Black hat revision ( villainous)

[Half_Shiny]

oh, I guess you're right about that. but it can still be considered as death manipulation.

no
"Death Manipulation is the ability to directly induce death in beings, objects or even concepts via supernatural means"
having all the skin removed from you face and then dying is not death manip.

1. This is just an uncontinued scene.
Alan Iturel still mentions Villainous as part of the timeline
2. There is no complete evidence that there will be anger power from here.
It is stated that he not only smashed his face, but also smashed the statue into millions of pieces when he got angry.

If you look at the rest of the clip I posted, the area gives a test on how the statue was destroyed.
Black Hat vaporized the statue and shattered it into a million pieces.
The Lich has a similar deconstruction that Black Hat should have had as well.

1. "And this is from the same episode we have an alternative ending too...But well, the point is that we don't have the time for that scene either so it was cut it out."
It was left on the cutting room floor. It is not in villainous officially.
2. If we take what is said directly
"he takes one of the pieces and says to Flug: "This is your mess now, clean it"
If it was turned into what you claim it did there would not be any pieces left

it is stated that the timeline is different in the book, shouldn't creating the timeline differently be time manipulation anyway?


Well, actually, there is not only creation here. In the book, it is revealed that
Black Hat does not actually create life, but that the beings created by him are a part, an extension, of himself. and the book describes itself as a living being.
black hat needs to scale directly to the capabilities of the book. So with features like the timelines that is part of the book and time stopping when the book is closed, black hat needs to get direct time manipulation.

You didn't address my problem at all. (continues onto the next point)

especially when Black Hat creates a book and adds timelines to it should be time manipulation.

Show me exactly where it is proven BH adds timelines to the book. I know he made it, I am asking for proof he added timelines to it.

I have an explanation regarding this.

I agreed with you?

It's about abstract existence, The Alesa Racham story also supports Incorporeality situation.

I mean in the text? Show me word for word in the text where is says "true form"

I haven't seen this.
If this were telekinesis, the vase would fall to the ground with its pieces again.
I think this is physics or matter manipulation Or just reality warping

Could have put it back together with reality warping or telekinesis. Saying physics manipulation is overkill though

 

[Mayon_king12]

NO
" Death Manipulation is the ability to directly cause the death of beings, objects, or even concepts through supernatural means"
Removing all the skin from your face and then dying is not death manipulation.

When it comes to vomiting, there is no mention of removing the skin from his face, only that he will not survive if he vomits. To give an example character, even the lich has the right to manipulate death through breath attacks.

1. "And this is from the same episode, we also have an alternative ending... But the thing is, we don't have time for that scene either, so it was cut."
It was left on the cutting room floor. He's not officially malicious.

The reason Alan calls the alternate ending is because the audience knows the scene ends with his face tearing off. but it actually tells us that the plot doesn't end like that. These are from the official timeline of Villainous , and Alan already confirms that he won't be making pointless content and that everything is canon.

2. If we consider directly what has been said
"he picks up one of the pieces and says to Flug: "This is your mess now, clean it up."
If it had become what you claimed it would be, there would be no piece left

This is already evidence of deconstruction. As seen in the test, the statue turns into something like vapor, and as the field states, the statue breaks into millions of pieces. Breaking the statue into millions of pieces is deconstruction, it does not need to be completely destroyed, this is not the existential erasure we are talking about.

You did not address my problem in any way. (continues to next point)

Show me exactly where it is proven that BH added timelines to the book. I know he did it, I want proof that he added timelines to it.

By creating the book, he also created the timeline.
Another supporting thing is that the timeline of the book works differently, which may mean that it directly creates the timeline. As stated, the book is a game created by Black Hat.

Also, what I mentioned still applies, Black Hat doesn't just create the book, it creates it directly as a part of itself, an extension of itself.
The book is already the timelines themselves, causing time to work differently. Black hat needs to be scaled to the book

So in the text? Show me word by word where in the text it says "true form"

It is stated that the red eclipse, which is black hat itself, is infinite darkness .
Alesa describes her existence in nothingness as endless darkness. Authors like Alesa had not been impressed by Black Hat's humanoid form before, but when they see his abstract existence, all these haxs are impressed in a passive and corrupt way.

Could have put it back together with reality warping or telekinesis. Saying physics manipulation is overkill though

That would be to vague assumption and the vase can't be fixed by telekinesis, at least not unless it's adhasive manipulation.

 

[Half_Shiny]

When it comes to vomiting, there is no mention of removing the skin from his face, only that he will not survive if he vomits. To give an example character, even the lich has the right to manipulate death through breath attacks.

He holds up a skull with no face....

The reason Alan calls the alternate ending is because the audience knows the scene ends with his face tearing off. but it actually tells us that the plot doesn't end like that. These are from the official timeline of Villainous , and Alan already confirms that he won't be making pointless content and that everything is canon.

No he says it would have ended like that if he was given the time. It did not end like that though

These are from the official timeline of Villainous
"He show us some “cut scenes” from the shorts, and little extras or modifications that didn't make it to the final product due to screen time limitations (which I'm pretty sure you all have already seen)"
this is all that is said in that source

Alan already confirms that he won't be making pointless content and that everything is canon.
Everything he made and finished correct. This isn't finished or put into the product.

This is already evidence of deconstruction. As seen in the test, the statue turns into something like vapor, and as the field states, the statue breaks into millions of pieces. Breaking the statue into millions of pieces is deconstruction, it does not need to be completely destroyed, this is not the existential erasure we are talking about.

Is it a poof of smoke like shown or was it a million pieces? He was able to toss entire piece at flug so pleases tell me which it is?

By creating the book, he also created the timeline.
Another supporting thing is that the timeline of the book works differently, which may mean that it directly creates the timeline. As stated, the book is a game created by Black Hat.

Also, what I mentioned still applies, Black Hat doesn't just create the book, it creates it directly as a part of itself, an extension of itself.
The book is already the timelines themselves, causing time to work differently. Black hat needs to be scaled to the book

I will be asking the same exact question I previous. Where was he shown adding additional timelines to the book? None of what above answers my question. You claimed he did something so please show me.

It is stated that the red eclipse, which is black hat itself, is infinite darkness .
Alesa describes her existence in nothingness as endless darkness. Authors like Alesa had not been impressed by Black Hat's humanoid form before, but when they see his abstract existence, all these haxs are impressed in a passive and corrupt way.

1: BH's presence isn't known to many people outside of the ORG. Cryptid Chanel likely has never seen BH, but do know of his existence
2: MASSIVE out of context. It is just night sky within the book. If you still want to argue that it is the same thing. fair. But he is literally describing what looks like the night sky.

Yeah got any proof those are the same people? Cause they look nothing alike.

 

[Mayon_king12]

He holds up a skull with no face....

Hmm, in this situation corrosion Inducement and breat attack is fair.

No he says it would have ended like that if he was given the time. It did not end like that though

These are from the official timeline of Villainous
"He show us some “cut scenes” from the shorts, and little extras or modifications that didn't make it to the final product due to screen time limitations (which I'm pretty sure you all have already seen)"
this is all that is said in that source

Here it is clearly stated that it was cut and not added simply due to screen time restrictions, but it is still included in the plot of the scene.

Is it a poof of smoke like shown or was it a million pieces? He was able to toss entire piece at flug so pleases tell me which it is?

We know that black hat shatters him into millions of pieces with a smoke-like effect. and threw only one piece at Flug.

I will be asking the same exact question I previous. Where was he shown adding additional timelines to the book? None of what above answers my question. You claimed he did something so please show me.

The book is described as a game created by Black Hat, and as the creator of the book, I think she must have created the timeline mentioned in the book.

BH's presence isn't known to many people outside of the ORG. Cryptid Chanel likely has never seen BH, but do know of his xistence

In this clip I posted, it is not Mascara Makabra, but a narrator version of him who tells the story, and it is shown how they met with Black Hat.
Alesa has seen the true existence of Black Hat. It is stated that he sees almost everything at the same time in an endless darkness in the middle of nowhere. There is already a rumor that black hat increases the perception and sensitivity of authors.
With alesa this is already confirmed.
Also, what Alesa wrote about Black Hat after seeing it is almost the same as what the producers said about Black Hat.

MASSIVE out of context. It is just night sky within the book. If you still want to argue that it is the same thing. fair. But he is literally describing what looks like the night sky.

What are talking about is not the night sky, but the moon. I don't think there is a difference between Moon and Eclipse, and the fact that Alesa Rackham, who saw the existence of Black Hat, description of it as endless darkness supports it.

Yeah got any proof those are the same people?

Also same people?

 

[Half_Shiny]

Here it is clearly stated that it was cut and not added simply due to screen time restrictions, but it is still included in the plot of the scene.

Yes and thus far you have failed to prove to me it is the plot after the scene. Because again it was not in the official product. Even the source you provided did not say what you claimed it to say.

The book is described as a game created by Black Hat, and as the creator of the book, I think she must have created the timeline mentioned in the book.

yes. You have said that multiple times and I agree. So I will ask the exact same question.

Where was he shown adding additional timelines to the book? None of what above answers my question. You claimed he did something so please show me.

What are talking about is not the night sky, but the moon. I don't think there is a difference between Moon and Eclipse, and the fact that Alesa Rackham, who saw the existence of Black Hat, description of it as endless darkness supports it.

We both wrong he is talking about the forest itself which in this context is hyperbole.
"he turned in both directions and found that the long asphalt road continued to the horizon, which was divided by large asphalt road continued to the horizon, which was divided by large walls of pine trees that in the light of the moon, seemed to harbor an infinite darkness".

Normally wouldn't say it but it is because he is just looking into the dark and saying what he is seeing.

Also same people?

Prove to me in writing these two people are the same: 1, 2

 

[Mayon_king12]

Yes and thus far you have failed to prove to me it is the plot after the scene. Because again it was not in the official product. Even the source you provided did not say what you claimed it to say.

In the source I gave, it is explained that the scene was cut due to time constraints. But this is a situation included in the plot of the scene. Why should it be taken outside the plot of the scene? Alan Iturel also tells this in a way that is included in the story.

Where was he shown adding additional timelines to the book? None of what above answers my question. You claimed he did something so please show me.

Although the book explains the timeline as if it were a single thing, there must be other timelines as it passes into different dimensions, but this has little to do with the subject.

We both wrong he is talking about the forest itself which in this context is hyperbole.
"he turned in both directions and found that the long asphalt road continued to the horizon, which was divided by large asphalt road continued to the horizon, which was divided by large walls of pine trees that in the light of the moon, seemed to harbor an infinite darkness".

Normally wouldn't say it but it is because he is just looking into the dark and saying what he is seeing.

There is context that can support this, but I agree with you, it seems hyperbole.

Prove to me in writing these two people are the same: 1, 2

Actually that they are the same is irrelevant.
All three of them are authors working for Black Hat and are from same group.

 

[Aolphl]

On the page, it is stated that darkness has taken over the dreams of people in the villainous world, and there are theories about it being caused by a terrible entity in its dimensions.

"Theories". That doesn't prove anything.

The only source of darkness in the Villainous world is black hat, the being that troubles people, and even alan Iturel states that Black Hat can pass into the world of dreams.

Tumblr doesn't open for me for some reason Idk why, but I'm going to trust you here. I'm just assuming that what Alan Ituriel says will be true, I disagree with what other blog write.

 

[Mayon_king12]

Theories". That doesn't prove anything.

These are not theories, we all know who is the only being in the villainous world who can do these.

"Something important in these dreams is the sensation or impression that in that darkened sky, there is something... figures... silhouettes... gnarled and enormous horrors winding and writhing..."

We know who is the one who created silhouettes and figures and writhing creatures from the darkness and caused great terror..

 

[Half_Shiny]

In the source I gave, it is explained that the scene was cut due to time constraints. But this is a situation included in the plot of the scene. Why should it be taken outside the plot of the scene? Alan Iturel also tells this in a way that is included in the story.

I gave my reasoning. It is not in the official material. All the sources that you have gave that said it was canon, on actually reading the sources They did not say that all.

Although the book explains the timeline as if it were a single thing, there must be other timelines as it passes into different dimensions, but this has little to do with the subject.

I agree there are multiple timelines.

You claimed something that convinced me he had the ability you claimed. When asked for proof I was given unrelated material that backed up everything but the one thing I asked for, repeat 3-4 times.

Hard disagree on time manipulation with the evidence provided.

In this clip I posted, it is not Mascara Makabra, but a narrator version of him who tells the story, and it is shown how they met with Black Hat.

Never claimed it was Mascara Makabra, claimed which group it was and reasoning for it as well.

Actually that they are the same is irrelevant.
All three of them are authors working for Black Hat and are from same group.

The entire point of your argument was a character was fine seeing regular BH until seeing BH's "true form". This shows that is completely false. Meaning it was likely base BH.



This will be my last reply for a while, I will update how the abilities are viewed page.

 

[Mayon_king12]

I gave my reasoning. It is not in the official material. All the sources that you have gave that said it was canon, on actually reading the sources They did not say that all.

This may not be directly in the official publication, but it is officially included in the plot, explaining what happens next and officially showing the tests.
There is no non-canon situation here, why wouldn't it be usable?

I agree there are multiple timelines.

You claimed something that convinced me he had the ability you claimed. When asked for proof I was given unrelated material that backed up everything but the one thing I asked for, repeat 3-4 times.

Hard disagree on time manipulation with the evidence provided.

I'm sorry, I was really stupid about this, but if you're agree time manipulation, good.

The entire point of your argument was a character was fine seeing regular BH until seeing BH's "true form". This shows that is completely false. Meaning it was likely base BH.

As Aldo Maldona's story supports, the base form we see in the series is his mere possession of a human body. the Incorporeality situation in the abstract existence argument proves this.

Also, it is necessary to talk about this issue in more detail, I must admit that I misinterpreted this.
Actually, in the sources I have given, it is implied that hearing Black Hat's voices and comments, rather than seeing him, causes this effect on people.
I think these should not be passive and should be valid in combat.

 

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Edited OP and made a few additions

 

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Aolphl about Invulnerability not looking legit. We have rules to not assume AP nullification hax; and basically agree with most of the things he said in general.

 

[RigelBR7]

I agree with Aolphl about Invulnerability not looking legit. We have rules to not assume AP nullification hax; and basically agree with most of the things he said in general.

Regarding the rest of the CRT, do you agree?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The rest of the stuff look alright; though there may be a few examples I don't have the full best judgement on. But leaning towards it all being good aside from Invulnerability yeah.

 

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[Mayon_king12]

The rest of the stuff look alright; though there may be a few examples I don't have the full best judgement on. But leaning towards it all being good aside from Invulnerability yeah.

I have a detailed explanation about invulnerability.

it is implied by dr.flug that black hat is much better than aku in terms of hax, and black hat states that someone like aku will only be affected by such simple things, he says this to aku. Even though he knew that Aku was invulnerable. It should also be reminded that the main reason why Aku and Black Hat are compared, especially in the episode, is that they are both beings made of darkness.
I think black hat would be comparable to aku since they are compared to have the same physiology.

Also, as confirmed by Alan Iturel, there is nothing that can harm black hat. According to Flug's theory, there could be only one thing that could harm him.

Also, AP is not actually mentioned. It's all about hax. Everyone on the show already knows that there is no one close to black hat in terms of AP.

What do you think about invulnerability this time?