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Bleach: Orihime Inoe CRT Revision Thread

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I agree with Matthew Schroeder, not only Orihime has never shown feats to scale to characters that are on the same level as Ichigo before, but to say we should scale her to Soul King Yhwach all over some random brief feats in the recent arc is just simply ignoring powerscaling in Bleach context and would be considered the biggest massive outlier, plot induced stupidity, character induced stupidity, plot armor, etc in history of anime and manga medias. We need to make a threat to forbid such discussion to ever occur again.
 
Why are you calling all of her feats PIS/Outliers/CIS? You're just throwing random words that downplay every single thing she's done.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Why are you calling all of her feats PIS/Outliers/CIS? You're just throwing random words that downplay every single thing she's done.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Outlier

An outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are generally regarded as unusable in some forums debates. However, all effort should be made to try to reconcile outliers with other canon information, and only the most extreme examples should be classed as completely unusable. Often there is disagreement on exactly what constitutes an outlier, and things that are considered an outlier by some might not be considered to be one by everyone. Careful judgement should be used in all cases.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Plot-Induced_Stupidity

PIS, short for "Plot-Induced Stupidity" is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot. For example, if a generally competent, intelligent villain does something stupid like not killing the hero immediately when he has the chance, and that allows the hero to win, that would be an example of PIS (If the villain was just incompetent in general, it would be CIS, or short for "Character-Induced Stupidity" instead).
 
You do know Orihime having top/god tier durability and reaction is actually consistent in the final arc right?
 
When the feats are consistent and have a logical in-verse explanation (she trained off-screen), then it isn't an outlier.

And what the **** are you talking about "ignoring powerscaling"? She scales to the characters because she does the feats. That is the powerscaling.

From your backward logic, no character can grow stronger ever, because it's all outliers, CIS, PIS, et cetera. As I said in the other thread, such statements are disingenuous and stupid.
 
Peter1129 said:
You do know Orihime having top/god tier durability and reaction is actually consistent in the final arc right?
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You do know Bleach characters has the tendency to toy with weaker opponents in order to bully them?
 
Warren Valion said:
When the feats are consistent and have a logical in-verse explanation (she trained off-screen), then it isn't an outlier.
And what the **** are you talking about "ignoring powerscaling"? She scales to the characters because she does the feats. That is the powerscaling.

From your backward logic, no character can grow stronger ever, because it's all outliers, CIS, PIS, et cetera. As I said in the other thread, such statements are disingenuous and stupid.
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Training isn't considered a feat, by your logic Black Panther should have been Solar System level, because he trains all days fighting against Solar System level opponents going as far as restraining Silver Surfer.
 
Peter1129 said:
You do know Uryu and Yhwach directed their attacks at Ichigo and not her right?
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So? Uryu never had the intention to kill Ichigo. If Yhwach actually tried, Ichigo would be dead before he even gets to move from his spot.
 
Yhwach was serious in his battle against Ichigo and Orihime was still able to react to and block attacks from him.
 
Peter1129 said:
Yhwach was serious in his battle against Ichigo and Orihime was still able to react to and block attacks from him.
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Yhwach was serious? Then why didn't he use Almighty to destroy Ichigo's powers from the start instead of waiting for Ichigo to use Bankai? Why didn't he use Almighty to kill Ichigo by decapitating him?
 
Yhwach not using Almighty doesn't mean he wasn't serious. He got serious and activated his soul king powers and Orihime was still able to react to and block attacks from him. And this is when I stop replying. Cause I really don't want to get into another endless conversation in the span of a few minutes.
 
JohnCenaNation said:
Training isn't considered a feat, by your logic Black Panther should have been Solar System level, because he trains all days fighting against Solar System level opponents.
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Did you breathe False Equivalencies?

Orihime is not comparable to Black Panther. There is one key difference. Orihime has no feats that debunk her tier. In the final arc, she showed up, casually blocked Uryu's attack, and then went with Ichigo to fight against Yhwach, and lost because Yhwach used his Almighty hax.

There are numerous feats supporting her being a certain tier, unlike Black Panther which probably has a hundred feats of getting defeated by people who are immensely below Solar System level. For Black Panther, there are counter feats that prove the stronger feat is an outlier, this is not the same for Orihime.

And no, training isn't a feat, it is the reasoning for the legitimacy of feats.

Goku from Dragon Ball trains in every arc and achieves greater transformations, which make him capable of achieving greater feats and fighting stronger opponents that he couldn't before.

Is Super Saiyan Goku defeating Frieza an outlier because it "goes against powerscaling"?

No, it's not, and neither are Orihime's feats.
 
Peter1129 said:
Yhwach not using Almighty doesn't mean he wasn't serious. He got serious and activated his soul king powers and Orihime was still able to react to and block attacks from him.
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>Didn't use Yamamoto's Bankai.

>Didn't use any sternritter's powers.
 
Warren Valion said:
JohnCenaNation said:
Training isn't considered a feat, by your logic Black Panther should have been Solar System level, because he trains all days fighting against Solar System level opponents.
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Did you breathe False Equivalencies?
Orihime is not comparable to Black Panther. There is one key difference. Orihime has no feats that debunk her tier. In the final arc, she showed up, casually blocked Uryu's attack, and then went with Ichigo to fight against Yhwach, and lost because Yhwach used his Almighty hax.

There are numerous feats supporting her being a certain tier, unlike Black Panther which probably has a hundred feats of getting defeated by people who are immensely below Solar System level. For Black Panther, there are counter feats that prove the stronger feat is an outlier, this is not the same for Orihime.

And no, training isn't a feat, it is the reasoning for the legitimacy of feats.

Goku from Dragon Ball trains in every arc and achieves greater transformations, which make him capable of achieving greater feats and fighting stronger opponents that he couldn't before.

Is Super Saiyan Goku defeating Frieza an outlier because it "goes against powerscaling"?

No, it's not, and neither are Orihime's feats.
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Please stop. Orihime isn't Goku. Goku can fight unlike Orihime. Goku actually knows how to trains properly since he dedicated his entire life on fighting and training. Orihime is a different story.
 
Just because CIS stop Yhwach from using his hax doesn't mean he wasn't using all of his reiatsu. In terms of physical strength, he was going all out.

Why would you think something so nonsensical?
 
Warren Valion said:
Just because CIS stop Yhwach from using his hax doesn't mean he wasn't using all of his reiatsu. In terms of physical strength, he was going all out.
Why would you think something so nonsensical?
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Hinata trains just like Orihime does, so why isn't she planet level for fighting against Ten-Tails clones? In fact Hinata has showns feats like fighting characters that gave Sage Mode Naruto hard time such as Pain, yet she is not anything near mountain level, speed wise, she even manage to tag Pain in a fight.
 
JohnCenaNation said:
Please stop. Orihime isn't Goku. Goku can fight unlike Orihime. Goku actually knows how to trains.
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I have already told you to stop quoting large posts before, and I don't like repeating myself.


And unlike yourself, I can make an adequate comparison.

Goku trains -----> Gets stronger

Orihime trains -----> Gets stronger


Just because Orihime is a pacifist, doesn't mean she is incapable of being trained or growing stronger. She has shown numerous feats of reacting to attacks and using her shields to block them.

She got stronger, deal with it.
 
@Warren Just ignore him. He's already derailed many CRTs don't let him derail this one when it's almsot complete.
 
Warren Valion said:
JohnCenaNation said:
Please stop. Orihime isn't Goku. Goku can fight unlike Orihime. Goku actually knows how to trains.
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I have already told you to stop quoting large posts before, and I don't like repeating myself.


And unlike yourself, I can make an adequate comparison.

Goku trains -----> Gets stronger

Orihime trains -----> Gets stronger


Just because Orihime is a pacifist, doesn't mean she is incapable of being trained or growing stronger. She has shown numerous feats of reacting to attacks and using her shields to block them.

She got stronger, deal with it.
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Yet she gets immediately shafted by the next person that shows up because?
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Scaling Orihime to Yhwach is just as bad as scaling Sakura to Kaguya.
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Can I ask you to lock this thread? This discussion is pointless, and it's not going anywhere. We should made rules listing all the inconsistancy in Bleach verse, and this content revision thread is one of them. Scaling Orihime to Soul King Yhwach is the biggest outlier/pis/cis/inconsistency that it can get.
 
His reasoning is also redundant as he's basing his disagreement on Orihime's showings in the beginning of previous arcs where she hadn't train to be on the level needed for that arc (Beginning of Arrancar Arc Yammy destroys her shield rather easily and after training she could block the likes of Ulquiorra's strikes).
 
</div> I'm gonna need you to prove these statements of them being PIS. And b4 you pull a "no u" the scans backing up Orihime are in this very thread.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
His reasoning is also redundant as he's basing his disagreement on Orihime's showings in the beginning of previous arcs where she hadn't train to be on the level needed for that arc (Beginning of Arrancar Arc Yammy destroys her shield rather easily and after training she could block the likes of Ulquiorra's strikes).
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Getting beaten by Menoly and Loly doesn't show much to support this other than it acts as an anti-feat.
 
>Getting beaten by Menoly and Loly.

That affects her Santen Kesshun's durability how exactly? Which is her shield. Orihime has consistently been able to block the top tiers attacks and react to them.
 
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