I think the main issue I had with the op is that destroying time and space in a universal scale should technically count for Low 2C unless there are genuine contradictions to it. If we had to prove that all extensions of the time-space were destroyed, I would actually doubt that any character reaches tier 2 tbh. I sincerely doubt any verse will say that they destroyed the past, present, and future of a universe. That’s stupid
If the rock it actually universal in size and is fully made up of space-time, then yeah
Not necessarily, it needs to be made clear whether they meant the matter within the dimension was destroyed, or the matter and the entire timeline was destroyed.
I mean technically when yhwach hurts or destroys something with the almighty active he destroys or hurts it in every instance in the future
That’s true, but if it is confirmed to destroying the time and space of said construct, it would qualify for tier 2
For someone who argues tier 1 a lot I thought you will know about this
Yes, so why did you say this thread should be closed?
Every object anywhere, in both our universe, and most universes in fiction, contain both space, and time. Does that mean anyone who can break a rock should be tier 2? Is that what we should make this wiki?
Tier 2 is literally meant to be infinitely above universal and high universal, what you are proposing is basically moving 3-a feats into low 2-c feats.
This doesn't matter at all.
"Fully made up of space-time" what?
That's everybody. If you kill somebody they get killed in every point in the future.
It might qualify, but on this wiki, there is hypevolume, so it is possible for a 3D structure to hold other 3D structures
Ha no you just destroyed a rock existing in a point or vector in space-time. Let's say a dimension was shown to be destroyed or significantly affect. This dimension was confirmed to be a space-time construct of universal size. Would that still be low 2c?
Space-time means every instance in history where that space existed.
What about Databook and Tokinada statement from CFYOW both referring HM as endless doesn't that makes its infinite. Pretty sure wiki accepts these types of statement from other verses as infinite. If it's considered infinite Garganta becomes 4D space.
And that's all that needed to be said regarding that. Thank you.
If you are destroying the dimension's matter across every snapshot in time. Past, present, and future, then yes, I'd accept that to be low 2-c.
Sadly No, just what Ultima said, and from what others said they said it is not a new standard it's always been our standard people just misunderstood the standards, as low 2C requires you affecting past and future on a universal scale.
Well on this wiki endless ≠ infinite
They should be straight up High 3A, but possibly works too
Not really, basically when a character enters or interact with the 4th dimension they should be 4D but some characters can do that despite being 3D because each verse have their own rules.Well on this wiki endless ≠ infinite
But aside that, the garaganta is just a larger infinite 3D space, it does not become 4D. You don't even know the implications of what you are saying if the garganta is 4D then everyone who ever stepped inside it is 4D too
. Just asking.
That isn't the problem, the problem is that is possible for a 3D object to have a bigger volume than another 3D, with this, it would be able to contain other 3D object. For Space to be regarded as 4D, it must treat what it contains as Infinitesimal, or that space should just be outright called higher DimensionalNot really, basically when a character enters or interact with the 4th dimension they should be 4D but some characters can do that despite being 3D because each verse have their own rules.
One example of this is princess Carissa from magical index anime third season, she could cut the 4th dimension space and probably higher despite being 3D
Where it's stated Entering 4D space should make any character automatically 4D Being
That applies to 3D things existing in space-time. But not the fabric it self if you destroy the dimensional fabric you are also destroying space-time.
Last I checked, endless and infinite can be synonyms under the right context.Well on this wiki endless ≠ infinite
But aside that, the garaganta is just a larger infinite 3D space, it does not become 4D. You don't even know the implications of what you are saying if the garganta is 4D then everyone who ever stepped inside it is 4D too
I get what you people are trying to say but he/she said entering a 4D space would make any character 4D.
Because if we can prove Garganta is 4D then there is no need to prove Yhwach was affecting time.
What was it stated that both space and time was being affected?
Well people just usually ignore them, but once it time for a downgrade or an upgrade, they appear
It's always there, people just choose to ignore it.
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
Mention a verse that has 3D entering 4D physically, while still remaining as 3D
Yes it's called an hax and there are characters who are 3D that can affect even 1A or High 1A
You can't enter a 4D space as a 3D being you'd go crazyWhere it's stated Entering 4D space should make any character automatically 4D Being
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