Book Of Bill - Gravity Falls (Part 1, Abilities + Feat Additions)

[ShionAH]

Hello, this thread will not handle cosmology. Thanks to everyone from the community who helped me.
@TheOrangeGuy09, @RedReaper616, @Accelerated_Evolution, @ZeedKZ, @StrymULTRA

Special thanks to that triangle fella that I made the deal wi-

WOHOHOO, HELLO HELLO VERSUS BATTLES IT IS GOOD TO BE BACK. WOW THIS DUMB THREE SPATIAL EXTENSION SOCK PUPPET FLESH BODY IS CRAZY. NOW NOW NO WORRIES I WILL HOLD MY END OF THE DEAL WHICH IS "Kill everyone who dares to stonewall"! SO BE CAREFUL IF YOU ARE GONNA DISAGREE OR I MIGHT EAT YOUR FAMILY AND MAKE YOU WATCH!

ANYWAYS LETS GET TO IT SHALL WE? ADDITIONS OF MY COOL BOOK!​

Spoiler: NEW POWERS YOU ARE GONNA LEARN ABOUT!

• Immortality
  • Type 7 - Is stated to be half alive
  • Type 8 - Bill is an idea and he cannot be killed ever because of this, something he claims again in his Barnes and Noble Q & A and something Stanford reiterates
• Abstract Existence
  • Type 1, Bill is an idea and he cannot be killed because of this
• Resurrection with Summoning
  • Mid-Godly. Even though he was erased in Stan's mind, Bill survived by summoning the Axolotl
• Plot Manipulation
  • Time Baby warned that Bill can warp Narrativity, and we should "protect our fourth walls." Can break the seal between what's fiction and what's real. Altered the Book of Bill to be the Great Gatsby to punish the reader and then changed it back, altered the cover of his book several times
• Cosmic Awareness
  • Can see through an infinite number of timelines, including the ones he had defeated Dipper and Mabel. Unlike other lower dimensional beings he was capable of seeing "up" and the third dimension
• Spatial Manipulation
  • Created the bottomless pit just by punching the ground
• Corruption
  • Type 1. Created and wrote Book of Bill, which is showed to be capable of "infecting" other books, which is also displayed within The Book of Bill itself
• Text Manipulation
  • The Books who were infected by The Book of Bill starts to display only "HA HA HA" on every single page
• Perception Manipulation
  • Inside Ford's mind, Bill had sped it up when it's sluggish and calmed down his anxiety, revised his optic sense to allow him to see an eighth color of the rainbow never before perceived by human eyes, and allowed him to detect specific coordinates of ghosts
• Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception
  • Bill is the only member of his family that could see and perceive the 3rd Dimension, describing it as a "world of infinite glittering potential beyond" the 2nd Dimension, capable of echolocation and seeing beyond the optical spectrum, gave Ford the ability to see an eighth color humans cannot percieve, and the coordinates of ghosts, implying he knew of and could perceive those things himself
• Radiation Manipulation
  • His battle with Time Baby had caused radiation that SETI still picks up as static on radar
• Death Manipulation
  • When he walks into rooms whilst possessing people, things like birds automatically die in his presence
• Biological Manipulation & Pain Manipulation
  • Threatened to light up every neuron in Ford's brain, giving him pain unimaginable. Strained Ford's eyes and made his tendons almost pop, as well as put Ford's bones on the edge of splintering, threatened to invert Ford's vision and make the ground the sky
• Sound Manipulation
  • Threatened to put a sound in Ford's head, growing ever louder, that would force him to smash it open of his own free will to try and get it to stop
• Disease Manipulation
  • He was the one who spread plagues across Egypt
• Life Manipulation
  • Wrote the Book of Bill, whom is showed to be alive
• SS Type 3 and Immunity to Dream Manipulation (Doesn’t sleep nor dream, making him lack dreams to manipulate)
• Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3, His darkest secrets can make weaker minded beings have their brain melt out of their eyes)
• Reactive Evolution via Rage Power
  • 1 Layer to Every Hax
    • Bill stated that he could overcome his Magic Unicorn hair weakness (which stops all his abilities) if he was angry enough
• Soul Manipulation, Absorption, and Sealing (Devoured thousands of souls across space and time, and they're still trapped within him. Claimed to have trapped a Soul into The Book of Bill and will scream should you burn)
• Resistance to Ice, Temperature, Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Should have the same resistances as The Book of Bill, which appeared on Ford´s bedroom after being freezed, burned and molecularly destabilized)
• Information Analysis and Text Manipulation It's text also constantly changes individual to individual, targeting their specific secrets, fears, and desires to try and convince them to make a deal, something reiterated in the Book of Bill itself
• Resistance to Information Analysis and Technology Manipulation (Created and wrote the Book of Bill, which is shown to be unable to be shared or have it's pictures taken by photography)

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Spoiler: OLD POWERS THAT I EXPLAIN BETTER NOW

• Immortality
  • Type 5 - Bill is banned from the afterlife due to him being considered "too annoying for hell"
• Duplication
  
  • Interviewed himself infront of a whole crow of Bills
• Clairvoyance, Precognition and Retrocognition
  • "Ciphervoyance" allows Bill to see a "kaleidoscope quantum phantasmagoria" of infinite possible futures across a spectrum of probability, being able to tell which future reality is most likely to happen. Ford said he has "uncanny predictions about the future". Stated by WOG to be able to see "multiple dimensions at once", the future and the past
• Mind Manipulation
  • Knows how to hypnotize people
• Possession
  • Can possess several beings at once
• Social Influencing
  • By faking remorse, Bill convinced the Axolotl by giving him a new chance to living, claims to have tenth dimensional cunning and charisma
• Probability Manipulation
  • Weirdness operates as a law in the Gravity Falls universe, it functions by manipulating probability to attract anomalies
• Memory Manipulation
  • Cut out the reader's memories of the Bermuda Triangle Chapter, removed Ford's memories of his name, and then his entire life, and then gave them back, and then did it again
• Fourth Wall Awareness
  • Makes various pop culture references throughout the Book of Bill, such as Phineas and Ferb, the Great Gatsby, Goosebumps, Burger King, Wikipedia, and more, making him aware of other fictional franchises. Aware he's in a story, as he references Dipper and Mabel are the protagonists of it.
• Madness Manipulation
  • Type 3 - His darkest secrets can make weaker minded beings have their brain melt out of their eyes
• Immersion
  • Implied to have been to the Mirror Realm, which is directly accessed through mirrors. Dated Bloody Mary, who is an inhabitant of said realm
• Telepathy
  • Telepathically communicated with the Time Baby to meet him outside of the timeline

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Spoiler: CONCEPTS? OH I LOVE 'EM!

Conceptual Manipulation

Type 1 - Bill implied that he was the original creator of the seven deadly sins several times and that he has tasted the meaning of life which he adds that it tastes like "Uracil Cytocine and Thymine", drunk Fear which tastes like "the entire cheesecake factory menu put into blender". Weirdmageddon has completely altered reality to the point that meaning has no meaning, implying that the Weirdmageddon can also alter these archetypes. Concepts in Gravity Falls are shaped from the human conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe, but exist in the mindscape, a mental world that is unbound by the physical realm, other than being unaffected by the physical destruction of one's body

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Spoiler: BIG BIG FAT OBESE TIME BABY POWERS

• Age Manipulation
  • Capable of aging anyone backwards
• Time Stop
  • Has access to time bombs, that "pause" anyone it affects forever
• Longevity
  • Is two-billion years old
• Radiation Manipulation
  • His battle with Bill Cipher had caused radiation that SETI still picks up as static on radar
• Size Manipulation
  • Up to Large Size Type 4, Time Baby appeared as big as the Chicxulub asteroid
• Dimensional Travel
  • Had travelled to the Nightmare Realm and to outside of the timeline
• 4th Wall Awareness
  • Warned the reader that Bill can warp narratives and that we need to “defend the Fourth Wall,” implying he’s aware of them.

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Spoiler: OH FEATS, THIS REMINDS ME OF THE TIME I MADE THAT FAKE TWEET AND CAUSED PEOPLE TO MAKE ME OUTER!

• AP (Galaxy Level and Multiversal) - Battle between Mindscape Bill and the Time Baby ends up on the destruction of six planets and with the Time Baby crashing on Earth and causing the Chicxulub Impact Event[1]. Bill had crashed two planets together to "make them kiss". Bill implied to be able to "burn galaxies". Bill stated that he and the Henchmaniacs were planning on smashing the entirety of the multiverse, which he confirms is infinite multiple times
• Speed (Immeasurable) - Bill is capable of navigating beyond linear chronology and moving through time. He did all of this in his Mindscape form, where he specifically had no control over anything including Time.
• Intelligence - Bill has experience, by being on the run from intergalactic authority for his trillion years of life

Bills AP will be upgraded from Unknown to 3-C, Time Baby will fully scale to Mindscape Bill

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WOHOHOO! THAT WAS FUN, ANYWAYS NOW I NEED TO START THAT PORTAL. WHEN I COME BACK I AM GONNA FIND WHOEVER ALLOWED ME TO STAY 4-A FOR SO LONG AND EAT THEIR TEETH! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH-

Uhh...what the, what happened? Huh?​

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Agree: 2 (@Planck69 and @DarkDragonMedeus [Neutral on Cm 1, BoB Resistances. Disagrees with Immortality Type 8)
Disagree BILLS HIT LIST:
Neutral:​

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bill please don’t hack into my account to advertise Book of Bill

Anyway I obviously agree with everything please don’t eat my soul, Shion’s soul is tastier

 

[ShionAH]

I need scans for

• (Doesn’t sleep nor dream, making him lack dreams to manipulate)

So yall can ignore that till I get the scans

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I need scans for

• (Should have the same resistances as The Book of Bill, which appeared on Ford´s bedroom after being freezed)
• (Doesn’t sleep nor dream, making him lack dreams to manipulate)

So yall can ignore those two till I get the scans

The Ice Manipulation resistance comes from one of the first 5 pages

The "doesn't sleeps or dreams" comes from the cryptograms iirc

 

[StrymULTRA]

WELL WELL IF THE [geometrical shape] [for the kids!] DECIDED TO MAKE A [[grand showtime]] RIGHT ON THIS [family friendly website].

THERE IS STILL [new products] WHICH YOU [[amnesia issues? Go on and buy !]] .

4th Wall Awareness - Bill directly spoke to the reader, and directly stated he's broken the 4th wall to do so

(Doesn’t sleep nor dream, making him lack dreams to manipulate)

Ain't this SS Type 3?

Btw, the "a mental world that is unbound by the physical realm" in the CM justification should be linked to this.

Will check the rest later.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

• Text Manipulation
  • The Books who were infected by The Book of Bill starts to display only "HA HA HA" on every single page

This should probably be paired with breaking the fourth wall.

• Unconventional Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Has at least thousands of souls inside him)

This isn't really a resistance but is rather soul manipulation or absorption on Bill's part.

• Resistance to Void Manipulation (Dated the howling void without consequences)

You can't really derive any resistances from this unless it's more clear on what said howling void entails.

• Resistance to Ice, Temperature, Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Should have the same resistances as The Book of Bill, which appeared on Ford´s bedroom after being freezed, burned and molecularly destabilized)

Is there any good reason why he'd have the same resistances? Being able to bestow the power onto something doesn't automatically mean you have the same ability. There are standards for stuff like this where it needs to be explicit the bestower has the powers of the bestowed.

• Resistance to Information Analysis and Technology Manipulation (Created and wrote the Book of Bill, which is shown to be unable to be shared or have it's pictures taken by photography)

Again with the above this shouldn't be a resistance Bill specifically has.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This should probably be paired with breaking the fourth wall.

True, but it is still Text Manip.

This isn't really a resistance but is rather soul manipulation or absorption on Bill's part.

It is a resistance: if someone attacks/absorps his soul (and bypasses NEP smh), there are thousands others he can attack/absorp instead.


For others I’ll let others reply.

 

[ShionAH]

This should probably be paired with breaking the fourth wall.

I guess kinda?

This isn't really a resistance but is rather soul manipulation or absorption on Bill's part.

You still get Unconvential Resistance due to having many Souls, no?

Is there any good reason why he'd have the same resistances? Being able to bestow the power onto something doesn't automatically mean you have the same ability. There are standards for stuff like this where it needs to be explicit the bestower has the powers of the bestowed.

Again with the above this shouldn't be a resistance Bill specifically has.

This seems fair, I’ll wait for more opinion

Bill directly spoke to the reader, and directly stated he's broken the 4th wall to do so

Adding

Aint this SS Type 3?

I guess that too? I am still waiting for the scan.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

You still get Unconvential Resistance due to having many Souls, no?

Seems more like he has a "storage" for these souls rather than having multiple active souls that are a literal part of him.

 

[StrymULTRA]

This isn't really a resistance but is rather soul manipulation or absorption on Bill's part.

Technically Phothoshop Flowey has also it.

You can't really derive any resistances from this unless it's more clear on what said howling void entails.

This is what I also have pointed to Shion on Discord, yes.

Is there any good reason why he'd have the same resistances? Being able to bestow the power onto something doesn't automatically mean you have the same ability. There are standards for stuff like this where it needs to be explicit the bestower has the powers of the bestowed.

The book is kinda implied to have Bill's properties, as he can absorb blood through the book.

Though I can agree with a "likely" here.

Immortality

• Type 1 - Is two-billion years old

This is Longevity, not Immortality.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I am still waiting for the scan.

Here

 

[StrymULTRA]

Three things I forgot to add:

Possession

• Can possess several beings at once

I'd use this scan instead and add in the wording the fact he can use also corpses.

On the CM1, I'd like to add the fact that Bill in the mindscape form can't manipulate these concepts offensively, but just create/interact with them. Aka I'll do something like this:

• Non-Physical Interaction
  • Abstract (Type 1 - Idea), Spiritual, Mental, Energy and Nonexistent (Nature Type 1, Aspect Types 1, 3 and 5. Showcased to interact with other Mindscape beings multiple times[1][5])
  • Concept (Type 1. Drunk Fear, which tastes like "the entire cheesecake factory menu put into blender", and tasted the meaning of life, which he adds that it tastes like "Uracil Cytocine and Thymine", with "meaning" being an idea shaped from conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe, but instead exist in the mindscape, a mental world that is unbound by the physical realm, other than being unaffected by the physical destruction of one's body)
• Conceptual Creation (Type 1: Implied that he was the original creator of the seven deadly sins several times)

For the physical form I'd make this:

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1. The Weirdmageddon altered reality to the point that "Meaning has no meaning",[2] with "meaning" being an idea shaped from conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe, but instead exist in the mindscape, a mental world that is unbound by the physical realm, other than being unaffected by the physical destruction of one's body)

Time Baby warned that Bill can warp Narrativity, and we should "protect our fourth walls."

Can we NOT use a poorly formatted google doc? I'd far prefer an imgur on this.

 

[Planck69]

• Immortality
  • Type 5 - Bill is banned from the afterlife due to him being considered "too annoying for hell"

Neutral to this, being banned from the afterlife isn't always grounds for this. Not to mention him being half-alive.

• • Type 7 - Is stated to be half alivehttps://imgur.com/EhLm2qP

Seems fine to me.

• • Type 8 - Bill is an idea and he cannot be killed ever because of this, something he claims again in his Barnes and Noble Q & A and something Stanford reiterateshttps://imgur.com/a/A0YwcIB

This feels more like just a natural consequence of him being a Type 1 Abstract, rather than reliance on an idea since well, killing an idea isn't something most can do.

• Abstract Existence
  • Type 1, Bill is an idea and he cannot be killed because of thishttps://imgur.com/a/bwwH1S9

Looks good to me.

• Resurrection with Summoning
  • Mid-Godly. Even though he was erased in Stan's mind, Bill survived by summoning the Axolotlhttps://imgur.com/a/pzX6umY

So long as this is specified as Resurrection, then yeah, it's good.

• Plot Manipulation
  • Time Baby warned that Bill can warp Narrativity, and we should "protect our fourth walls." Can break the seal between what's fiction and what's real. Altered the Book of Bill to be the Great Gatsby to punish the reader and then changed it back, altered the cover of his book several timeshttps://imgur.com/YEeXhFO

This would also be 4th Wall Breaking. Otherwise, yeah it works.

• Cosmic Awareness
  • Can see through an infinite number of timelines, including the ones he had defeated Dipper and Mabel. Unlike other lower dimensional beings he was capable of seeing "up" and the third dimension
• Spatial Manipulation
  • Created the bottomless pit just by punching the ground
• Corruption
  • Type 1. Created and wrote Book of Bill, which is showed to be capable of "infecting" other books, which is also displayed within The Book of Bill itself
• Text Manipulation
  • The Books who were infected by The Book of Bill starts to display only "HA HA HA" on every single page
• Perception Manipulation
  • Inside Ford's mind, Bill had sped it up when it's sluggish and calmed down his anxiety, revised his optic sense to allow him to see an eighth color of the rainbow never before perceived by human eyes, and allowed him to detect specific coordinates of ghosts
• Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception
  • Bill is the only member of his family that could see and perceive the 3rd Dimension, describing it as a "world of infinite glittering potential beyond" the 2nd Dimension, capable of echolocation and seeing beyond the optical spectrum, gave Ford the ability to see an eighth color humans cannot percieve, and the coordinates of ghosts, implying he knew of and could perceive those things himself
• Radiation Manipulation
  • His battle with Time Baby had caused radiation that SETI still picks up as static on radar
• Death Manipulation
  • When he walks into rooms whilst possessing people, things like birds automatically die in his presence
• Biological Manipulation & Pain Manipulation
  • Threatened to light up every neuron in Ford's brain, giving him pain unimaginable. Strained Ford's eyes and made his tendons almost pop, as well as put Ford's bones on the edge of splintering, threatened to invert Ford's vision and make the ground the sky
• Sound Manipulation
  • Threatened to put a sound in Ford's head, growing ever louder, that would force him to smash it open of his own free will to try and get it to stop
• Disease Manipulation
  • He was the one who spread plagues across Egypt
• Life Manipulation
  • Wrote the Book of Bill, whom is showed to be alivehttps://imgur.com/GNzw4dL

All this is fine.

• Immunity to Sleep Manipulation and Dream Manipulation (Doesn’t sleep nor dream, making him lack dreams to manipulate)

This is Type 3 Self Sustenance.

• Unconventional Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Has at least thousands of souls inside him)

I'm unsure of this being resistance given we don't go by numbers anymore. Unless like, he's been shown to use them as proxies for soul attacks.

• Resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3, His darkest secrets can make weaker minded beings have their brain melt out of their eyes)
• Reactive Evolution via Rage Power
  • 1 Layer to Every Hax
    • Bill stated that he could overcome his Magic Unicorn hair weakness (which stops all his abilities) if he was angry enoughhttps://imgur.com/LG4CRq5

Seems fine.

• Soul Manipulation, Absorption, and Sealing (Devoured thousands of souls across space and time, and they're still trapped within him. Claimed to have trapped a Soul into The Book of Bill and will scream should you burn)
• Resistance to Ice, Temperature, Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Should have the same resistances as The Book of Bill, which appeared on Ford´s bedroom after being freezed, burned and molecularly destabilized)
• Information Analysis and Text Manipulation It's text also constantly changes individual to individual, targeting their specific secrets, fears, and desires to try and convince them to make a deal, something reiterated in the Book of Bill itself
• Resistance to Information Analysis and Technology Manipulation (Created and wrote the Book of Bill, which is shown to be unable to be shared or have it's pictures taken by photography)

Neutral to the shared resistances, making something wouldn't give you its resistances. The rest is fine.

[/SPOILER]

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Spoiler: OLD POWERS THAT I EXPLAIN BETTER NOW

• Duplication
  • Interviewed himself infront of a whole crow of Bills
• Clairvoyance, Precognition and Retrocognition
  • "Ciphervoyance" allows Bill to see a "kaleidoscope quantum phantasmagoria" of infinite possible futures across a spectrum of probability, being able to tell which future reality is most likely to happen. Ford said he has "uncanny predictions about the future". Stated by WOG to be able to see "multiple dimensions at once", the future and the past
• Mind Manipulation
  • Knows how to hypnotize people
• Possession
  • Can possess several beings at once
• Social Influencing
  • By faking remorse, Bill convinced the Axolotl by giving him a new chance to living, claims to have tenth dimensional cunning and charisma
• Probability Manipulation
  • Weirdness operates as a law in the Gravity Falls universe, it functions by manipulating probability to attract anomalies
• Memory Manipulation
  • Cut out the reader's memories of the Bermuda Triangle Chapter, removed Ford's memories of his name, and then his entire life, and then gave them back, and then did it again
• Fourth Wall Awareness
  • Makes various pop culture references throughout the Book of Bill, such as Phineas and Ferb, the Great Gatsby, Goosebumps, Burger King, Wikipedia, and more, making him aware of other fictional franchises. Aware he's in a story, as he references Dipper and Mabel are the protagonists of it.
• Madness Manipulation
  • Type 3 - His darkest secrets can make weaker minded beings have their brain melt out of their eyes
• Immersion
  • Implied to have been to the Mirror Realm, which is directly accessed through mirrors. Dated Bloody Mary, who is an inhabitant of said realm
• Telepathy
  • Telepathically communicated with the Time Baby to meet him outside of the timeline

These seem fine to me.

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Spoiler: CONCEPTS? OH I LOVE 'EM!

Conceptual Manipulation

Type 1 - Bill implied that he was the original creator of the seven deadly sins several times and that he has tasted the meaning of life which he adds that it tastes like "Uracil Cytocine and Thymine", drunk Fear which tastes like "the entire cheesecake factory menu put into blender". Weirdmageddon has completely altered reality to the point that meaning has no meaning, implying that the Weirdmageddon can also alter these archetypes. Concepts in Gravity Falls are shaped from the human conscious judgement that isn't built in the universe, but exist in the mindscape, a mental world that is unbound by the physical realm, other than being unaffected by the physical destruction of one's body

I'm alright with Conceptual Manipulation but neutral to it being Type 1 since that part about human judgement could very easily be interpreted as him just saying that meaning is subjective. It seems to be Type 2 at minimum though.

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Spoiler: BIG BIG FAT OBESE TIME BABY POWERS

• Age Manipulation
  • Capable of aging anyone backwards
• Time Stop
  • Has access to time bombs, that "pause" anyone it affects forever
• Longevity
  • Is two-billion years old
• Radiation Manipulation
  • His battle with Bill Cipher had caused radiation that SETI still picks up as static on radar
• Size Manipulation
  • Up to Large Size Type 4, Time Baby appeared as big as the Chicxulub asteroid
• Dimensional Travel
  • Had travelled to the Nightmare Realm and to outside of the timeline
• 4th Wall Awareness
  • Warned the reader that Bill can warp narratives and that we need to “defend the Fourth Wall,” implying he’s aware of them.
• Resistance to Telepathy and Mind Manipulation with Existence Erasure (He can erase beings that enter his mind due to not having an object permanence[1])
  • Regeneration Negation (Low-Godly) & Immortality Negation (1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8), Nonexistent Erasure, Conceptual Erasure (Type 1, Capable of erasing Bill Cipher[1])

Those resistances seem more like a setting specific weakness more than anything, one that applies to Bill especially. The rest is fine.

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Spoiler: OH FEATS, THIS REMINDS ME OF THE TIME I MADE THAT FAKE TWEET AND CAUSED PEOPLE TO MAKE ME OUTER!

• AP (Galaxy Level and Multiversal) - Battle between Mindscape Bill and the Time Baby ends up on the destruction of six planets and with the Time Baby crashing on Earth and causing the Chicxulub Impact Event[1]. Bill had crashed two planets together to "make them kiss". Bill implied to be able to "burn galaxies". Bill stated that he and the Henchmaniacs were planning on smashing the entirety of the multiverse, which he confirms is infinite multiple times
• Speed (Immeasurable) - Bill is capable of navigating beyond linear chronology and moving through time. He did all of this in his Mindscape form, where he specifically had no control over anything including Time.
• Intelligence - Bill has experience, by being on the run from intergalactic authority for his trillion years of life

These seem fine to me.

 

[ShionAH]

Neutral to this, being banned from the afterlife isn't always grounds for this.

Lobo has it for that reason which is why I thought it was enough

By the way Bill already has Immortality Type 5, this is just extra proof

My bad for putting it on the “New Powers” category

This feels more like just a natural consequence of him being a Type 1 Abstract, rather than reliance on an idea since well, killing an idea isn't something most can do.

Sorry, I dont really understand.

This is Type 3 Self Sustenance.

Fair but wouldnt it also be Immunity to Dream Manipulation?

Unless like, he's been shown to use them as proxies for soul attacks.

He has not shown that.

Neutral to the shared resistances, making something wouldn't give you its resistances.

Well like Strym said

“Bill's properties, as he can absorb blood through the book.”

Would this help?

Those resistances seem more like a setting specific weakness more than anything, one that applies to Bill especially. The rest is fine.

Hmm, possibly true. It is supposed to be a reference to how Babies have bad memory I think

 

[Planck69]

Lobo has it for that reason which is why I thought it was enough

By the way Bill already has Immortality Type 5, this is just extra proof

I mean, alright then. I'm just saying that on its own it doesn't look like enough for me. There's also verse specific context for even similar feats you have to be aware of, so Lobo might have different reasons. Or maybe the staff that added it had a different viewpoint.

Sorry, I dont really understand.

Him being unkillable for being an idea isn't really indicative of Type 8 immortality, that's just how it would be to people that can't interact with or harm ideas. Something true for like, everyone in the setting not named Bill and maybe the Axolotl.

Fair but wouldnt it also be Immunity to Dream Manipulation?

By sheer technicality, though we don't label it as such.

He has not shown that.

Then it wouldn't really be a resistance.

Well like Strym said

“Bill's properties, as he can absorb blood through the book.”

This proves that he can use the book as proxy for powers but I dunno about it being proof of similar resistances. Someone making something that can withstand better than what they can, even as a conduit for their powers, isn't unheard of.

Hmm, possibly true. It is supposed to be a reference to how Babies have bad memory I think

That's how I see it as well. Stanley getting his memories erased "killed" him, and babies forget all the time.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Conceptual Erasure (Type 1, Capable of erasing Bill Cipher[1])

Btw... why would Bill be a Type 1 concept?

 

[Planck69]

Btw... why would Bill be a Type 1 concept?

My assumption is that he is an idea, which would be on the same level as Type 1 concepts if they were passed. Shion can explain otherwise though.

 

[StrymULTRA]

My assumption is that he is an idea, which would be on the same level as Type 1 concepts if they were passed.

I assume that is due to be a Mindscape being. Yeah, Shion REALLY needs to improve on wordings lmao.

 

[ShionAH]

I mean, alright then. I'm just saying that on its own it doesn't look like enough for me. There's also verse specific context for even similar feats you have to be aware of, so Lobo might have different reasons. Or maybe the staff that added it had a different viewpoint.

Understood, so you accept it for supporting?

Him being unkillable for being an idea isn't really indicative of Type 8 immortality, that's just how it would be to people that can't interact with or harm ideas. Something true for like, everyone in the setting not named Bill and maybe the Axolotl.

So you only get Immortality Type 8 for being AE 2?

By sheer technicality, though we don't label it as such.

What would it be labeled like, like when this gets accepted am I allowed to add it as “Immune to Dream Manipulation”

Then it wouldn't really be a resistance.

Fair, I’ll remove it

This proves that he can use the book as proxy for powers but I dunno about it being proof of similar resistances. Someone making something that can withstand better than what they can, even as a conduit for their powers, isn't unheard of.

Alright, do you mind maybe pinging some staff so they can voice their opinions? By the way do you disagree with these or neutral about them

That's how I see it as well. Stanley getting his memories erased "killed" him, and babies forget all the time.

Thats fair, I’ll remove it

I assume that is due to be a Mindscape being. Yeah, Shion REALLY needs to improve on wordings lmao.

Türk problems kicking in

 

[Planck69]

Also, a lot of those new feats happen before Weirdmaggedon? Am I right to assume he'd be upgraded from 11-A?

 

[ShionAH]

Also, a lot of those new feats happen before Weirdmaggedon? Am I right to assume he'd be upgraded from 11-A?

Bill is not 11-A he is Unknown right now, yeah he is gonna be upgraded to 3-C

 

[Planck69]

Understood, so you accept it for supporting?

So you only get Immortality Type 8 for being AE 2?

You can be a Type 1 Abstract with Immortality Type 8 but it needs better elaboration than "he can't be killed cause he's an idea". I mean yeah lol, you can't exactly kill sourness or a metaphor.

What would it be labeled like, like when this gets accepted am I allowed to add it as “Immune to Dream Manipulation”

Just label it as it is. The presumption for Type 3 Self Sustenance isn't even necessarily full immunity, just that they're usually not in a position for Sleep/Dream stuff to work.

Alright, do you mind maybe pinging some staff so they can voice their opinions? By the way do you disagree with these or neutral about them

Neutral.

@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Emirp sumitpo @Catzlaflame @AbaddonTheDisappointment @LephyrTheRevanchist

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Planck69]

Bill is not 11-A he is Unknown right now, yeah he is gonna be upgraded to 3-C

Right, brain fart. OK then, that's fine. You should make that clear in the OP though.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also, a lot of those new feats happen before Weirdmaggedon? Am I right to assume he'd be upgraded from 11-A?

He's not 11-A, he's Unknown due to the 2nd dimensional beings being capable of harming and almost killing Ford.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The stuff Planck said seems fine to me.

 

[ShionAH]

The stuff Planck said seems fine to me.

You are Neutral on CM 1 too? I am kinda scared everyone is gonna be neutral on it and the thread will go on forever lol

 

[Mayon_king12]

• Abstract Existence
  • Type 1, Bill is an idea and he cannot be killed because of this

The definitions here only refer to type 2, they have nothing to do with type 1.

Bill is capable of navigating beyond linear chronology

good evidence for immeasurable speed but that alone could only be "possibly"

and moving through time.

Here it is only explained that possessed Blandin and traveled through time with his time tape. Nothing to do with immeasurable speed

He did all of this in his Mindscape form, where he specifically had no control over anything including Time

It's just time manipulation

 

[ShionAH]

The definitions here only refer to type 2, they have nothing to do with type 1.

Bill is not physical in Mindscape, he is an idea

Here it is only explained that possessed Blandin and traveled through time with his time tape. Nothing to do with immeasurable speed

Uhh, Blendin was from the future. Bill possessing him means he traveled to the future, that is the feat.

It's just time manipulation

“I control Space, Matter and now that dumb baby is out of the way Time itself! But I wasn’t always like this”

 

[CurrySenpai]

Doesn't the end of the book literally say Bill is likely lying about everything just so people can help him manifest again.

 

[Mayon_king12]

Bill is not physical in Mindscape, he is an idea

would need proof that bill is a complete abstraction, because the scans identify her as type 2, just because she has nep doesn't mean she can get type 1.

Uhh, Blendin was from the future. Bill possessing him means he traveled to the future, that is the feat.

It's just time travel via dreams

“I control Space, Matter and now that dumb baby is out of the way Time itself! But I wasn’t always like this”

What is mentioned here is that the person who controls time is the time baby and after she dies, she can now manipulate time alone.

 

[ShionAH]

@CurrySenpai

Nope that is misinformation, there are lies here and there but it is easy to recognize them. For example Bill saying he could see the third dimension is very obviously a Lore Drop rather than a lie, but Bill saying that covering yourself with human teeth or babies will get you girls is lie (maybe)

Hope that helps.

For @Mayonez_king

She? Get out of here lol

Anyways Bill’s statement is pretty straight forward and we know he is not able to manipulate Time until he gets a Physical Form, the whole point of Weirdmageddon was to give Bill control over elements of Reality.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesn't the end of the book literally say Bill is likely lying about everything just so people can help him manifest again.

Alex himself says it's up to the reader to decide what's true and what it's false, which is kinda easy to get due to some statements being obvious bs like covering yourself in teeth making you really attractive for dates.

The statements you're reffering to are these and these, but...

Ford himself has never read the book, he didn't want to because of him not trusting Bill to begin with, and he was shocked when he actually saw the contents.

So his word about the legitimacy of the book isn't exactly the most reliable.

 

[StrymULTRA]

would need proof that bill is a complete abstraction, because the scans identify her as type 2, just because she has nep doesn't mean she can get type 1.

???? What is this? The author himself has said in the scans that Bill is an idea, more clear than this.

It's just time travel via dreams

No?

What is mentioned here is that the person who controls time is the time baby and after she dies, she can now manipulate time alone.

• she

ok

 

[ShionAH]

So his word about the legitimacy of the book isn't exactly the most reliable.

+ BoB changes its text depending on the reader

 

[StrymULTRA]

+ BoB changes its text depending on the reader

That too but too lazy to get the scans of it. I have them ofc if it's needed.

 

[Mayon_king12]

She? Get out of here lol

Wtf We're talking about Bill

Anyways Bill’s statement is pretty straight forward and we know he is not able to manipulate Time until he gets a Physical Form, the whole point of Weirdmageddon was to give Bill control over elements of Reality.

There is more time manipulation here, I disagree with the immeasurable.

 

[Mayon_king12]

???? What is this? The author himself has said in the scans that Bill is an idea, more clear than this.

This shows that bill is the embodiment of an idea; proof was needed that it existed as a pure abstraction.

And what does time travel and time manipulation have to do with immeasurable speed?


And don't worry about the word "she", bill gender is billions

 

[StrymULTRA]

This shows that bill is the embodiment of an idea; proof was needed that it existed as a pure abstraction.

He's called to be directly an idea from himself, WoG and Ford. We don't need to be directly spoonfed that it's literally that.

You're just being pendantic.

 

[Mayon_king12]

He's called to be directly an idea from himself, WoG and Ford. We don't need to be directly spoonfed that it's literally that.

You're just being pendantic.

Basically, I've never seen this given so easily, because it seems like the embodiment of that rather than existing as a pure abstraction, it is just said that it is an idea, and as long as the idea exists, it cannot die. best suited for typ 2

 

[RedReaper616]

Projection

Bill can project himself into anything with neurons, (meaning the Book is directly exhibiting his powers as he is projecting himself into it, making it applicable for sharing abilities).

Was able to scan all possible future timelines to see his defeat and astrally project a message across the globe.

Regeneration

The Book of Bill (and thus Bill) can come back from molecular destabilization, (this scan also doubles down on the book being made of brain matter).

Regenerated from lasting damage caused by the Memory Gun after exiting McGucket's head,

Omnscience/Omni-Sight and Intelligence (as well as Multilinguism)

Was aware of Stanford's meddlings with the Book of Bill despite being dead and trapped within the Theraprism,

Is aware of Mabel's communication in the Astral Plane with The Beast, (as well as used her dreams to find her weakness).

Ford doubles down on Bill's ability to see the future, (and implies Bill can offer to teach you how to "speak tree" as well as how to make nukes of of rubber ducklings, {which Bill also claims to know}),

Was able to scan all possible future timelines to see his defeat and astrally project a message across the globe,

Power Bestowal

Bestowed upon normal women (Witches) magic, a life of sin and pleasure (how isn't stated), the ability to speak to beasts, and claimed to be capable of surface scaling whilst possessing a creature,

Instinctive Reaction?

Can conquer dynasties whilst dissociated (meaning some form of instinctive reaction?)

Social Influencing

Bill has seduced Galaxies,

Extrasensory Perception

Bill states there are many colors we cannot see that he can

Memory and Dream Manipulation

Can hold onto memories he's seen/manipulated (to show others) and prank people in their dreams

Curse Manipulation/Extension of Dream Manipulation

Cursed a wizard's time period with Nightmares for 100 Years.

Possession

Possesses an excommunicated priest via a Spirit Board,

EXTRA:

The Mindscape connects all consciousness.

What I have so far by page 68 for extra justifications and/or abilities.