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Bleach Revisions Part 1: Soul Society Arc

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Introductio

The start of a huge overhaul for Bleach. The basic things we'll be doing is adding new accepted calcs, adding the multipliers and fixing up some scaling.

I'll start off by listing stuff that was accepted that we'll be using for this arc:

Basic Scalings
A basic list of who scales to what.

(Note: Some characters scale higher and some characters that are not shinigami scales too):

All Captain level Shinigami scale to Toshiro's AP calc for being above him or at least comparable.

All Captains Lieutenants level Shinigami scale to be above a 4th seat shinigami in speed who could react to and block an attack from Orihime.

Multipliers
The multipliers we'll be using are Sajin's Bankai and Ichigo's Bankai both which are a x5 multiplier. I will only be doing the maths here.

(Note: If you guys think any other characters should get the multiplier please say so. As for now only Ichigo and Sajin gets it)

For the maths:

AP
Post-Bankai Training Ichigo is 3.4 Gigatons (Large Mountain level+) x 5 (for his Bankai) = 17 Gigatons (Island level)

Sajin is 679.68 Megatons x 5 (for his Bankai) = 3.4 Gigatons (Large Mountain level+)

Speed
Post-Bankai Training Ichigo is Mach 174.69 (MHS) x 5 (for his Bankai) = Mach 873.45 (MHS)

Profiles
Here I will post my version of what the profiles will look like with multipliers, calcs and updated scaling.

Ichigo Kurosaki (Pre-Timeskip)
Attack Potency: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (Prior to his training, he managed to defeat Kenpachi in a burst of power, which he surpassed), Large Mountain level+, likely Island level with Bankai (Ichigo's Bankai multiplies his stats by 5), higher with Hollowfication (Overpowered and critically injured Byakuya)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Comparable to Renji and Ikkaku) | Massively Hypersonic (Blitzed three Lieutenants at once, one who, despite being a Lieutenant, is a Captain level Shinigami, able to keep up with Byakuya), higher with Bankai (Can blitz Byakuya) and Hollowfying (Faster than Bankai as Ichigo was at his limit)

Durability: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (Took an attack from Byakuya), Large Mountain level+, likely Island level with Bankai (Withstood the final clash with Byakuya, takes a beating from Grimmjow, an opponent who throws and kicks Ichigo through city blocks/houses multiple times), higher with Hollowfication (No sells being hit by two of his Getsuga Tenshō)

Key: Soul Society Arc | Post-Bankai Training

Uryü Ishida
Attack Potency: Unknow, possibly Mountain level+ (Damaged Mayuri's hand), higher with Letzt Stil (Destroyed Mayuri's arm), possibly Large Mountain level with 3 times stronger arrows (One-shotted his Bankai and made a huge hole in his body)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Comparable to Chad), higher with Letzt Stil (Blitzed Mayuri multiple times)

Durability: Unknow, possibly Mountain level+ (Tanked a slash and stab from Mayuri)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Yoruichi Shihoi
Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (Traded blows with Suì-Fēng), higher with Shunkō (Overwhelmed Suì-Fēng)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (She was given the title Goddess of Flash for her proficiency in Flash Step and is also one of the fastest speedsters in and out of Soul Society, despite being out of shape she is still faster than Byakuya), higher with Shunkō

Durability: Mountain level+ (Took hits from Suì-Fēng)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Suì-Fēng
Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (Should be comparable to Tōshirō), her Shikai also bypasses conventional durability to an extent with its effect, higher with Shunkō

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can tag Yoruichi)

Durability: Mountain level+ (Took hits from Yoruichi)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Gin Ichimaru
Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (Fought against Tōshirō)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Durability: Mountain level+

Key: Soul Society Arc

Izuru Kira
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime, dodged Abirama's attacks)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Byakuya Kuchiki
Attack Potency: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (According to Ganju, base Byakuya's reiatsu is comparable to or even slightly greater than that of Kenpachi with eyepatch), Island level with Senkei and Shükei: Hakuteiken (Damaged a Post-Bankai Training Bankai Ichigo)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Can react against Post-Bankai Training Bankai Ichigo even though he can't keep up with him. Is one of the most proficient practitioners of Shunpo in the Gotei 13 and should therefore be at least this fast. Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Durability: Large Mountain level+, likely Island level (Withstood a number of attacks, including a Black Getsuga Tenshō, from a partially Hollowfied Ichigo as well as the final clash with Bankai Ichigo), higher when using Bankai as a shield (Blocked a number of Getsuga Tenshō from Ichigo)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Renji Abarai
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime. Reacted to Byakuya's signature Shunpo step and batted away an attack from him, stated that he could now follow Byakuya's movements)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Sajin Komamura
Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (Pulverized a large amount of rock with just his Shikai despite Aize blocking the blow and most of his reiatsu likely having absorbed much of the impact. Should be in roughly the same league as the likes of Tōshirō. One of the physically stronger Gotei 13 Captains), Large Mountain level+ with Bankai (Sajin's Bankai multiplies his AP by 5)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime), the same with Bankai (Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō mirrors Komamura's body movement)

Durability: Mountain level+

Key: Soul Society Arc

Nanao Ise
Attack Potency: Unknow, possibly Town level+ (Should be comparable to other lieutenants like Momo and Rangiku)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime, Was barely able to keep up with Shunsui and Ukitake as she stated they were way too fast)

Durability: Unknow, possibly Town level+ (Should be comparable to other lieutenants)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Kaname Tōse
Attack Potency: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (Injured Kenpachi)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Durability: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (Took attacks from Kenpachi)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Shühei Hisagi
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Tōshirō Hitsugaya
Attack Potency: Mountain level+ (Showcased Tenso Jurin, which allows Toshiro to manipulate the weather)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Dodged Gin's Shinsō at point-blank range. Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Durability: Mountain level+

Key: Soul Society Arc

Rangiku Matsumoto
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime, kept up with Izuru)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Kenpachi Zaraki
Attack Potency: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (Regarded as one of the strongest Captains of the Gotei 13. Should not be weaker than Tōshirō. Even strong Captains such as the likes of Tōse and Saji using their Shikai cannot match him in combat, made Tōsen and Sajin use Bankai and was going to fight Sajin with his Bankai), higher with eyepatch off

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Kept up with Tōsen and Sajin. Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Durability: Mountain level+, likely Large Mountain level+ (Took attacks from the Shikai of Tōsen and Sajin, two powerful Captains in their own right, with little injuries and even proceeded to mock their strength)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Yachiru Kusajishi
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Ikkaku Madarame
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime. Fought on par against a Shikai Ichigo at a point when he was around the level of a typical Lieutenant)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Yumichika Ayasegawa
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (On par with Ikkaku)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Mayuri Kurotsuchi
Attack Potency: Unknow, possibly Mountain level+ (Should be comparable to Tōshirō)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Far superior to a 4th seat Shinigami who could react to and block an attack from Orihime)

Durability: Unknow, possibly Mountain level+

Key: Soul Society Arc

Nemu Kurotsuchi
Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Blitzed Uryü)

Key: Soul Society Arc

Conclusion
I am aware that some profiles are missing but don't worry they'll appear in the next thread after this one is done (if it gets done lol).

Now argue away about how I'm wrong or agree with me so we can get to the next one where the juicy parts are.

PS. I know doing arc by arc will result in a lot of edits but at least it will be coherent and not prone to being off-topic as we are focusing on one arc instead of multiple arcs together.
 
That's not the same thing as it being accepted in a CRT. A calc can be accepted as being mathematically correct without the underlying assumptions for it being completely accepted.
 
There is another problem with this. This is for everyone in the Soul Society Arc, correct? But Toshiro's Bankai feat was performed during the later parts of the Heuco Mundo Arc.
 
Byakuya being a 6C while other captains are much lower makes no sense. Base Uryu and Chad should be lieutenant level.

Byakyuya being stronger than Yoruichi is idiotic.
 
The lightning speed statement seems to be a hyperbole. Wasn't Ichigo also stated to be lightning speed in the databook as well?
 
You can't accept that calc if you don't accept the statement.

No. That is his not his bankai feat. I don't know where you got that from it's just from him using Shikai.
 
@Aernasilver; he had his Bankai active when he used the ability for the feat that was calced. It's an ability that can be used in both Shikai and Bankai.
 
Thread hasn't even started and we are already using hyperbole. Though I was waiting for it.

Anyways to explain, it can't be a hyperbole. The novel is filled with a shit load of "Lightning Speed" statements and all of them are stated by the narrator. So clearly it's meant to be taken literally.
 
If there are many of them, could you list them, or provide links to where they can be found?
 
Damage is correct about Toshiro performing the feat in Bankai

The speed statement doesn't seem hyperbolic to me
 
Damage3245 said:
There is another problem with this. This is for everyone in the Soul Society Arc, correct? But Toshiro's Bankai feat was performed during the later parts of the Heuco Mundo Arc.
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Im also curious about this as well. Doesn't the Soul Society Arc end when Aizen goes to Hueco Mundo? Also why doesnt Ichigo have a key for when he first gets Rukias power?
 
The calc that I listed is for Bankai, yes but the Shikai does exactly the same thing.

Hence why M3X said "Since the other feat is similar to this, I will not bother to calc it."
 
Toshiro himself implies the Bankai version is superior when he says he's not sure he'd be able to control it properly in Bankai

So I'm inclined to say the Bankai version is superior.

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Aernasilver said:
The calc that I listed is for Bankai, yes but the Shikai does exactly the same thing.

Hence why M3X said "Since the other feat is similar to this, I will not bother to calc it."
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That's still Arrancar Arc Toshiro not Soul Society Arc Toshiro. Soul Society Arc Toshiro has a hard time beating Shawlong a fraccion while Arrancar Arc Toshiro stomped Luppi a Privaron Espada and was able to keep up with Harribel an Espada.
 
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3868203#50: Here Sigurd ask for the calc to be remade with KE for the SS Arc one and the Bankai one and M3X asks him what the difference is he says it's not that different.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Bleach:_Toshiro_moves_his_storm: In this calc M3X calcs the Bankai feat but states that the other one which is from SS Arc isn't much different. Heck he even uses this https://gyazo.com/e5a59f9ea972fa03c8ce01cc29b11820 which is from SS arc.

So I don't know what the fight between Tosh and Shawlong has to do with this. Also just for the sake of answering you, Tosh was at 20% power.
 
I'm not gonna waste time explaining something easy to understand, it's annoying.

The calc uses everything from his Shikai statement. There is 0 difference between both times he used it that any of you could point out.
 
The difference is that one was done by Soul Society Arc Toshiro while the other was done by Arrancar Arc Toshiro.

And Soul Society Arc Toshiro =/= Arrancar Arc Toshiro

M3X specifically remade both calcs. The Arrancar Arc one was originally High 6-C and recalced at 7-A which is what's used here.

The Soul Society Arc one was originally 7-A which he recalced at High 7-C/Low 7-B which I posted just now.
 
Yeah. You're clearly having trouble understanding.

The High 6-C was from Hyoten Hyakkaso. The 7-A one is Tenso Jurin.

And no, it was recalced at Low 7-B but is now 7-A.
 
Both calcs are the same thing and I tought it was the same timeframe before Damage talked to me about the real timeframe. The video someone linked to me has some cuts.
 
The feats were equal because the mass of the storm is literally the same, both with 3 Ri radius. Thus the same mass. What changed now is the timeframe. If someone link me the video of the Low 7-B calc I can calc it with KE
 
@M3X Wait I'm confused. So just making sure the 7-A calc you made was only for Bankai Toshiro right? The Shikai Toshiro one wasn't actually fully remade yet right? Or is Shikai Toshiro's storm the same calc as Bankai Toshiro?
 
Just to make it clear

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Toshiro,_ice_and_storm

  • 21 Gigatons calculation about Toshiro spreading a huge part of the cloud to move his ice
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Bleach:_Toshiro_moves_his_storm

And the feat I said it was equal to the one above is this: https://gyazo.com/e5a59f9ea972fa03c8ce01cc29b11820 because the mass is the same and the timeframe was also the same. If you guys want, I can calc the feat above with KE and update the blog. The blog of the feat: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/One_more_Bleach_storm_calculatio
 
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