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INCON GRACE [3-0-4] - Xeno Broly vs Toei Vegito
- Thread starter Nonynho
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If there is no discussion, the thread will just be there, either OP ask for closure or just waiting until it get more interaction, there is case of necro but that is future issue
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what even are the arguments for incon
I've already established in the scaling chain that Broly is stronger, and unlike Vegito he doesn't have an hour long time limit
Supersonicmaker
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Wouldn’t toei vegito not have a time limit? the time limit stuff was only established in dbs (which is a different continuity)
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wait I just noticed you have speed equalized while Broly starts in SSJ3
meaning if Vegito transforms he just blitzes
you might want to unequalize speed since they're from the same franchise and scale nearly identically
otherwise it'd just be a spite thread
meaning if Vegito transforms he just blitzes
you might want to unequalize speed since they're from the same franchise and scale nearly identically
otherwise it'd just be a spite thread
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well the problem is they're not
reread through this
Broly has a pretty significant advantage if you do the math even after Vegito transforms, not to mention Broly is constantly getting stronger AND faster throughout the match
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Broly should win even if Vegito blitzes by transforming
Broly is already stronger than Super Vegito by a good chunk, so if Vegito starts in base here he just gets splattered.
If Vegito senses the power difference and transforms off the bat, he still can't put Broly down due to the AP difference and Broly's debuffs. Even if Vegito is aware of Broly's adaptation and tries to finish him off by pummeling him as fast as he can, Broly can just swap their staminas and now Vegito's the one in the dirt (it's not damage reflect but if Vegito beats Broly down Broly's stamina is going to take a huge hit, and immediately swapping that is going to be a big problem for Vegito)
Broly is already stronger than Super Vegito by a good chunk, so if Vegito starts in base here he just gets splattered.
If Vegito senses the power difference and transforms off the bat, he still can't put Broly down due to the AP difference and Broly's debuffs. Even if Vegito is aware of Broly's adaptation and tries to finish him off by pummeling him as fast as he can, Broly can just swap their staminas and now Vegito's the one in the dirt (it's not damage reflect but if Vegito beats Broly down Broly's stamina is going to take a huge hit, and immediately swapping that is going to be a big problem for Vegito)
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I'll re-explain the chain
Base Vegito scales significantly but unquantifiably above Buuhan, who is Super Buu + Gotenks + Piccolo + Ultimate Gohan
If we assume that all of Buuhan's components are equal to Ultimate Gohan, then Buuhan = x4 Ultimate Gohan
If we assume Base Vegito is equal to Buuhan, then Base Vegito = x4 ultimate Gohan, and Super Vegito = x200 Ultimate Gohan
Post Vegito Diffusion Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan
Super Saiyan 3 Goku is over x400 Ultimate Gohan
Broly is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku making him over x400 Ultimate Gohan
However, in reality, Buuhan is NOT x4 Ultimate Gohan, as Gohan is significantly stronger than all of the other components, although Buutenks is stronger than Ultimate Gohan
How strong Super Vegito is entirely depends on how much stronger Base Vegito is compared to Buuhan. However, according to Buuhan's profile, he was able to make Base Vegito struggle to such an extent that Elder Kai said their battle was a "matter of fortune", meaning Base Vegito and Buuhan are around the same ballpark of power, although Vegito is still stronger
If we make the highball assumption that Buuhan is x4 Ultimate Gohan (which he's not, he's weaker) and we ALSO make the assumption that Vegito is x2 this hypothetical version of Buuhan (which is probably reasonable), then he'd be x100 Buuhan, which is x400 Ultimate Gohan
...which is equal to Broly's LOWBALLED stats since Broly is STRONGER than SSJ3 Goku who is OVER x400 Ultimate Gohan
not to mention Broly has significantly better reactive evolution AND multiple debuffs so he'd stat gap even more over time
so Broly should be a good chunk stronger, and he gets even stronger AND faster as the fight goes on, which allows him to survive and adapt to Super Vegito's speed advantage
Jackythejack
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Broly for the arguments above
AppleMaker
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Incon fra
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for what reasons above?
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None of the incon or vegito supporters have said jack shit in response to what I provided in the thread
I see no reason why their votes should be counted unless they provide evidence in the form of actual words from the english language instead of just "fra"
I see no reason why their votes should be counted unless they provide evidence in the form of actual words from the english language instead of just "fra"
Nonynho
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from all i remember, our collective understanding was that Super Vegito would have enough to finish Broly and maybe not because of the debuffs
But since i'm guessing you'll oppose this match's addition as incon, i'll just let it necro and not cope because i'd love to add it as incon
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would have enough of what
he's weaker, likely slower, has worse hax, and no accelerated development
Broly just gaps
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Busy with work, also some of the guys on this wiki piss me off with their pretentiousness so I took a bit of a break lmao
Came back cuz i watched solo leveling and kaiju no 8 and i got bored
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