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Bleach's cloud calculations cannot be used anymore.

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Hello. I am here to show that both Bleach 7-A calcs are unreliable. They were done before the storm revisions, some time ago. The calculations are this two below

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Soldier_Blue/Bleach_cloud_calc_for_heck_sake

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DodoNova2/Hitsugaya_Tensou_Juurin_(Bleach)

That's the problems with the first calculation

  • You cannont use 1.003 for condensation anymore
To calculate the energy necessary to create/destroy the clouds via condensation/vaporisation simply take the mass of the clouds (water mass, without air)...
You need to use the water content. Our page also tell us the values, and for the nimbostratus (Type of cloud used), the value is 1 g/m^3, or 0.001 kg/m^3. The average thickness for this cloud is 3000m. Let's do a quick math

  • Volume: 11781^2 * 3.14 * 3000 = 1.3074203e+12 m^3
  • Mass: 1307420272.62kg
The energy with condensation is 2.9609212e+15 Joules or 707.67 Kilotons of TNT, that's Large Town level+. And 1.049074e+16 Joules or 2.507 Megatons with CAPE, wich is Small City level

Now, the second calculation, It has the same problem as the first one, but this one also doesn't use the current accepted volume, a volume of a cylinder. Let's do a recalc.

  • Volume: 12000^2*3000*3.14 = 1.35648e+12 m^3
  • Mass: 1356480000kg
The result with condensation is 3.072027e+15 Joules or 734.23 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level), with CAPE, the result is 1.0884396e+16 Joules or 2.60 Megatons, Small City level. I used the highest instability value for both calculations.

Conclusion
Remove both calculations and replace their 7-A rating with this calculatio it is 7-A only, not with the + signal, and waaay lower than the cloud calculations. But the result can be even lower, if this meet the criteria for the current Clouds KE thread.
 
I mean, if the methods are wrong then yeah the affected pages should be adjusted accordingly. Of course, the ratings would have to depend on that last calc in the conclusion and as long as it is ok, then that should be used.
 
I thought this was already being done? Pretty sure Ugarik or DMUA was going over this since they brought up the cloud revisions and thought redoing the calc would yield a higher or lower result that they need to work on.
 
I can't believe this has been overlooked for this much.

I agree. This needs an update.
 
That calc appears to still use the 1.003 kg/M^3 density. Which the OP sense we use the 1.000 g/M^3 for condensation. We do use 1.003 kg/M^3 for KE feats and CAPE feats, but there was new details about assuming the KE method for cloud calculations however. The 6-C calculation is based on the KE formula.
 
So anyways is condensation or CAPE better for the first calculation? That's the only calc that might be important as it might scale to BoS characters if backscaling from the Arrancar Arc isn't accepted. The other calcs don't matter as they already scale to another calc that's higher than these calc.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
This calc was redone and upgrade, it's now 6-C.
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And it is wrong. Timeframe is completely wrong, and the formula would change because of the new thread. Calc wasn't accepted too.
 
Peter1129 said:
So anyways is condensation or CAPE better for the first calculation? That's the only calc that might be important as it might scale to BoS characters if backscaling from the Arrancar Arc isn't accepted. The other calcs don't matter as they already scale to another calc that's higher than these calc.
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It depends. Calc both. Cloud calc page says if the Condensation is higher, use condensation, and that's not the case.
 
Is this the same feat as I linked in the OP? I have some questions about the calc, it is wrong (again...) and it wasnt accepted at all, since both Damage and Tata seems to reject the calc.

Can we deal with new calculations tomorrow? I will be able to calc all of storm feats Bleach has, if someone link them to me.
 
No offense but did you read the discussion of that Calc?

Tata asked 1 question related to speed and never responded again , and Damage asked about cloud height which pretty much got debunked. Can't tell you if it's wrong for any other reason though.

Feel free to remake if you want though, I think the ones linked here are the only cloud calcs.
 
Yeah I read all comments there, amd if you ask Damage, I am sure he will say he didnt accepted the calc at all, even now. Calc is wrong because of thickess, that's for a specific type of cloud, and the same problem as I said in the OP, wrong density used to calc Condensation. The KE formula is wrong, the correct result is half of the current one. Something like ~170 or 160 Gigatons.
 
From what I understand about the cloud thickness part is the OP used what's on the wiki page which is 8,000 to 11,000 is it not? The argument seemed to be against the very standard on the page and disbelief.

As for Damage he was utterly debunked on his argument. But like I said feel free to remake it if you want.

What is wrong with Ichigo cloud split feat?
 
No dude, I am not arguing against the standard of the page. I am even using it...

I will answer everything tomorrow when I wake up
 
No, I was absolutely not debunked. I'm still very much against that calc die to the error with the cloud thickness.
 
This seems fine, but we need a calculation blog that has been evaluated and accepted by the calc group members before we can apply any changes.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
The calc for the 7-A replacement hasn't been made into a blog yet.
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What calc are you talking about btw? The one that I linked in the conclusion?
 
Is High 7-C or Low 7-B a useful result to scale the characters? I mean, I redid Ichigo's calc, and got 6-C. This would replace their 7-A rating
 
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