurd and headcanon
So you are saying Future trunks arc vegeta times future trunks arc Goku plus supersaiyan blue is stronger than a character who caused post TOP vegeta to go super saiyan god
Let me note that during the top vegeta went from being smacked around to stomping god of destruction Toppo
So going off the logic that vegito blue is stronger than broly we get
Vegito blue from the future trunks arc>broly>post top vegeta= post top goku>limit breaker jiren>100% jiren>ssbe vegeta>g.o.d toppo
I don't understand why people refuse to accept the power increases that characters have between after and even during arcs
Potara fusion is the power of character a times character b
Add on ssb idk what kind of multiplier you want to use for that because apparently everything sans kaioken is absurd and headcanon
So you are saying Future trunks arc vegeta times future trunks arc Goku plus supersaiyan blue is stronger than a character who caused post TOP vegeta to go super saiyan god
Let me note that during the top vegeta went from being smacked around to stomping god of destruction Toppo
So going off the logic that vegito blue is stronger than broly we get
Vegito blue from the future trunks arc>broly>post top vegeta= post top goku>limit breaker jiren>100% jiren>ssbe vegeta>g.o.d toppo
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>Vegeta
>Stomped GoD Toppo
>Had to use a move that literally killed him before to win
>Stomped GoD Toppo
>Had to use a move that literally killed him before to win
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This should just be closed.
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He was stronger and had better ki control so the move wouldn't kill himThe real cal howard said:
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