Book Of Bill - Gravity Falls (Part 2, More Abilities + Minor Fixes)

[StrymULTRA]

Conitnuation of this CRT, an this too (which is still in hold-on).

Hello everyone, as promised this is the actual follow-up of the previous BoB thread, which instead will be focused in adding more abilities from the Book, and the newly released medias associated with it, those being:

• ThisIsNotAWebsiteDotCom (and its various passwords)
• The Bill Cipher Personal Injury Hotline (the number actually works if you wonder, just search it on YT)
• The exclusive pages of the Barnes & Noble edition

That and some new things from the show that I think they can be re-evalutated with the new evidence.

Powers and Abilities (with some nerfs)

The main core of this CRT are obviously the new P&A. This is the sandbox I made to cover all of them, and they are a lot compared to his current page (so if I skipped something just tell me).

Given that all the scans are basically there, I'll limit myself in just explaining what is revised, and what is completely added.

Pre-Weirdmageddon

Spoiler: Revised abilities

• Acausality Type 1 - It was removed off the old justification being essentially retconned, that being Bill being trapped in a loop that repeats the series over and over, as now Bill is in a sort of cosmic mental asylum where he's forced to live for all eternity. However new evidence is him being implied to not be affected from time loops[5] and was unaffected by the time paradoxes he and Time Baby caused in their battle[6]
• Immortality - Generally the same as before, added also Type 8 due to Bill existing as an idea, and thus he can never die/be killed due to ideas and legends existing forever as long as they'll be remembered across generations, with that being repeated like a lot of times from Bill, Stanford, and Alex Hirsch himself.
• Immersion - Added also Plot Manipulation (new scans: can "warp narratives" and that fourth walls should be kept safe from him.[16] Can break the seal between fiction and reality.[16] Altered the Book of Bill to make it instead "The Great Gatsby", and changed its cover multiple times.[5] Went inside the Mirror Realm, an anti-reality which is inhabitated from urban legends, with Bill meeting and interacting with them[5]
• Possession, Absorption and Soul/Mind Removal - Have a lot of sub-abilities related to them now, as well as Bill being able to possess people through Spirit-Boards. Has also absorbed within himself thousands of souls across time and space,[5] as also implied from Bill claiming to be a "soul billionaire".[17]
  • Immortality Negation (Type 4. People whose souls are taken from Bill won't neither be able to go to the afterlife, nor to be reincarnated[17])
  • Sealing (Bill can seal the souls he takes inside various objects, including pens, creatures, concepts, sentences,[17] books[5] or phones, with the deal lasting until the end of the universe,[18] other than also being able to fragment souls and put the pieces in different things[17])
  • Perception Manipulation (People whose souls are taken from Bill won't be recognized anymore from their soulmate[17])
  • Transmutation (People whose souls are taken from Bill won't be able to eat soul food anymore, which instead will turn in ash the moment they try to eat[17])
• Mind Manipulation, Telepathy, Dream Manipulation and Nightmare Inducement (Claimed to be a master of the mind, and showcased to know what others are thinking at the very moment.[1] Went inside Stanley's mind possibly through his dreams[1] to fulfill his deal with Gideon, with Stanford stating that Bill would have read and entered inside his mind if it weren't for the metal plate protecting him.[20] Bill is a dream demon, so he is able to enter in[11] and explore dreams,[5] other than turn them into nightmares.[20] Can send telepathic messages.[5] Went inside the reader's brain, deleting their shames and fears.[5] Cursed a whole time period with nightmares for 100 years.[5] Knows how to hypnotize people,[21] as showcased also here[22]. Made in Ford's dream a drink so strong that left the latter drunk even after he woke up.[5])
  • Sleep Manipulation (Hyperdeveloped the reader's hypnagogic lobe.[5] Put Mabel to sleep with a simple snap of his fingers[23])
  • Empathic Manipulation (Made a computer that is capable of mass hypnosis, with the programmers helping in its development committing suidice[5])
• Information Analysis and Limited Technology Manipulation (The Book of Bill shuts down cameras if they're used in an attempt to makes photos of it, with its pages changing[24] depending on the individual reading it,[5] targetting its secrets, fears and desires[25] in order to allure them in making a deal with Bill. His laughter is so hard that it can turn every stoplight on Earth yellow[5])
• Magic - Was scanless originally, and for some reason only for Weirdmageddon. Moved in on Pre-Weirdmageddon. Reason is that Bill's powers are based on Weirdness, and are stated to be magical in nature[8] from Dipper, who has directly experienced and fought using it[19]
• Size Manipulation - He has now up to Type 4 Large Size, as he's showcased to grow up to having comparable size to continents.
• Memory Manipulation (While possessing Ford, Bill deleted a word from his vocabulary and replaced it with another.[4] Listed "Eating childhood memories" as fun. Deleted from the reader of the Book of Bill various memories, such as the year 2017 or the chapter about the Bermuda Triangle.[5] Removed from Ford memories on details of his life such as his name or his mother's name, and is able to also give them back at will.[5] Created a game that deletes the memories of the player[5])
• Extreme Charisma and Manipulation Skills (Tricked and terrorized great minds in history "since time began".[4] Tricked Ford and is described as being highly charismatic, and often aims to reach his personal gains through deals & deceptions, previously making others believe incorrect notions.[20] Can make people cry from simply repeating "why". By faking remorse, Bill convinced the Axatotl to give him a second chance to live.[10][5] Stated to have Tenth-Dimensional cunning and charisma.[5] Created a cult known as "Ciphertology" while possessing a corpse,[21] which ended up rapidly spreading across the inhabitants of USA, to the point that its followers have taken over multiple cities, even renaming Orchand Lake as "BillVile", with Bill also converting a reporter to his cult while being interviewed from him, or even convincing all the members of his cult to build the portal to the Nightmare Realm[13])
• Power Bestowal (Can give powers to the people he possesses,[21] although it depends on the deal as neither Dipper nor Stanford receiving powers while being possessed from Bill. Made a woman a witch, granting to her various powers, including talking to animals or crawling on the ceiling on all fours.[5] Can give eternal life to the followers of his cult[13])
• Clairvoyance and Cosmic Awareness (Stated from Alex Hirsch that Bill is capable of seeing multiple dimensions, the past and the future. Can see an infinite number of alternate timelines, including the ones where he defeated[5] Dipper and Mabel. Unlike other 2-Dimensional beings, Bill was the only one who could see the 3rd Dimension, describing it as a "world of infinite glittering potential beyond" the 2nd Dimension.[5] Can directly look inside realities through using symbols or drawings of him as peepholes[5])
  • Precognition (It is heavily implied that he was able to foresee Weirdmageddon way before it happened.[1] Quickly saw Dipper waking up, screaming and acting in a specific way before it happened and did an impression of it perfectly, and later asked Soos if he wanted to hear the exact time and date of his death.[11] Implied to know that Ford will die when he'll be 92 years old.[20] Stated multiple times to be capable of seeing the future[3] and other infinite possible ones,[5] with Ford saying that Bill had "uncanny predictions about the future", and Bill also seeing Ford's possible futures.[5] While being erased, Bill showed a single image of his statue in the forest which we see later in the episode at the ending[20])
  • Retrocognition (Can show in detail past events on his body[11])
  • Empowerment (The more Bill sees and knows, his power grows)
• Life Manipulation (Created the Book of Bill, which is shown to be alive[5])
  • Blood Absorption (Can absorb the reader's blood through the Book of Bill[5])
  • Animal Manipulation (The Book of Bill contains bees,[5] which are confirmed to be alive from Alex Hirsch)
  • Organic Manipulation (The Book of Bill contains a human spine, and its pages are made of brain human matter[5])
• Incorporeality and Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Idea. Claimed to be made out of pure energy.[11] Ford Pines also stated he was a non-corporeal entity[4] and an immortal idea from also Bill himself[5][12] and Alex Hirsch, with ideas existing as long as they are in the Mindscape, because of them being forever remembered from the human minds across generations[14])
  • Self-Sustenance (All Types. As an incorporeal being made of pure energy, he is unbound from any kind of physical or biological need.[4] Stated to also not need any kind of rest due to his non-corporeal nature from Stanford, which is confirmed from Bill not recognizing the feeling of being tired while using Dipper's body, implying it was new to him,[11] or him being directly stated to never sleep,[16])

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69, RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler, ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Spoiler: New Abilities

• Perception Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Pain Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement and Biological Manipulation (While being inside Ford's mind, Bill had sped it up when it's sluggish and calmed down his anxiety, revised his optic sense to allow him to see an eighth color of the rainbow never before perceived by human eyes, and allowed him to detect specific coordinates of ghosts.[5] Bill also stretched Ford's tendins to the point that the latter couldn't scream nor move from the pain, other than threatening him to burn all his neurons to cause unimaginable pain, make in his head a sound so loud to the point of being forced to smash it over and over in an attempt to stop it, or to invert his sight so that "the sky is below him".[5] Can repeat inside of himself songs over and over, with said songs being heard from the souls inside of him[5])
  • Illusion Creation and Astral Projection (Can project himself inside anything with neurons.[5] Made Ford feel that time was stopping.[5] Astrally projected a message across all the globe, reaching everyone who at the time was a sovereign[5])
  • Durability Negation (Should be the same as the followers of his cult, who can shatter skulls through shrieking a perfect E note in the 8th octave at 5,243 hertz[13])
• Automatic Translation (Implied to be capable of conversing with animals[5])
• Death Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation (Bill can kill mice through just staring at them and think the word "perish".[5] People who are possessed from Bill make birds die with their presence.[21] Implied to be capable of making people explode with his mind[13])
• Summoning (Can summon DARYLL, the creature who destroyed Atlantis, to drown humanity[5][16])
• Disease Manipulation (Implied to be the one who has spread the plagues in the Ancient Egypt and to have caused the fur loss of all the cats of the Pharaoh.[5] His blood provoked nausea to two people through just being close to them[5])
• Probability Manipulation (Bill's powers are based on Weirdness,[8] which warps probability to attract anomalies[5])

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69, RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler, ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Weirdmageddon

Spoiler: Revisions

• Time Manipulation, Age Manipulation and Time Travel (When starting Weirdmageddon stated that time was dead while showing a clock and birds slowing down until stopping, later Blendin described the place as "time dodge". Listed "Making time stop forever" as fun. Killing Time Baby gave him control over time,[2] with the latter having the abilities of the Time Police, those being to be able to freeze people in time, making them age backwards, or stopping plans before they ever started[5])
• Possible Higher-Dimensional Existence - The downgrade that removed the ability was faulty, yes, but the previous reason for the ability was wrong, as Bill was still explicitly 2-Dimensional after liberating his own dimension, aka the whole "liberating a dimension = ascending in dimensionality" is totally baseless. However a new reason can be Bill using using "3-Dimensional" as an insult towards humans, and given how the verse generally revolves around dimensionality, it's not that much of a stretch to assume that Bill became a higher-dimensional being as well, but I can understand if it's rejected.
• Regeneration (Low-Godly. Lacked a Physical Form and easily created one for himself from his Mindscape Form,[2] it is stated that he would have been able to form himself in other ways if he wanted to.[4] Stated to be capable of reforming himself from atoms scattered across reality[5])

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69 [outside of HDE], RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler [outside of HDE], ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Resistances

Spoiler: Revisions

• Time Manipulation (Implied to not be affected from time loops[5] and was unaffected by the time paradoxes he and Time Baby caused in their battle[6])
• Radiation Manipulation (Able to stay in nuclear testing ranges without adverse effects.[5] Implied to be unaffected from radiation strong enough to melt people[5])

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69, RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler, ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

(Almost) Removal of Conceptual Manipulation

Ok, so, no offense, but the evidence for it looks bad.

• Pre-Weridmageddon - Concept (Type 2. Drunk Fear, which tastes like "the entire cheesecake factory menu put into blender"[6] and tasted the meaning of life, which he describes as being like "Uracil Cytocine and Thymine", with "meaning" being an idea shaped from conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe,[3], but instead exist in the mindscape, a mental world that is separated by the physical realm)
• Weirdmageddon - Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. The Weirdmageddon altered reality to the point that "Meaning has no meaning",[2] with "meaning" being an idea shaped from conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe[3])

The first problem is that "meaning" just isn't a concept at all, but instead is the perception humans have on said concept, reason why Bill describes concepts as having purpose, definition, function and taste, but not meaning, right because of them not being objective like concepts (as how they're defined here) should be, which is further cemented from Bill saying that life does not give a damn about the meaning humans give to it.

Best he'll have is Concept Creation off creating the 7 deadly sins and other ones, and Concept 2 NPI due to him tasting both fear and life, as from the scans he did kinda imply he's still talking of the concepts themselves.

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69, RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler, ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Layers or Resistance to Power Null?

We got this interesting detail of Bill, through being angry enough, can break through the barrier of Unicorn magic, which is essentially immune to Weirdness, to the point that it reverted a Totem corrupted from it to its original state, or also being basically being invulnerable from Bill's normal abilities

This is not related to the ongoing revision for resistance to power null, as the reasons are very different. This one instead is whenever Bill, through Rage power, gains 1 layer to all his abilities, or just resistance to power nullification.

Layer: 3 (Planck69, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09)
Power Null Resistance: 0

Statistics

Other than the infinite stamina stuff that I mentioned above (also for the love of god remove that "claimed that he has infinite power" as justification for it), there are other things worth mentioning:

Class Y Lifting Strenght

Surprise! Bill has indeed displayed an interesting LS feat, that being making two planets crash to make them kiss. It's pretty insane indeed, but given we have other crazy physical feats like destroying planets from just physically fighting, or Xanthar kicking Time Baby so hard that he was blasted outside the Nightmare Realm, crashed on Earth and caused the exctinction of the dinosaurs, I do not think this is too much of a stretch.

This will scale to Time Baby for obvious reasons, as he was capable of physically holding Bill in the scan above.

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69, RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler, ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Minor support for Supergenius Intelligence

Bill has displayed more evidence for Supergenius, those being:

• Programmed a computer in trinary code which is capable of mass hypnosis and eating fingers, other than making a game that deletes the memories of the player.
• While hiding his true identity behind a corpse he's possessed, Bill has created a cult called "Cipherthology", whose members were so devoted that under Bill's instructions, they have changed their legal name, took over cities, or were even about to build the Portal to the Nightmare Realm with scrap metal and car parts.
• Bill knows the final digit of Pi. While it's normally impossible due to Pi being an irrational number, and thus having no end, Bill has displayed the capability of processing literal infinite information before, like him seeing at once infinite versions of himself answering infinite different answers to a question he's asked to.

Agree: 7 (ShionAH, Planck69, RedReaper616, QrowBarr, TheOrangeGuy09, Just_a_Random_Butler, ZeedKZ)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

 

[ShionAH]

Looks good, I do want to add Empowerment should be added near his Precognition and etc.

Another thing is this CRT already made it so Bill is resistant to Power Nullification, which means his Rage feat would likely be is about him getting layers.

Note: We know Time Baby is like a trillion tons even in his small form, I wonder how heavy he is when he is planet sized... lol. It could be a good LS feat maybe?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Looks good, I do want to add Empowerment should be added near his Precognition and etc.

Adding now.

Another thing is this CRT already made it so Bill is resistant to Power Nullification, which means his Rage feat would likely be is about him getting layers.

The nature of the feat is different, so I'll let staff decide on it.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Note: We know Time Baby is like a trillion tons even in his small form, I wonder how heavy he is when he is planet sized... lol. It could be a good LS feat maybe?

The Book retconned his weight into 600 tons

 

[StrymULTRA]

The Book retconned his weight into 600 tons

The trillion tons thing is confirmed to be an insult anyways.

 

[CodeCCLL]

they are a lot

Apparent.

 

[ShionAH]

Actually Bill should have Aspect 2, since his mindscape form is accepted as an Idea.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually Bill should have Aspect 2, since his mindscape form is accepted as an Idea.

Zamasu is not a concept, so Bill shouldn't either.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Apparent.

He is not Aspect 2 in the page, so what's your point?

 

[ShionAH]

Zamasu is not a concept, so Bill shouldn't either.

It should be listed [Energy and Idea] on his NEP then?

 

[StrymULTRA]

It should be listed [Energy and Idea] on his NEP then?

Sounds pretty redundant ngl. Like is "idea" even an aspect?

 

[ShionAH]

Like is "idea" even an aspect?

I mean it would I think stop Subjective Reality? Or like make some minor haxes useless

 

[CodeCCLL]

Actually Bill should have Aspect 2, since his mindscape form is accepted as an Idea.

Ideas are not concepts by default.

Sounds pretty redundant ngl. Like is "idea" even an aspect?

It may be unnecessary, but "idea" is certainly a metaphysical aspect of Bill's existence.

He is not Aspect 2 in the page, so what's your point?

What point? I just removed something that shouldn't be in the your sandbox, that's all.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It may be unnecessary, but "idea" is certainly a metaphysical aspect of Bill's existence.

K.

What point? I just removed something that shouldn't be in the your sandbox, that's all.

I thought that I had removed already, thanks.

 

[Brogeefrong]

He is not Aspect 2 in the page, so what's your point?

Bill has Aspect 2 NPI on his profile based on the Mindscape stuff

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bill has Aspect 2 NPI on his profile based on the Mindscape stuff

• Spiritual, Mental, Energy, Abstract (Type 1 - Idea) and Nonexistent (Nature Type 1, Aspect Types 1, 3 and 5 [Energy and Idea]. Showcased to interact with other Mindscape beings multiple times.[1][11] Can eat ghosts[5])

On sandbox nah.

 

[RedReaper616]

Oh, if you want you can add an extra justification on Bill's mind reading, memory reading, and social influencing. When he first met Stanford, he was reading his thoughts, memories, perusing his insecurities, etc. in their Chess match (and was going to let him win to allow him to feel special and further take advantage of him), as well as plan furture schemes.

(From TISNAWS "EVEN HIS LIES ARE LIES.")

 

[ShionAH]

(From TISNAWS "EVEN HIS LIES ARE LIES.")

We can wank this

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh, if you want you can add an extra justification on Bill's mind reading, memory reading, and social influencing. When he first met Stanford, he was reading his thoughts, memories, perusing his insecurities, etc. in their Chess match (and was going to let him win to allow him to feel special and further take advantage of him), as well as plan furture schemes.

Oh ya, forgor about that.

 

[Planck69]

Conitnuation of this CRT, an this too (which is still in hold-on).

Hello everyone, as promised this is the actual follow-up of the previous BoB thread, which instead will be focused in adding more abilities from the Book, and the newly released medias associated with it, those being:

• ThisIsNotAWebsiteDotCom (and its various passwords)
• The Bill Cipher Personal Injury Hotline (the number actually works if you wonder, just search it on YT)
• The exclusive pages of the Barnes & Noble edition

That and some new things from the show that I think they can be re-evalutated with the new evidence.

Powers and Abilities (with some nerfs)

The main core of this CRT are obviously the new P&A. This is the sandbox I made to cover all of them, and they are a lot compared to his current page (so if I skipped something just tell me).

Given that all the scans are basically there, I'll limit myself in just explaining what is revised, and what is completely added.

Pre-Weirdmageddon

Spoiler: Revised abilities

• Acausality Type 1 - It was removed off the old justification being essentially retconned, that being Bill being trapped in a loop that repeats the series over and over, as now Bill is in a sort of cosmic mental asylum where he's forced to live for all eternity. However new evidence is him being implied to not be affected from time loops[5] and was unaffected by the time paradoxes he and Time Baby caused in their battle[6]
• Immortality - Generally the same as before, added also Type 8 due to Bill existing as an idea, and thus he can never die/be killed due to ideas and legends existing forever as long as they'll be remembered across generations, with that being repeated like a lot of times from Bill, Stanford, and Alex Hirsch himself.
• Immersion - Added also Plot Manipulation (new scans: can "warp narratives" and that fourth walls should be kept safe from him.[16] Can break the seal between fiction and reality.[16] Altered the Book of Bill to make it instead "The Great Gatsby", and changed its cover multiple times.[5] Went inside the Mirror Realm, an anti-reality which is inhabitated from urban legends, with Bill meeting and interacting with them[5]
• Possession, Absorption and Soul/Mind Removal - Have a lot of sub-abilities related to them now, as well as Bill being able to possess people through Spirit-Boards. Has also absorbed within himself thousands of souls across time and space,[5] as also implied from Bill claiming to be a "soul billionaire".[17]
  • Immortality Negation (Type 4. People whose souls are taken from Bill won't neither be able to go to the afterlife, nor to be reincarnated[17])
  • Sealing (Bill can seal the souls he takes inside various objects, including pens, creatures, concepts, sentences,[17] books[5] or phones, with the deal lasting until the end of the universe,[18] other than also being able to fragment souls and put the pieces in different things[17])
  • Perception Manipulation (People whose souls are taken from Bill won't be recognized anymore from their soulmate[17])
  • Transmutation (People whose souls are taken from Bill won't be able to eat soul food anymore, which instead will turn in ash the moment they try to eat[17])
• Mind Manipulation, Telepathy, Dream Manipulation and Nightmare Inducement (Claimed to be a master of the mind, and showcased to know what others are thinking at the very moment.[1] Went inside Stanley's mind possibly through his dreams[1] to fulfill his deal with Gideon, with Stanford stating that Bill would have read and entered inside his mind if it weren't for the metal plate protecting him.[20] Bill is a dream demon, so he is able to enter in[11] and explore dreams,[5] other than turn them into nightmares.[20] Can send telepathic messages.[5] Went inside the reader's brain, deleting their shames and fears.[5] Cursed a whole time period with nightmares for 100 years.[5] Knows how to hypnotize people,[21] as showcased also here[22]. Made in Ford's dream a drink so strong that left the latter drunk even after he woke up.[5])
  • Sleep Manipulation (Hyperdeveloped the reader's hypnagogic lobe.[5] Put Mabel to sleep with a simple snap of his fingers[23])
  • Empathic Manipulation (Made a computer that is capable of mass hypnosis, with the programmers helping in its development committing suidice[5])
• Information Analysis and Limited Technology Manipulation (The Book of Bill shuts down cameras if they're used in an attempt to makes photos of it, with its pages changing[24] depending on the individual reading it,[5] targetting its secrets, fears and desires[25] in order to allure them in making a deal with Bill. His laughter is so hard that it can turn every stoplight on Earth yellow[5])
• Magic - Was scanless originally, and for some reason only for Weirdmageddon. Moved in on Pre-Weirdmageddon. Reason is that Bill's powers are based on Weirdness, and are stated to be magical in nature[8] from Dipper, who has directly experienced and fought using it[19]
• Size Manipulation - He has now up to Type 4 Large Size, as he's showcased to grow up to having comparable size to continents.
• Memory Manipulation (While possessing Ford, Bill deleted a word from his vocabulary and replaced it with another.[4] Listed "Eating childhood memories" as fun. Deleted from the reader of the Book of Bill various memories, such as the year 2017 or the chapter about the Bermuda Triangle.[5] Removed from Ford memories on details of his life such as his name or his mother's name, and is able to also give them back at will.[5] Created a game that deletes the memories of the player[5])
• Extreme Charisma and Manipulation Skills (Tricked and terrorized great minds in history "since time began".[4] Tricked Ford and is described as being highly charismatic, and often aims to reach his personal gains through deals & deceptions, previously making others believe incorrect notions.[20] Can make people cry from simply repeating "why". By faking remorse, Bill convinced the Axatotl to give him a second chance to live.[10][5] Stated to have Tenth-Dimensional cunning and charisma.[5] Created a cult known as "Ciphertology" while possessing a corpse,[21] which ended up rapidly spreading across the inhabitants of USA, to the point that its followers have taken over multiple cities, even renaming Orchand Lake as "BillVile", with Bill also converting a reporter to his cult while being interviewed from him, or even convincing all the members of his cult to build the portal to the Nightmare Realm[13])
• Power Bestowal (Can give powers to the people he possesses,[21] although it depends on the deal as neither Dipper nor Stanford receiving powers while being possessed from Bill. Made a woman a witch, granting to her various powers, including talking to animals or crawling on the ceiling on all fours.[5] Can give eternal life to the followers of his cult[13])
• Clairvoyance and Cosmic Awareness (Stated from Alex Hirsch that Bill is capable of seeing multiple dimensions, the past and the future. Can see an infinite number of alternate timelines, including the ones where he defeated[5] Dipper and Mabel. Unlike other 2-Dimensional beings, Bill was the only one who could see the 3rd Dimension, describing it as a "world of infinite glittering potential beyond" the 2nd Dimension.[5] Can directly look inside realities through using symbols or drawings of him as peepholes[5])
  • Precognition (It is heavily implied that he was able to foresee Weirdmageddon way before it happened.[1] Quickly saw Dipper waking up, screaming and acting in a specific way before it happened and did an impression of it perfectly, and later asked Soos if he wanted to hear the exact time and date of his death.[11] Implied to know that Ford will die when he'll be 92 years old.[20] Stated multiple times to be capable of seeing the future[3] and other infinite possible ones,[5] with Ford saying that Bill had "uncanny predictions about the future", and Bill also seeing Ford's possible futures.[5] While being erased, Bill showed a single image of his statue in the forest which we see later in the episode at the ending[20])
  • Retrocognition (Can show in detail past events on his body[11])
  • Empowerment (The more Bill sees and knows, his power grows)
• Life Manipulation (Created the Book of Bill, which is shown to be alive[5])
  • Blood Absorption (Can absorb the reader's blood through the Book of Bill[5])
  • Animal Manipulation (The Book of Bill contains bees,[5] which are confirmed to be alive from Alex Hirsch)
  • Organic Manipulation (The Book of Bill contains a human spine, and its pages are made of brain human matter[5])
• Incorporeality and Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Idea. Claimed to be made out of pure energy.[11] Ford Pines also stated he was a non-corporeal entity[4] and an immortal idea from also Bill himself[5][12] and Alex Hirsch, with ideas existing as long as they are in the Mindscape, because of them being forever remembered from the human minds across generations[14])
  • Self-Sustenance (All Types. As an incorporeal being made of pure energy, he is unbound from any kind of physical or biological need.[4] Stated to also not need any kind of rest due to his non-corporeal nature from Stanford, which is confirmed from Bill not recognizing the feeling of being tired while using Dipper's body, implying it was new to him,[11] or him being directly stated to never sleep,[16])

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Agree with all of the above.

Spoiler: New Abilities

• Perception Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Pain Manipulation, Paralysis Inducement and Biological Manipulation (While being inside Ford's mind, Bill had sped it up when it's sluggish and calmed down his anxiety, revised his optic sense to allow him to see an eighth color of the rainbow never before perceived by human eyes, and allowed him to detect specific coordinates of ghosts.[5] Bill also stretched Ford's tendins to the point that the latter couldn't scream nor move from the pain, other than threatening him to burn all his neurons to cause unimaginable pain, make in his head a sound so loud to the point of being forced to smash it over and over in an attempt to stop it, or to invert his sight so that "the sky is below him".[5] Can repeat inside of himself songs over and over, with said songs being heard from the souls inside of him[5])
  • Illusion Creation and Astral Projection (Can project himself inside anything with neurons.[5] Made Ford feel that time was stopping.[5] Astrally projected a message across all the globe, reaching everyone who at the time was a sovereign[5])
  • Durability Negation (Should be the same as the followers of his cult, who can shatter skulls through shrieking a perfect E note in the 8th octave at 5,243 hertz[13])
• Automatic Translation (Implied to be capable of conversing with animals[5])
• Death Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation (Bill can kill mice through just staring at them and think the word "perish".[5] People who are possessed from Bill make birds die with their presence.[21] Implied to be capable of making people explode with his mind[13])
• Summoning (Can summon DARYLL, the creature who destroyed Atlantis, to drown humanity[5][16])
• Disease Manipulation (Implied to be the one who has spread the plagues in the Ancient Egypt and to have caused the fur loss of all the cats of the Pharaoh.[5] His blood provoked nausea to two people through just being close to them[5])
• Probability Manipulation (Bill's powers are based on Weirdness,[8] which warps probability to attract anomalies[5])

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Seems fine.

Weirdmageddon

Spoiler: Revisions

• Time Manipulation, Age Manipulation and Time Travel (When starting Weirdmageddon stated that time was dead while showing a clock and birds slowing down until stopping, later Blendin described the place as "time dodge". Listed "Making time stop forever" as fun. Killing Time Baby gave him control over time,[2] with the latter having the abilities of the Time Police, those being to be able to freeze people in time, making them age backwards, or stopping plans before they ever started[5])
• Possible Higher-Dimensional Existence - The downgrade that removed the ability was faulty, yes, but the previous reason for the ability was wrong, as Bill was still explicitly 2-Dimensional after liberating his own dimension, aka the whole "liberating a dimension = ascending in dimensionality" is totally baseless. However a new reason can be Bill using using "3-Dimensional" as an insult towards humans, and given how the verse generally revolves around dimensionality, it's not that much of a stretch to assume that Bill became a higher-dimensional being as well, but I can understand if it's rejected.
• Regeneration (Low-Godly. Lacked a Physical Form and easily created one for himself from his Mindscape Form,[2] it is stated that he would have been able to form himself in other ways if he wanted to.[4] Stated to be capable of reforming himself from atoms scattered across reality[5])

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Disagree with HDE, that reasoning is still quite flimsy. The rest is fine.

Resistances

Spoiler: Revisions

• Time Manipulation (Implied to not be affected from time loops[5] and was unaffected by the time paradoxes he and Time Baby caused in their battle[6])
• Radiation Manipulation (Able to stay in nuclear testing ranges without adverse effects.[5] Implied to be unaffected from radiation strong enough to melt people[5])
• Also removed Immunity to Dream hax, as that's already covered from Type 3 Self-Sustenance, aka is redundant.

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Looks good.

(Almost) Removal of Conceptual Manipulation

Ok, so, no offense, but the evidence for it looks bad.

• Pre-Weridmageddon - Concept (Type 2. Drunk Fear, which tastes like "the entire cheesecake factory menu put into blender"[6] and tasted the meaning of life, which he describes as being like "Uracil Cytocine and Thymine", with "meaning" being an idea shaped from conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe,[3], but instead exist in the mindscape, a mental world that is separated by the physical realm)
• Weirdmageddon - Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. The Weirdmageddon altered reality to the point that "Meaning has no meaning",[2] with "meaning" being an idea shaped from conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe[3])

The first problem is that "meaning" just isn't a concept at all, but instead is the perception humans have on said concept, reason why Bill describes concepts as having purpose, definition, function and taste, but not meaning, right because of them not being objective like concepts (as how they're defined here) should be, which is further cemented from Bill saying that life does not give a damn about the meaning humans give to it.

Best he'll have is Concept Creation off creating the 7 deadly sins and other ones, and Concept 2 NPI due to him tasting both fear and life, as from the scans he did kinda imply he's still talking of the concepts themselves.

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Makes sense.

Layers or Resistance to Power Null?

We got this interesting detail of Bill, through being angry enough, can break through the barrier of Unicorn magic, which is essentially immune to Weirdness, to the point that it reverted a Totem corrupted from it to its original state, or also being basically being invulnerable from Bill's normal abilities

This is not related to the ongoing revision for resistance to power null, as the reasons are very different. This one instead is whenever Bill, through Rage power, gains 1 layer to all his abilities, or just resistance to power nullification.

Layer: 0
Power Null Resistance: 0

I think this is just a Rage Power boost to his hax potency, by 1 layer.

Statistics

Other than the infinite stamina stuff that I mentioned above (also for the love of god remove that "claimed that he has infinite power" as justification for it), there are other things worth mentioning:

Class Y Lifting Strenght

Surprise! Bill has indeed displayed an interesting LS feat, that being making two planets crash to make them kiss. It's pretty insane indeed, but given we have other crazy physical feats like destroying planets from just physically fighting, or Xanthar kicking Time Baby so hard that he was blasted outside the Nightmare Realm, crashed on Earth and caused the exctinction of the dinosaurs, I do not think this is too much of a stretch.

This will scale to Time Baby for obvious reasons, as he was capable of physically holding Bill in the scan above.

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

Seems fine.

Minor support for Supergenius Intelligence

Bill has displayed more evidence for Supergenius, those being:

• Programmed a computer in trinary code which is capable of mass hypnosis and eating fingers, other than making a game that deletes the memories of the player.
• While hiding his true identity behind a corpse he's possessed, Bill has created a cult called "Cipherthology", whose members were so devoted that under Bill's instructions, they have changed their legal name, took over cities, or were even about to build the Portal to the Nightmare Realm with scrap metal and car parts.
• Bill knows the final digit of Pi. While it's normally impossible due to Pi being an irrational number, and thus having no end, Bill has displayed the capability of processing literal infinite information before, like him seeing at once infinite versions of himself answering infinite different answers to a question he's asked to.

Agree: 1 (ShionAH)
Neutral: 0
Disagree: 0

This is fine.

 

[RedReaper616]

Also, of course, I agree with most of everything here because I literally helped and looked over the P&A in the Discussion thread.

EDIT: Also, Bill references his Tumblr Sexyman self which is further evidence of his 4th Wall Awareness.

 

[StrymULTRA]

EDIT: Also, Bill references his Tumblr Sexyman self which is further evidence of his 4th Wall Awareness.

Where?

 

[RedReaper616]

Where?

Isn’t that the “Imposter” he refers to on the conspiracy board? The one where you get the CONNECTTHEDOTS code?

 

[RedReaper616]

Here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I feel pretty tired rn, so I'll properly answer tomorrow.

Adding y'all votes in the meantime.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Agree with everything, I still think Unicorn stuff is 1 layer into all of his hax. He was resisting Power Null from Shacktron yet wasn’t able to destroy the barrier, so it’s obviously not resistance to powernull, which leaves the only (and most logical) option: layer to all hax.

 

[QrowBarr]

Agrer with everything here and the layer to all hax via rage power

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

On the second glance, I disagree with removal of Resistance to Dream hax. Self-Sustenance does not cover it in any way.

Also, I heavily agree with removing “claimed to have infinite power” from Stamina. It was talking about power as in AP, not stamina at ALL.

 

[deonment]

Just coming in to comment on a few things

Concept 2 NPI due to him tasting both fear and life,

The latter just doesn't work, because the things Bill mentions in relation to life (Uracil Cytocine and Thymine) are literally some of the building blocks of DNA, so its clearly speaking about life in a more literal manner than the actual concept

Bill knows the final digit of Pi. While it's normally impossible due to Pi being an irrational number, and thus having no end, Bill has displayed the capability of processing literal infinite information before, like him seeing at once infinite versions of himself answering infinite different answers to a question he's asked to.

This is like, actually definitionally impossible, Pi literally cannot have a final digit, there will always be another digit afterwards, so this wouldn't be a feat for intelligence if you want to use it for such (well mostly, computational power still applies to intelligence), this would be more limited math manip or more support for math manip if you wanted to use it as a feat

 

[Jeeeeepil123]

This is like, actually definitionally impossible, Pi literally cannot have a final digit, there will always be another digit afterwards, so this wouldn't be a feat for intelligence if you want to use it for such (well mostly, computational power still applies to intelligence), this would be more limited math manip or more support for math manip if you wanted to use it as a feat

Well, it's fiction, bucko!

 

[deonment]

Well, it's fiction, bucko!

You can't "its fiction" me for this
The feat is quite literally impossible not from any sort of thing you can handwave away, its literally hard-coded into the definition of the thing itself

 

[Jeeeeepil123]

You can't "its fiction" me for this
The feat is quite literally impossible not from any sort of thing you can handwave away, its literally hard-coded into the definition of the thing itself

It's impossible because we don't have the sufficient intelligence to reach the end of it. And like i said, it's fiction, anything that is "impossible" in our world is possible in the fictional world.

 

[deonment]

It's impossible because we don't have the sufficient intelligence to reach the end of it. And like i said, it's fiction, anything that is "impossible" in our world is possible in the fictional world.

???
Literally no, irrational numbers by definition do not have a final digit as there will always be a next digit that comes after, this isn't a matter of not being smart enough or anything, there is literally just no final digit to pi, if there was it wouldn't be irrational

 

[Jeeeeepil123]

???
Literally no, irrational numbers by definition do not have a final digit as there will always be a next digit that comes after, this isn't a matter of not being smart enough or anything, there is literally just no final digit to pi, if there was it wouldn't be irrational

Infinity too by definition doesn't have any end/limit/final, yet a FICTIONAL character can surpassed this and reach the "end" of it... What are you trying to argue here?

 

[deonment]

Infinity too by definition doesn't have any end/limit/final, yet a FICTIONAL character can surpassed this and reach the "end" of it... What are you trying to argue here?

You can still count to the end of infinity if you had infinite time, you literally cannot do the same for the number of digits of irrational numbers, because there is no end digit, there will always be a next digit, full stop

That it shouldn't be used as an intelligence feat, at best its limited math manip

 

[Jeeeeepil123]

You can still count to the end of infinity if you had infinite time, you literally cannot do the same for the number of digits of irrational numbers, because there is no end digit, there will always be a next digit, full stop

And it would be literally impossible, TF?
Even then, Infinity is a hard-coded concept, not a "number" like natural number that you can count up with even if you've been given "Infinite Time"... It would be pratically impossible to reach the end that does not have any end, you're making this all up in favor for your arguments to work.

And mind you, Pi is still a finite natural number... Pi is an irrational number that is always growing larger "Infinitely" (There is a phase here, we just couldn't keep up with it)
Bill probably can keep up with Pi, having the sufficient intelligence to process it's end (Although the number itself is still increasing, he just knows there's an end before it extends larger)

That it shouldn't be used as an intelligence feat, at best its limited math manip

Bro didn't manipulate shit.

 

[StrymULTRA]

On the second glance, I disagree with removal of Resistance to Dream hax. Self-Sustenance does not cover it in any way.

It does to be fair. Plus for Bill to lack dreams you'd have to prove that he also lacks a mindscape on his own iirc.

The latter just doesn't work, because the things Bill mentions in relation to life (Uracil Cytocine and Thymine) are literally some of the building blocks of DNA, so its clearly speaking about life in a more literal manner than the actual concept

How else would you talk about "literal life" otherwise? The question he's been answering to was about literally the meaning of life, it's blatantly talking about concepts, with the fear thing further cementing it.

This is like, actually definitionally impossible, Pi literally cannot have a final digit, there will always be another digit afterwards, so this wouldn't be a feat for intelligence if you want to use it for such (well mostly, computational power still applies to intelligence), this would be more limited math manip or more support for math manip if you wanted to use it as a feat

Let me get this straight:

1. For it to be Math manipulation, Bill would need to manipulate something, but he doesn't.
2. Bill, as said before, can already process infinite information at once, so I don't see why this is such a shocking revelation.
3. Infinite speed characters already reach the end of infinity all the time.
4. This is fiction anyway.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Here.

1. What's the code needed to see it?
2. How I do even justify that.

Disagree with HDE, that reasoning is still quite flimsy.

Not even as a possibly? I do not think Bill would use it as some derogatory term if he didn't become higher dimensional himself to be fair.

By the way I did indeed miss two haxed I added for Weirdmageddon.

Darkness Manipulation and Radiation Manipulation, as his corpse was, other than leaking radiations that were detectable by a sensor, making shadows stretch in triangular shapes.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It does to be fair. Plus for Bill to lack dreams you'd have to prove that he also lacks a mindscape on his own iirc.

Not really, there is nothing on the page like that, it only says that it gives resistance to Sleep Manip to some degree or smth like that.
Bill is immune to Dream Manip via sheer technicality: he never slept and dreamed, meaning that there are no dreams to manipulate in the first place. If a guy with SS 3 slept and dreamed, he would not get Immunity to Dream hax.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

How I do even justify that.

Is aware of his tumblr sexyman fanart

Not even as a possibly? I do not think Bill would use it as some derogatory term if he didn't become higher dimensional himself to be fair.

I mean, didn't the 2 dimensional beings that attacked ford think he was ugly?