Broly vs. Vegito Blue.

[JackJoyce]

Yes I know it's an outlier. The entire Future Trunks arc was horrible powerscaling wise.

Anyways I vote for Broly by reactive evolution

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I honestly think Pokemon is 2-A because mirror cave but that's debunkec/disagreed with

Broly fra

 

[Peter1129]

Only the last few episodes of the Future Trunks Saga had really bad powerscaling. The earlier episodes we're actually quite consistent other than in a few scenes.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Not my fault they don't have feats backing it up.

ABC logic applies to everything, not just DB. DB gets enough special treatment as it is.

No, because Goku scales to feats far above Raditz due to being tier 4, and more importantly, Nappa was stomping multiple people who are each on Raditz's level casually.

Again, Meth's mindhax is just that high. They're different cases.

You see how characters can scale to higher tiers when the range of the tier isn't infinite. You see how this isn't possible when said tier is infinite.

And what?

You literally said that Meth's AP multiplier was disregarded due to being ridiculously big, not the fact that it was an outlier, but you have no problem when the same multiplier comes to mind hax because it is "just that high"?

That's a double standard.

 

[JackJoyce]

Tbh I have no idea why Kefla is Low 2-C but SSB vegito is not

 

[Warren_Valion]

I don't like things I find stupid and for kids being so stupidly powerful for no good reason.

Digimon, Pokemon, et cetera.

But reality doesn't bend to my will. So I ignore it.

 

[Peter1129]

Kefla scales to a Low 2-C and her fusee Kale scales to a much stronger Goku who can defeat both Vegeta and himself from the previous arc by himself due to how much stronger he's gotten.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Edited my comment.

Except none of these characters have jumped tiers. Not without feats at least.

No, I explicitly said that Meth doesn't need a multiplier to have the best 3-D mindhax. His feat is all the darkness that has, does, and ever will exist. Nothing can top that. Not Sailor Moon, not Star Wars, nothing. I couldn't care less about a multiplier, as no matter what it is, it makes an already stupid and Suggs-y feat even more stupid and Suggs-y.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I don't like things I find stupid and for kids being so stupidly powerful for no good reason.

Digimon, Pokemon, et cetera.

But reality doesn't bend to my will. So I ignore it.

Does that mean you don't like Pokémon, Digimon, and etc.?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Tbh I have no idea why Kefla is Low 2-C but SSB vegito is not

Why are you comparing Kefla to Vegito? Kefla scales to a Low 2-C feat, and the character got a lot stronger between arcs.


Hell, that's actual proof the difference between the characters.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Edited my comment.

Except none of these characters have jumped tiers. Not without feats at least.

No, I explicitly said that Meth doesn't need a multiplier to have the best 3-D mindhax. His feat is all the darkness that has, does, and ever will exist. Nothing can top that. Not Sailor Moon, not Star Wars, nothing. I couldn't care less about a multiplier, as no matter what it is, it makes an already stupid and Suggs-y feat even more stupid and Suggs-y.

What are you talking about?

Meth's mind hax comes from humanity's fear of the dark from the beginning of time to the present day (including all of Merc's resets), not that he is "the darkness of all time" including the future.

Where did you get this? It's the at least decillions reset multiplier that makes Meth's mindhax the best 3-D mindhax on the wiki.

Did you compare Dies Irae to Suggsverse? Those are fighting words, Catboi.

And yeah, I don't like Pokemon and Digimon and other verses like it. Problem?

 

[JackJoyce]

Kefla scales to a Low 2-C and her fusee Kale scales to a much stronger Goku who can defeat both Vegeta and himself from the previous arc by himself due to how much stronger he's gotten.

Yet Gohan can keep up with TOP Goku by just training a day LMAO

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Nah, no problem. It's understandable that people don't like Pokemon and Digimon.

Even then, Meth's mindhax beats out everything. Also, about the reset multiplier, we don't fully disregard it. Meth and those who scale are considered the strongest 5-B due to it despite coming from a baseline 5-B statement. That mostly comes from the fact that it's not a real multiplier. And what's that "decillions" thing about?

It was. It would've inspired Lionel instead of GetBackers if it existed at the time. Fite this catboi.

 

[Peter1129]

Yet Gohan can keep up with TOP Goku by just training a day LMAO

Hey at least it's not like the manga where Gohan surpasses Goku and could tie with Kefla after a day of training.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yet Gohan can keep up with TOP Goku by just training a day LMAO

Gohan went from 4-B to 3-A in like a day, Lmao.

DBS is so stupid.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Trunks went from High 4-C to 3-A via achieving a 4-B (w/o god ki) transformation.

 

[Warren_Valion]

And what's that "decillions" thing about?

It was. It would've inspired Lionel instead of GetBackers if it existed at the time. Fite this catboi.

At the end of the universes time, Merc resets time back to the Big Bang as according to his Law. His law makes the multiverse repeat endlessly. Merc has done this so many ******* times that he lost count after a decillion, so the multiplier could be even bigger.

And I've almost killed my sister for making me less angry then you have, I will Liam Neeson from Taken your ass straight into Lucifer's chambers, don't test me catboi, Suggs is too illiterate to read Dies Irae prologue, so he couldn't wank.

 

[Omegas03]

The strongest Dragon Ball 3-As are in the billions or trillions via sheer scaling and multipliers though.

To be fair. millions of times Baseline can be done

Goku (Broly-arc) > (over 20x, assume 40x) Goku (post-UIS2) > (likely over tens of times) Goku (post-UIS1) > (2-4x) Goku (pre-UIS) > (40x) Goku (Zamasu-arc) > (likely tens of times) SSJG Goku (BoG) = 5x Baseline.

Base Goku = somewhat over 1,600,000x Baseline 3-A doesn't look too bad lol.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You didn't have to quote the whole thing lol

 

[LightinAnt]

Broly fra

 

[BenAttackX]

Didnt watch the movie yet, Does Broly stronger then ssgss gogeta?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Didnt watch the movie yet, Does Broly stronger then ssgss gogeta?

>SSGSS

Been a long time since I saw that.

 

[Peter1129]

Thing is SSG Goku is 2x baseline 3-A. SS1 Goku after absorbing SSG is at least 4x baseline 3-A. Base Goku after breaking his limits is at least 8x baseline 3-A. So you have to apply the multipliers starting from base instead of SSG. Also you missed some power ups in between sagas in your scaling chain.

Also we only need one more vote for Broly before grace period.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Also... To prove that the UI increases are rather ridiculous:

A weakened Base Goku (Post UIO Goku) tanked a direct assault from Jiren and atated he never got hit with a attack like that .... But managed to get up after it with little to no scars ( Even after fighting Kefla and Jiren previously using UIO 1st, which should prove the power increases every UI + zenkai are insane).

Anyways... Broly is likely stronger due to scaling from Post-ToP Base Base Vegeta ,and this Vegito is known to be arrogant. So even if Vegito is stronger, Broly would eventually overwhelm him, if not stomp him a few minutes into the fight.

 

[WarriorofMite]

Broly FRA

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

We're did x40 multipler come from?

 

[Peter1129]

SS1 isn't accepted as 50x. Instead it's accepted as 40x scaling from 100% Frieza being 2x stronger than 50% Frieza who is equal to KKx20.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Vegito takes it easily. Broly was quite a lot stronger than SSJ Vegeta. Meanwhile, Base Vegito was way stronger than both SSBKKx10 Goku and SSB Vegeta put together.

 

[AguilaR101]

Jin Mo-Ri goes from High 5-A to possibly 4-A based on multipliers alone, obviously this is because the level of scrutiny for that profile isn't as high as other verses.

that's tangentially related to the topic though, legitimately, for out of universe battles we can only assume high end DB characters (that aren't low 2-C) to be 400x~800x (thanks to double 20x kaioken stack fromm SSBKK20) above Base Goku's intial 5x baseline 3-A feat, because those are the accepted multipliers.

 

[Omegas03]

@Sptflcrw Though, Base Broly scales to a Vegeta much stronger than the one Base/SSJB Vegito scales to. I think I gonna need a bit more reasoning to count your vote.

 

[Peter1129]

@AguilaR101 End of Battle of Gods Base Goku is 8x baseline 3-A not 5x baseline 3-A. Also there are a lot more power boosts and multipliers in between sagas. So no matter what you do the strongest 3-As of DBS would be around millions of times baseline 3-A.

 

[Sptflcrw]

@Sptflcrw
Though, Base Broly scales to a Vegeta much stronger than the one Base/SSJB Vegito scales to. I think I gonna need a bit more reasoning to count your vote.

It's absurd to believe that ToP SSJ Vegeta is anywhere even close to Goku Black SSBKKx10 Goku and SSB Vegeta combined.

 

[Peter1129]

@Sptflcrw Read this

So the scaling for both goes like this.

Base Vegito = (Future Trunks Saga SSBKKx10 Goku + Future Trunks Saga SSB Vegeta) x 20-100. And now you stack the transformations on top of him.

Base Broly is somewhere between much weaker than Post-ToP SSG Vegeta and much stronger than Post-ToP SS1 Vegeta who is 40x stronger than Post-ToP Base Vegeta who should be comparable to Post-ToP Base Goku who is stronger than Pre-UIS SSBKK Goku who is 2x-20x stronger than Pre-UIS SSB Goku who is 40x stronger than Pre-UIS SSG Goku who is stronger than Future Trunks Saga SSB Goku.

 

[Sptflcrw]

@AguilaR101 End of Battle of Gods Base Goku is 8x baseline 3-A not 5x baseline 3-A. Also there are a lot more power boosts and multipliers in between sagas. So no matter what you do the strongest 3-As of DBS would be around millions of times baseline 3-A.

No they wouldn't lol.

 

[LightinAnt]

@Sptflcrw
Though, Base Broly scales to a Vegeta much stronger than the one Base/SSJB Vegito scales to. I think I gonna need a bit more reasoning to count your vote.

It's absurd to believe that ToP SSJ Vegeta is anywhere even close to Goku Black SSBKKx10 Goku and SSB Vegeta combined.

I mean Merged Zamasu kept up with that Vegito, traded blows with him and tanked his final kamehameha. He is pretty irrelevant power wise

 

[Sptflcrw]

What's UIS? I

 

[Peter1129]

Ultra Instinct Sign

 

[Omegas03]

Ultra Instinct -sign-

Post-ToP Base saiyans are much stronger because an Weakened Goku outperformed Golden Freeza and Android 17 who are SSJB Goku (pre-UIS) level or higher.

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[Sptflcrw]

Ultra Instinct -sign-
Post-ToP Base saiyans are much stronger because an Weakened Goku outperformed Golden Freeza and Android 17 who are SSJB Goku (pre-UIS) level or higher.

EDIT: Ninja'd

lol that's horseshit. He didn't outperform them, not to mention the fact that Goku used SSJ in that fight. Plus, Frieza was weakened and was in base, and 17 didn't do anything besides shoot like, 2 ki blasts during that fight.

 

[Peter1129]

Post-UI Base Goku stopped Jiren blast that overpowered Golden Frieza and Android 17 by himself after their barrier shattered. The fight later on where Base Frieza kept up with him is an severe outlier.