Bleach: Yhwach, The Soul King and "Can't Fear Your Own World" (CONTINUED)

[Naeblis495]

orihime block yhwach slash with her shield , notice the "GTANK" onomatopoeia.

the shield doesn't break and it doesn't even crack .

yhwach use the almighty hax to rewrite the future and make it so it doesn't matter that she blocked

orihime scale to yhwach defensively at least

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

@Imade I'm not sure that's how it works. I think he would just get a "Likely Higher" after his rating. Unless there is a stated 2X boost that can be used.

 

[MachTwo]

Why Likely Higher when he is definitely higher? He will be:

5-A (Blah3 scale to senna and superior to mimihagi) | Stronger than before (blah3 absorb Mimihagi) | Stronger than before (blah3 absorb SK) | Stronger than before (Grew even stronger than before after absorbing Ichigo's Quincy and Hollow powers, along with Gerard Valkyrie and Jugram Haschwalth)

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Because it's an unquantifiable boost. Unless its stated that he got X amount of times stronger he would have a "Likely Higher" or "Likely Far Higher"

 

[MachTwo]

That's silly, not every profile use likely when they got unquantifiable boost. I prefer 5-A (Stronger than before blah3)

 

[AstralKing7]

Still tryna see how people are ignoring the association fallacy between seana and weak sk

 

[Naeblis495]

"likely" imply a possibility , it's not applicable here because we know for a fact he got more powerfull , we just don't by how much.

"stronger than before" seems better

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Why are we making this harder then it needs to be? At the end of the day it's still 5-A after all the boost.

 

[HST_Master]

Still tryna see how people are ignoring the association fallacy between seana and weak sk

Except how is it a association fallacy? SK was the one who created the 3 worlds and maintains them. Something he constantly does weakened has Senna required to be amped by hundreds of Blanks to do, which is prevent Earth and SS from crashing into one another, causing the destruction of both and as Imade has already said the Soul King is > all other souls. In regards to Tata, there can't be a more Blanks than normal souls because Blanks are lost souls without memories, heck Senna herself is just a culmination of several blanks. Saying there's a possibility there's more blanks than normal souls doesn't make sense.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Still tryna see how people are ignoring the association fallacy between seana and weak sk

Learn how to use the term association Fallacy correctly. There isn't any Association Fallacy here,its simple scaling. The Rei-o has to mantian a much larger amount of souls between 3 planets as compared to Senna only doing it with two planets. Its accepted by the majority at this point including Kep and knowledgeable Bleach fans.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Because it's an unquantifiable boost. Unless its stated that he got X amount of times stronger he would have a "Likely Higher" or "Likely Far Higher"

How is it an unquantifiable boost? If Mimihagi could perform the feat, Mimihagi gets the rating.

Yhwach entirely absorbed Mimihagi so he get's that power added onto his.

 

[MachTwo]

How is it an unquantifiable boost?
If Mimihagi could perform the feat, Mimihagi gets the rating.

Yhwach entirely absorbed Mimihagi so he get's that power added onto his.

It is unquantifiable boost because Yhwach and SK>>>Mimihagi

They are not equal and Mimihagi is>senna.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

To my knowledge that's not something that's done on this site. If that's an acceptable method, then I have some scaling to do for some other verses.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

How is it an unquantifiable boost?
If Mimihagi could perform the feat, Mimihagi gets the rating.

Yhwach entirely absorbed Mimihagi so he get's that power added onto his.

It is unquantifiable boost because Yhwach and SK>>>Mimihagi
They are not equal and Mimihagi is>senna.

Mimihagi, Almighty Yhwach and Weakened Soul King are at least on par with Senna and her feat.

We can't say more than that because it's unquantifiable.

That's why Almighty Yhwach absorbing Mimihagi is at least 2 times Senna's results.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I think you should get more staff members to give an opinion on that. As I'm not sure if it's an acceptable method or not.

 

[FuuHouHou]

Why Likely Higher when he is definitely higher? He will be:
5-A (Blah3 scale to senna and superior to mimihagi) | Stronger than before (blah3 absorb Mimihagi) | Stronger than before (blah3 absorb SK) | Stronger than before (Grew even stronger than before after absorbing Ichigo's Quincy and Hollow powers, along with Gerard Valkyrie and Jugram Haschwalth)

Would not the fusion of the 3 Planets give something like Star Level? taking into account the composition of the Hueco Mundo? Who knows, it has the pre-established level for the Yhwach Post Absorption of the Soul King.

It would look like; 5-A, possibly High 5-A

 

[AstralKing7]

Seana feat was pushing two planets away which is what's getting scaled not the souls. Also it's a generalization fallacy which is a part of a association fallacy because of the fact that you don't have enough evidence to prove that weak SK scales to Seana when logically he has no feats nor statements where he does.

Also again the feat was seana pushing planets not maintaining them. So y not jsut calc the SKs feat instead of the wonky compariso

 

[Antvasima]

So are the 5-A and 4-A statistics accepted and ready to be applied now?

 

[W0NDER3X]

I think so.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That should probably be fine to apply then.

 

[Aernasilver]

Done. I didn't edit Orihime's profile yet since it is really outdated.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Aernasilver]

No problem.

 

[Ghuttsu]

what about the arsenal of abilities, for the soul king

will there be a seperate thread for that?

 

[Aernasilver]

That would have to be discussed in a separate thread.

Edit: But at the very least he'll have all of Yhwach's powers, Mimihagi's, Gerard's, Pernida's, and fullbringers since they have a shard of him granting them powers.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

This should be closed now.

 

[Damage3245]

Can I just check something regarding the Soul King's new ratings:

Striking Strength: Multi-Solar System level

Durability: Multi-Solar System level

I can get how creating the Soul Society could lead to AP being of that level, but how do we know his strikes and durability are that high?

Creating somethinf doesn't automatically scale Striking Strength and Durability does it?

 

[RegisNex1232]

Honestly, most creator beings tend to have that sort of reasoning for such ratings. Probably a generic standard.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Regi It's not, creation isn't supposed to scale to durability by default

 

[Ghuttsu]

The soul king can destroy his creation, which would obviously make his durability at that tier.

His existence only, is holding everything into place.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

I think a discussion Rule should be put in place now that we've had two long ass threads discussing tier 5-4 Bleach. If the people who orginally downgraded the verse were able to make one we should be able to do the same.

 

[Damage3245]

@Ghuttsu; simply being able to destroy it shouldn't scale to striking strength or durability without reason.

 

[Ghuttsu]

@Ghuttsu; simply being able to destroy it shouldn't scale to striking strength or durability without reason.

how does it not scale, if he's the only being that survives it?

 

[M11UTD]

Reiatsu pretty much amp all stats. If he was powerful enough to create worlds, then he must have crazy amount of reiatsu, and it would somehow scale, maybe not 100% but around his AP level.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm pretty sure we had a big revision a few months ago that changed that and we no longer automatically scale it like that.

 

[MachTwo]

Not for Quincy, their AP and Dura is equal thanks to Blut

 

[Damage3245]

Isn't that only when they're using Blut? That doesn't seem like it would apply to their base durability/AP.

 

[MachTwo]

Naturally their base durability won't fall far below their Blut, after all blut will use their own Reiryoku/Reiatsu to amp their stats.

 

[Aernasilver]

@Regi It's not, creation isn't supposed to scale to durability by default

Really? Just searched up "god" and most of them are universal creators and it scales to their dura with nothing else. Even if it doesn't MachTwo explained why it does for the Soul King.

Just a few examples.

 

[Ovy7]

Wait, if SK's dura is as good as his AP won't that mean that True Shikai Ichigo would scale to SK as he's the one who killed him.