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It is yours , should have credited youThat sounds familiar.
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It is yours , should have credited youThat sounds familiar.
Yeah I was referring to this. Per Tiering system Garganta should be 4D space.Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.
doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
If nothing was truly changed, then this thread can be closed. Honestly, the only real thing is to prove that there are anti-feats that would go against Low 2C in this caseDestruction of past, present and future has always been a thing. I don't know if it was changed
By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.
This is from Ultima earlier this year
Time wasn't stated to be also destroyed in DB yet we know they are low 2-C.Becouse there is the possibility of only destroying the physical thing, But not the space-time, unless there is explicit truth, this feat is 3-A at most.
Don't bring other verses into this. It's about if Bleach meets the standards or not.Time wasn't stated to be also destroyed in DB yet we know they are low 2-C.
Only becouse of Beerus and Champa's feat, IZ, etc.....,but let's not derail this bro.Time wasn't stated to be also destroyed in DB yet we know they are low 2-C.
It's only becouse of Beerus/Champa's feat, Infinite Zamasu scaling, nothing about the time axis.adding that to the list
Don't bring other verses into this. It's about if Bleach meets the standards or not.
Garganta is infinite space which contains all three realms inside of it. Wiki already accepted realms as universes. So Garganta should be 4D space. Yhwach was destroying the Garganta.Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.
doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
Well, depends if they are stated to be Universal sized, and not with a vague wording such as "world"If nuking of 2 universes simultaneously grant's low 2-C then why is bleach case different?
The wiki accepts that both SS and WotL are universes so …….. now you know. I don’t remember what the reasoning was but it was probably “chain reaction” or smth.Well, depends if they are stated to be Universal sized, and not with a vague wording such as "world"
^large enough to contain both SS and WotL in Memories of Nobody
it is universal size then
I took my extract straight from the tiering system tho?It’s funny how absolutely none of y’all have validly argued against the OP and brought incorrect definitions to what a space time is
If garganta qualifies for what the tiering system says, then yeah, Low 2-C is appropriate.
Isn't my replies not visible to any of youGarganta is infinite space which contains all three realms inside of it. Wiki already accepted realms as universes. So Garganta should be 4D space. Yhwach was destroying the Garganta.
People misunderstand what a space-time continuum is, including you (no disrespect intended by that). The page doesn't explain it well.I took my extract straight from the tiering system tho?
That's not true. It is just 3-A.most this is destroying a singular snapshot of the dimension, which would make it High 3-A.
I haven't stated anything in regards to what a space-time continuum is. I would appreciate not assuming what my stances are. All I said is that if garganta qualifies for what the tiering page says, then that's that. If it doesn't, then it should be explained why.People misunderstand what a space-time continuum is, including you (no disrespect intended by that). The page doesn't explain it well.
The valley of screams pulling in 2 dimensions(space-times) and was stated it was going to destroy them. In order to pull a dimension you have to pull space-time as well. The valley of screams dimension was also destroyed by senna. Which means the whole space-time was destroyed as well. You can also see portals in the space-time fabric popping up.This is my stand
Affecting time would not make them high 3-A either, it's only 3-A. You need to affect the whole timeline to be low 2-C, so a destroy the universe with time included would qualify
Yhwach was destroying and merging all the dimensions into one. Each one being a space-time. If you destroy the dimension you also destroy the space-time along with. Which is also the timeline. Dimension=Space-Time.Becouse there is the possibility of only destroying the physical thing, But not the space-time, unless there is explicit truth, this feat is 3-A at most.
My bad, I forgot these dimensions weren't accepted as infinite.That's not true. It is just 3-A.
I haven't stated anything in regards to what a space-time continuum is. I would appreciate not assuming what my stances are. All I said is that if garganta qualifies for what the tiering page says, then that's that. If it doesn't, then it should be explained why.
Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
A) Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.
doesn't Garganta qualify for this?
The relevant part is bolded, so when yhwach was merging the three realms together, is there any evidence that he was also destroying the universe across the past and the future too?By the way, since a bunch of people both here and outside of the wiki expressed some confusion as to what exactly this thread's proposal is, I'll say this just for clarity's sake: We are not changing the actual definition of Low 2-C, just applying some stricter standards so characters have to meet the actual requirement to qualify for it, that being destroying all of spacetime, and thus the entire universe across past, present and future. So, if you destroy the universe, but there is no evidence that it was destroyed across past and future, then you are not Low 2-C.
That's the new wiki standard and logic, don't attack meYeah the logic being used in this thread is quite bad.
What the OP is trying to say is if you are arguing for tier 2, it needs to be made clear that the destruction was not only affecting the present, but every snapshot of that universe, every uncountably infinite point, past present and future. If that is not shown or displayed, then it doesn't reach tier 2.
By that logic almost every 3-a feat in fiction becomes tier 2 if that 3-a universe also happens to have time.
You nailed it until you hit that last point.By that logic almost every 3-a feat in fiction becomes tier 2 if that 3-a universe also happens to have time.
It's not new. It's been like this. People just didn't know.That's the new wiki standard and logic, don't attack me
Yeah I was just saying the logic was bad, I don't agree with 3-a feats being tier 2 lmao, unless again the entire timeline is destroyedYou nailed it until you hit that last point.
The point is if you destroy the dimension in every point of time it exist in, it's tier 2.
Not "if you destroy a dimension and the dimension has time, its tier 2". If you destroy the dimension and its time throughout every point in history, then it'll reach tier 2.
It's not new. It's been like this. People just didn't know.
Ohhh my badYeah I was just saying the logic was bad, I don't agree with 3-a feats being tier 2 lmao, unless again the entire timeline is destroyed
If you destroyed the dimension. Then you would have destroyed it's space-time. If you destroyed it spatially then you would have destroyed it temporally as space-time are one.You nailed it until you hit that last point.
The point is if you destroy the dimension in every point of time it exist in, it's tier 2.
Not "if you destroy a dimension and the dimension has time, its tier 2". If you destroy the dimension and its time throughout every point in history, then it'll reach tier 2.
It's not new. It's been like this. People just didn't know.
If I destroy a rock have I destroyed it temporally? I destroyed it spatially right?If you destroyed the dimension. Then you would have destroyed it's space-time. If you destroyed it spatially then you would have destroyed it temporally as space-time are one.