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Broly (Dragon Ball Super) VS Tabuu

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I think Smash-related pages were being reworked... but I could be wrong

Anyway. Tabuu uses the Off-Waves and Broly turns into a trophy, that simple...
 
Dragon Ball's scaling chain is absolutely ridiculous, what makes Tabuu so far beyond baseline that he stomps Broly via AP?

And what are Off-Waves again, can they be dodged? And why would Broly become a trophy?
 
Tabuu effortlessly one-shot someone who sees people that low 2-C just by being born as inanimate toys.

Off-Waves are omnidirectional, so no.
 
That he is stronger than Master Hand who upon dying causes the universe to cease to exist and also created said universe?

The Off-Waves can't be dodged when Tabuu is at his peak, when he got his wings damaged they could be dodged
 
The Wright Way said:
Tabuu effortlessly one-shot someone who sees people that low 2-C just by being born as inanimate toys.
Off-Waves are omnidirectional, so no.
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Aren't these characters inanimate toys until revived by pressing their stand's base?

Like,in this video, would you say that because King Dedede views Luigi as an inanimate toy, that Dedede is immensely superior to Luigi? No, right? They are all toys, that are brought to life, so viewing someone as a trophy is really just because that trophy hasn't been activated or revived.

And what do Off-Waves do other than damage you and blow you off stage? Isn't the being off the stage, the thing that reverts these characters back into trophies?
 
Aren't these characters inanimate toys until revived by pressing their stand's base?

Like,in this video, would you say that because King Dedede views Luigi as an inanimate toy, that Dedede is immensely superior to Luigi? No, right? They are all toys, that are brought to life, so viewing someone as a trophy is really just because that trophy hasn't been activated or revived.

And what do Off-Waves do other than damage you and blow you off stage? Isn't the being off the stage, the thing that reverts these characters back into trophies?

False. Master Hand views them as plushies. They just become trophies after dying.
 
The Wright Way said:
False. Master Hand views them as plushies. They just become trophies after dying.
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Isn't this the same Master Hand that loses to the character that he sees as toys in every installment of the game?

Wasn't this argument debunked in the thread to downgrade Master Hand for being dumb and disproven time and time again in the series?
 
Isn't this the same Master Hand that loses to the character that he sees as toys in every installment of the game?

Wasn't this argument debunked in the thread to downgrade Master Hand for being dumb and disproven time and time again in the series?

Surprisingly, a low 2-C losing to a low 7-b is considered an outlier.

Downgrades haven't gone through yet.
 
If they have a consistent losing streak to the same character, how can it be called an outlier?

When are feats by characters that do the same feat consistently consider outliers?
 
Warren Valion said:
If they have a consistent losing streak to the same character, how can it be called an outlier?

When are feats by characters that do the same feat consistently consider outliers?
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That's probably why the downgrade thread exists, but it hadn't gone through yet, so we assume it's an outlier for now.
 
Also, I searched up the scene where Tabuu Off-Waves the cast, and they don't Omni-directional to me.

As seen here. The waves are flat and circular and were aimed at the roster. I don't see why they can't be dodged.

And couldn't they be dodged when fighting Tabuu, by pressing the dodge button at the appropriate time? I loosely remember doing that when I played the game years ago.

Edit: Yeah, they can be dodged.
 
The waves are omnidirectional, everything points to them being omnidirectional, the story points to them being undodgeable, and being able to dodge the waves are clear game mechanics.

Anyway, they should be relatively equal in AP.
 
Um, dude. I showed the cutscene where they are completely not omnidirectional.

They are flat like a disk, that can be dodged. Dodging them in game furthers the credibility of the notion that they are, in fact, dodgeable.

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The off waves are depicted as circular, not spherical, and nothing indicates that they are undodgable.

Also the Smash Bros ratings are currently being debated, so this may not be the best time for a smash match.
 
DaBigP said:
> Not omnidirectional
wasn't this discussed before?
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I read that thread and barring people saying that dodging is just game mechanics, there is nothing that disproves the notion.

The thing is, the dodging in the game isn't the proof, it is another example that supports the proof.

The proof being that the attacks are clearly dodgeable. The waves are flat, not spherical.
 
If it was dodgeable, why did Dedede make a get-out-of-death-free badge specifically for the Off-Waves when people could just jump over it?
 
Numbersguy said:
When he is nerfed. When he was at his peak, nobody managed to dodge it tho.
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Nobody even tried to dodge it. Killing off all the characters in a single attack is a dumb way to raise the stakes.
 
The real cal howard said:
If it was dodgeable, why did Dedede make a get-out-of-death-free badge specifically for the Off-Waves when people could just jump over it?
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There is no dialogue in Subspace so the exact reasoning is undeterminable, but a myriad of reasons are plausible.

Maybe he wanted an extra form of protection just in case as it is always better to be safe than sorry.

Maybe the waves were simply to fast to be dodged by the characters; their expressions show them looking shocked at the attack and then all of them being pushed into the air become trophies mid-push.

Following Occam's Razor would dictate one of two things.

  • The reason why no character dodged the attack, or at the least tried to, is because of CIS.
  • They didn't dodge because the attack was to fast for them to physically move out of the way.
However, this does not change the fact that the waves are, in fact, very dodgeable as shown by looking at them. They are circular and flat like a disk, you can't act like they're not when it is clearly visually proven that they are.
 
Yes, I have. And it literally changes nothing. Broly's way stronger than Infinite Zamasu, who's baseline low 2-C. Tabuu is way stronger than Master Hand, who views Dialga as a toy, who is baseline low 2-C via it's ******* heartbeat.
 
Sptflcrw said:
Yes, I have. And it literally changes nothing. Broly's way stronger than Infinite Zamasu, who's baseline low 2-C. Tabuu is way stronger than Master Hand, who views Dialga as a toy, who is baseline low 2-C via it's ******* heartbeat.
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This is the scaling for Broly:

LSS1 Broly > SS1 Gogeta >= SS1 Broly > Limit Break Jiren > Full Power Base Jiren > Third UIS Goku >= Beerus > Post-ToP SSB Goku >= Post-ToP SSB Vegeta > Ikari Broly > Hint of true power Jiren > SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Post-2nd UIS SSBKK Goku > LSS2 Kefla > Second UIS Goku > Post-ToP SSG Goku > Anilaza > Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku > Casual Jiren > First UIS Goku > Infinite Zamasu (Baseline)

You just skipped everyone from that scales about INfinite Zamasu to make Broly seem weaker than he actually is.

Please stop your downplay.
 
Also the Smash scaling is kinda stupid if we're being honest and it's circular logic at its finest.

Master Hand > Fighters

Tabuu > Master Hand

Fighters then beat Tabuu meaning Fighters > Master Hand

Master Hand sees the Fighters as toys so Master Hand > Fighters

Master Hand sees Tabuu as a toy so Master Hand > Tabuu

Master Hand sees himself as a toy so Master Hand > Master Hand

Honestly now- Master Hand has never demonstrated any real feats during the course of the games that have an actual story that come up to the FTL universal ratings he has. He's a big hand that moves about as fast as everyone else- in fact he moves slower than some characters.

Tabuu very factually isn't capable of creating a universe because he needs his little bots to steal parts of the real world and bring it into his own which means his universe is only so big as the planet they keep stealing stuff from.

Tabuu also got blitzed as all hell by normal Sonic- who explicitly in Smash Brawl is only lightspeed as Super Sonic. He was also damaged by the Fighters- several of which previously established as having hella-lower limits such as taking multiple blows to break down steel doors and Samus being stunned and damaged from being dragged along a metal wall. The Pikmin die from Falcon just sliding into them and these can damage Tabuu.

Aside from hilarious pulls of scaling- Tabuu has no business hanging with any Dragonball character.
 
That isn't how we scale it here for one. Second of all, I'm not going to list the entire ******* scaling chain, it's irrelevent. The point is that Broly is much stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
 
Sptflcrw said:
That isn't how we scale it here for one. Second of all, I'm not going to list the entire ******* scaling chain, it's irrelevent. The point is that Broly is much stronger than Infinite Zamasu.
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That IS how we scale Dragon Ball characters here, where have you been?

And the whole chain is necessary as just saying he is above Infinite Zamasu sounds like he's barely above baseline.

With the scaling in the series and all the multipliers, Limit Breaks moments, increases in power, and fusion. Dragon Ball is astronomically high into Low 2-C.

So much so that Broly is the one with the AP advantage.
 
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