Black hat revision ( villainous)

[Mayon_king12]

"It appears to be" ins´t an argument, you need to directly prove that the darkness was BH himself

This looks like just an easter egg

I think I agree with this, this event would probably be considered as multilocation.
but the other link I posted proves Intangibility.

Doesn´t proves that himself is commanding the paints

As shown in the profile, black hat takes scale directly from the paintings, such as subjective reality. and as I said, they all look at the robot at the same time and the dark perception of black hat is created.

We don´t know how long this time is = Non-Combat Applicable

Also, to explain this issue better to you; Alesa Rackham, one of the writers who saw the abstract existence of Black Hat and worked for Black Hat, was exposed to many of Black Hat's this I mentioned haxs.
Black Hat was already take possession of a human for communication with humanity, and its authors were not affected by these haxs. but It was shown that the authors were clearly affected by this when they saw the abstract existence of Black Hat.
Therefore, yes, we can call Black Hat's humanoid form maybe non-combat, but we cannot call it non-combat in its true form.

BH didn´t resisted the pain through willpower, he simple wasn´t affected by it

He didn´t broke the statue into millions of pieces, this only happened in the deleted ending

This scene was not deleted, it's just that the studio didn't make a sequel to the scene. Alan Iturel explained what happened next; Black Hat shattered the statue into millions of pieces, breaking the statue into millions of pieces is deconstruction, and even though his face was torn off, he still shattered the statue gives him supernatural willpower.

Have changed through Reality Warping

Almost every hax counts as reality warping anyway, it's still dimensional storage because it can fit giant-sized people into a paper bag.

Black Hat explicitely opens a portal in this scene and grabs Anti-Pops before he collides with the sun

So yeah, no time manipulation

No. you can look properly here anti pops and pops have already entered into the sun.

But Rigel I agree, flug actually opened that portal, he already had the time travel portal gun in his hand.

Dr. Strange has statements In-Verse that he does things through his time manipulation abilities, BH doesn´t

but on the time manipulation page it does not say "Dr. Strange has statements In-Verse that she does things through her time manipulation abilities"

Also, Black Hat, as the creator of the book, also created the time in the book, shouldn't this be taken as time manipulation?

also want to ask you something, time works differently in the book created by Black Hat. Wouldn't this be a manipulation of causality?

Black Hat is the biggest of the whole universe, with his evil and desire to make people suffer being one of the main points of his character

This is what makes the "incarnation of evil" (What is the corret translation following the original spanish description), he is just extremely evil and this nature makes him the incarnation of it

First of all, you all misunderstand what I said about abstract existence.
And your most important mistake is translation.
In Spanish, "the embodiment of evil" is said in two ways;
1."La maldad encarnada"
2. "La encarnación del mal"

There is no such thing as "the embodiment of evil" in Spanish.

The producer has already stated that Black Hat balances the evil in the universe like yin and yang (villainous blog translates the live broadcasts of the producer, you cannot reject him), and in support of this in the show, Pops stated that Black Hat is the embodiment of all evil in the universe.

It has also been stated that the black hat is "It is the perfect and absolute darkness in the universe", and it has been stated twice before that it is infinite darkness itself. When we say moon, what we mean is the red eclipse, and the black hat is the red eclipse itself.

Read Rigel´s CRT for some in-depth reasons of why i disagree with AE

In the link you posted, all you said was that Black Hat must have the feat of abstraction in order to achieve abstract existence, and I have shown many times that he is capable of abstraction.

he created the book, but not the one who make the decisions in it

Well I agree with this

The spirit is possessing the tape where the show is being watched, not the show itself

Yes, the villainous verse is already a tape.

Because BH send Dementia through the TV by using Immersion, the tape, by itself, doesn´t countains a real pocket reality

no, we can even say that there is more dimensional travel here, when demencia goes inside it is shown to be a normal 3d world, so it can be counted as a pocket dimension.

The second, however, ins´t death hax since Flug is alive

No, Black Hat implies that she killed a former doctor who worked for her by vomiting on her, and that's why she hired Flug.

We don´t have proof that BH himself erased Aku or applied the "punishment"

I have already proven this to you, black hat says that he will punish aku and after the words he says, aku is completely erased from existence.

This is flowery language, doesn´t literally means that everything was turned in a void, otherwise neutral

the sun is already a living being, watch this scene. there, the person watching the Weeweenies show describes the things she sees, and everything is shown as nothingness, as shown in the photo.
Turning everything into void is void manipulation and existence erasure.

These are two completely different examples, by using one of them you can´t justify the other

I, however, don´t know how we treat the example linked above, due to BH "ending" the show, but.... Actually not ending it, lol, it´s confusing

The cam-bot is already the show itself, and In this way flug can even manipulate the timeline of the show. black hat corrupted the tape which is the villainous world itself as shown, so it's definitely plot manipulation.

Also, it doesn't matter whether you say the episode continues, it ends the show in the upper world where the villainous world is broadcast as a cartoon.

The blog talks about several types of ghosts, we don´t know that the ghosts BH interacted with are the ones that have Abstract Existence

No, it is implied that ghosts in the world increase with the presence of the red eclipse. In the other link, only ghost types are listed.
In fact, to talk about this issue in more detail, if you look at the scan I posted, you can see that it is stated that the mother poltergeist is one of the ghosts with an abstract existence.
It is stated that ghosts increase with the red eclipse, and In the mother poltergeist story, there is a reference to the fact that the black hat/red eclipse is the reason for her turning into a ghost in the paintings of her house.

"It seems that" ins´t an argument, you need to prove he has hypnotic eyes

Well, I agree with that.

We see lightining stikes ocurring while the wall´s color changes + This was more something relationed by the relation of the lightning´s light and the shading cretaed by it

No, if you want, you can look at the clock in the background while the lightning strikes are still continuing and the characters are talking. The color of the clock does not change. In the 12 o'clock curse made by Black Hat, the color of the clock and the wall changes.

I also agree with you about Invulnerability, that's why I crossed out the Invulnerability article I gave to black hot.

 

[RigelBR7]

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[RigelBR7]

Also Alan Ituriel implies that he may be as powerful or more than Cthulhu himself and other Eldrich's. Cthulhu appears in Villainous and I even asked the guy from Nightfurmon if it's the same Cthulhu from the myths and has the same level of power, he said yes.

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[Mayon_king12]

Also Alan Ituriel implies that he may be as powerful or more than Cthulhu himself and other Eldrich's. Cthulhu appears in Villainous and I even asked the guy from Nightfurmon if it's the same Cthulhu from the myths and has the same level of power, he said yes.

Unfortunately, I do not agree with these, the words of the author you sent are very vague and The opposing authors said nothing about this being canon. Also, the first scan you posted is just the villainous blog admin's own assumption.

 

[Mayon_king12]

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[RigelBR7]

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[RigelBR7]

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[Accelerated_Evolution]

I think I agree with this, this event would probably be considered as multilocation.
but the other link I posted proves Intangibility.

The other link looks fine, i just disagree with the first one

As shown in the profile, black hat takes scale directly from the paintings, such as subjective reality.

No, it only says that he can become part of a painting, not that he naturally is part of them

and as I said, they all look at the robot at the same time and the dark perception of black hat is created.

What simple doesn´t proves that the paintings are BH himself

Also, to explain this issue better to you; Alesa Rackham, one of the writers who saw the abstract existence of Black Hat and worked for Black Hat, was exposed to many of Black Hat's this I mentioned haxs.
Black Hat was already take possession of a human for communication with humanity, and its authors were not affected by these haxs. but It was shown that the authors were clearly affected by this when they saw the abstract existence of Black Hat.
Therefore, yes, we can call Black Hat's humanoid form maybe non-combat, but we cannot call it non-combat in its true form.

I think you can make the madness hax combat applicable, but only this one, the others aren´t showed to have instantaneous effect on people

This scene was not deleted, it's just that the studio didn't make a sequel to the scene. Alan Iturel explained what happened next; Black Hat shattered the statue into millions of pieces, breaking the statue into millions of pieces is deconstruction, and even though his face was torn off, he still shattered the statue gives him supernatural willpower.

Alan himself says that this scene is just an alternative end

Supernatural Willpower is overcome extreme pain, through, well, willpower

BH didn´t even felt pain, so he doesn´t qualifies

Almost every hax counts as reality warping anyway, it's still dimensional storage because it can fit giant-sized people into a paper bag.

That´s not something that the paper bag can naturally do

And even if it was, why would this be a power for BH and not only for the paper bag?

No. you can look properly here anti pops and pops have already entered into the sun.

Look again at the video

but on the time manipulation page it does not say "Dr. Strange has statements In-Verse that she does things through her time manipulation abilities"

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Also, Black Hat, as the creator of the book, also created the time in the book, shouldn't this be taken as time manipulation?

I think this is a better example tbh

also want to ask you something, time works differently in the book created by Black Hat. Wouldn't this be a manipulation of causality?

No

First of all, you all misunderstand what I said about abstract existence.
And your most important mistake is translation.
In Spanish, "the embodiment of evil" is said in two ways;
1."La maldad encarnada"
2. "La encarnación del mal"

There is no such thing as "the embodiment of evil" in Spanish.

I... Was arguing that?

The producer has already stated that Black Hat balances the evil in the universe like yin and yang (villainous blog translates the live broadcasts of the producer, you cannot reject him), and in support of this in the show, Pops stated that Black Hat is the embodiment of all evil in the universe.

It has also been stated that the black hat is "It is the perfect and absolute darkness in the universe", and it has been stated twice before that it is infinite darkness itself. When we say moon, what we mean is the red eclipse, and the black hat is the red eclipse itself.

In the link you posted, all you said was that Black Hat must have the feat of abstraction in order to achieve abstract existence, and I have shown many times that he is capable of abstraction.

Buddy, i already answered to all of this

Honestly, if you don´t accept my explanations, wait someone with more knowledge on AE give his thoughts

Yes, the villainous verse is already a tape.

The video was in a tape, not the whole verse, the narrator even says that only the video was in the tape

no, we can even say that there is more dimensional travel here, when demencia goes inside it is shown to be a normal 3d world, so it can be counted as a pocket dimension.

Read the immersion page

No, Black Hat implies that she killed a former doctor who worked for her by vomiting on her, and that's why she hired Flug.

What?

He said that he vomiting on one of his subordinates created Flug, simple like that

I have already proven this to you, black hat says that he will punish aku and after the words he says, aku is completely erased from existence.

He said that Aku deserves a punishment, not that he would apply the punishment by himself

That´s literally on the video

The sun is already a living being, watch this scene. there, the person watching the Weeweenies show describes the things she sees, and everything is shown as nothingness, as shown in the photo.
Turning everything into void is void manipulation and existence erasure.

Tbh the quote doesn´t even says that he erased anything, lol, just that he saw the sun in a dark place of the universe

So yeah, it´s useless to argue over that

The cam-bot is already the show itself, and In this way flug can even manipulate the timeline of the show. black hat corrupted the tape which is the villainous world itself as shown, so it's definitely plot manipulation.

Also, it doesn't matter whether you say the episode continues, it ends the show in the upper world where the villainous world is broadcast as a cartoon.

He ending the show, but with Flug being capable of act during the plot hax demonstration makes it very doubtuful to say the minimum

But i think i can agree with this

No, it is implied that ghosts in the world increase with the presence of the red eclipse. In the other link, only ghost types are listed.

In fact, to talk about this issue in more detail, if you look at the scan I posted, you can see that it is stated that the mother poltergeist is one of the ghosts with an abstract existence.
It is stated that ghosts increase with the red eclipse, and In the mother poltergeist story, there is a reference to the fact that the black hat/red eclipse is the reason for her turning into a ghost in the paintings of her house.

Did BH ever physically interacted with her?

No, if you want, you can look at the clock in the background while the lightning strikes are still continuing and the characters are talking. The color of the clock does not change. In the 12 o'clock curse made by Black Hat, the color of the clock and the wall changes.

A lightning strike can generate more light than other lightning strikes

Also, the fact that the scene that instantly comes after it showing the lightning strikes are causing the changes on the environment´s color proves my point

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

It's Black Hat himself. But it must just be a projection of him watching. Couldn't this be a multi location?

Not without proof of himself being the darkness

Really depends. What exactly was the blue background?

Just some darkness on space

Bump

You can only bump after 8 hours

 

[RigelBR7]

Can we put a large size like 7 or 8 for BH then? Type 9 perhaps because the book he created are extensions of himself.

 

[RigelBR7]

Not without proof of himself being the darkness


Just some darkness on space


You can only bump after 8 hours

I knew that it wasn't bad lol

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Can we put a large size like 7 or 8 for BH then? Type 9 perhaps because the book he created are extensions of himself.

Leave this to another revision

I knew that it wasn't bad lol

I honestly don´t know what you meant by that, lol

 

[Greatsage13th]

Just some darkness on space

Space as in the cosmic space or just space in general.

 

[Mayon_king12]

No, it only says that he can become part of a painting, not that he naturally is part of them

yes, and she becomes part of many paintings at once, and He looks at his robot at the same time, as if it were a single mind. But if there is a thought that this is not enough, it can be "likely hive-mind" Or I could agree with you on this, more context may be needed.

What simple doesn´t proves that the paintings are BH himself

If there is another black hat character other than black hat, show it. this is one of the reasons why it counting subjective reality in the profile.

I think you can make the madness hax combat applicable, but only this one, the others aren´t showed to have instantaneous effect on people

It is already said that when Alesa Rackham saw her existence, she was immediately exposed to haxes such as disease, corruption, morality, mind and madness. Since Alesa Rackham lived in very old years, she did not have much knowledge about the people in the villainous world. So there is no information about what else he is exposed to since he saw the black hat. but these still show that the haxes I showed are directly acceptable for battle, there is no need to separate the haxs. they are all explained at the same time.

Alan himself says that this scene is just an alternative end

Supernatural Willpower is overcome extreme pain, through, well, willpower

BH didn´t even felt pain, so he doesn´t qualifies

What he means when he says alternative ending is that it is an alternative ending for the audience because the audience only knows that the scene ends with his face being ripped off. Alan says they were going to continue the scene, but they didn't because they didn't have time. An acceptable argument because it is still from villainous canonicity and says he gave tests on how the statue was destroyed.

Also, does supernaturalwillpower require pain? Then why does the lich have supernaturalwillpower?

That´s not something that the paper bag can naturally do

And even if it was, why would this be a power for BH and not only for the paper bag?

In fact, Toon Force characters can fit into trees and stones with the effects they have on the environment, and this means they have dimensional storage. these are similar.
Black Hat gets dimensional storage with the effect it has, I don't see any real reason why Black Hat shouldn't get it.

Look again at the video

Yes, time travel, but since Flug's weapon did this, Black Hat is no longer relevant.

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I say that your answer is illogical, because on the time manipulation page they gave an example of Dr.Strange changing time (exactly the same as Black Hat), and you say that there is a statement in verse that says Dr.Strange manipulates time, Then I wonder why such an incorrect example was added to the time manipulation page.

I... Was arguing that?

Unfortunately yes, since Villainous is a spanish show.

Buddy, i already answered to all of this

No, you didn't answer any of these, you didn't express your opinion, you just responded to the spanish translation.
Also, you said None of the stuff related to darkness qualifies, but this is contradictory when looking at other abstract existence profiles.

The video was in a tape, not the whole verse, the narrator even says that only the video was in the tape

The villainous verse for the narrator is just a video.

Read the immersion page

I read it, but you need to look at the clip I sent.
When demencia enters, the television screen is shown as a small static image, with the world completely in the same reality as the normal world. This counts as both pocket dimension and subjective reality.

He said that he vomiting on one of his subordinates created Flug, simple like that

created flug

No, you can look again.
Black Hat did not create Flug, Flug joined the organization by entering BHO's schools , as he explained in his diary. Black Hat implies that he vomited on one of his subordinates (he even plays with a skull in his hand while describing this, presumably the skull of the subordinates he killed) and then gets a job as Flug's new subordinate.

He said that Aku deserves a punishment, not that he would apply the punishment by himself

That´s literally on the video

no, watch the scene again flugda confirms this.
flug: "we can only do one thing with a villain like him"
black hat: "Indeed, Aku deserves a punishment..."
and immediately afterward, with black hat's words, aku is erased from existence.
It's so simple and understandable, I don't know what you still don't understand.

Tbh the quote doesn´t even says that he erased anything, lol, just that he saw the sun in a dark place of the universe

but weeweenies universe is described and shown as nothingness, everything turning into nothingness after the effect of black hat is still enough for void manipulation and existence erasure.

Did BH ever physically interacted with her?

As shown in the profile, Black Hat already interacts with ghosts.

A lightning strike can generate more light than other lightning strikes

Also, the fact that the scene that instantly comes after it showing the lightning strikes are causing the changes on the environment´s color proves my point

and no, you can look here Even though lightning strikes, the colors still do not change and the colors change after the 12 o'clock sound. In any case, no lightning sound can be heard in that scene. If you claim that there is a violent lightning, why can't even its sound be heard and lightning strikes normally, as in the entire scene.

 

[Mayon_king12]

Can we put a large size like 7 or 8 for BH then? Type 9 perhaps because the book he created are extensions of himself.

Where exactly is this stated?

 

[RigelBR7]

Onde exatamente isso é declarado?

In the book, Caleb mentions that nothing that Black Hat "creates" is really creation itself, but rather it is all extensions of himself, or of some soul that he transforms.

 

[RigelBR7]

Deixe isso para outra revisão


Sinceramente não sei o que você quis dizer com isso, haha

I translated it wrong, sorry.

 

[Mayon_king12]

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[Mayon_king12]

In the book, Caleb mentions that nothing that Black Hat "creates" is really creation itself, but rather it is all extensions of himself, or of some soul that he transforms.

Can you send this mentioned page? Maybe it will be suitable for future revisions.

 

[RigelBR7]

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[Mayon_king12]

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[Half_Shiny]

Alright there was a lot of stuff going on in this thread so I will put everything into categories so on lookers can see (I will try to keep this updated). This is a summary of the opinions found on this thread thus far (if anything needs to be put into another category just say the word).

Spoiler: Agreed on

magic, weapon creation, curse manipulation, at least trillions of years old, Attack Reflection, (mind manipulation, telepathy, empathic manipulation, morality manipulation, madness manipulation (type 2 and 3), hair manipulation, organic manipulation, disease manipulation) all non-combat applicable, light manipulation, dimensional travel, spatial manipulation, time travel, additional limbs, enhanced senses, likely resistance to holy manipulation, maddness manip, Plant manip? (people were confused on context and when context was provided a single person agreed), space survival, acusality (type 1), passive corruption

Spoiler: Contentious

existence erasure, Death Manipulation, super natural will power, Rage boost (referred to as Angry power), fear manipulation, paralysis Inducement, Invulnerability, Corruption (type 2), time manip (currently has this ability but the new evidence was not accepted)

Spoiler: Majority rejected

Conceptual Manipulation, Abstract Existence, possession, Void Manipulation, Avatar Creation, Hive Mind, Intangibility, Incorporeality, matter manipulation, deconstruction, Plot Manipulation, Dream Manip,

 

[Mayon_king12]

Alright there was a lot of stuff going on in this thread so I will put everything into categories so on lookers can see (I will try to keep this updated). This is a summary of the opinions found on this thread thus far (if anything needs to be put into another category just say the word).

thank you.
Actually, I have already crossed out the ones that have been rejected, but that's fine too.

mind manipulation, telepathy, empathic manipulation, morality manipulation, madness manipulation (type 2 and 3), hair manipulation, organic manipulation, disease manipulation) all non-combat applicable

Corruption (type 2) is missing and these are still being debated as to whether they are passive combat or non-combat.
I also added evidence that it is not non-combat.
acusality 1 everyone agreed.
Invulnerability is still controversial.
Weapon creation also accepted. don't forget about dream manipulation and passive corruption

Conceptual Manipulation, Abstract Existence, possession, Void Manipulation, Avatar Creation, Hive Mind, Intangibility, Incorporeality, matter manipulation, deconstruction, time manip (currently has this ability but the new evidence was not accepted), Plot Manipulation,

Time manipulation is still in discussion and I added a new argument about it and the other friend accepted it.

Conceptual Manipulation, Abstract Existence, Void Manipulation, Pocket reality manipulation, Avatar Creation, causality manipulation, Intangibility, Incorporeality, matter manipulation, deconstruction, plot manip, all of these are still controversial.
You were the only one who found the subject of possession suspicious, but everyone else accepted it.

Hive mind tossed out.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Advising that later i will reply here, i just didn´t got the time to do so before

 

[RigelBR7]

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[Half_Shiny]

thank you.
Actually, I have already crossed out the ones that have been rejected, but that's fine too.


Corruption (type 2) is missing and these are still being debated as to whether they are passive combat or non-combat.
I also added evidence that it is not non-combat.
acusality 1 everyone agreed.
Invulnerability is still controversial.
Weapon creation also accepted. don't forget about dream manipulation and passive corruption

Time manipulation is still in discussion and I added a new argument about it and the other friend accepted it.

Conceptual Manipulation, Abstract Existence, Void Manipulation, Pocket reality manipulation, Avatar Creation, causality manipulation, Intangibility, Incorporeality, matter manipulation, deconstruction, plot manip, all of these are still controversial.
You were the only one who found the subject of possession suspicious, but everyone else accepted it.

Was hard keeping track of everything to see if they were accepted or up in the air

we got weapon creation in there. wasn't sure on acusality. Will put time manip in contentious. I will change the wording on tossed out to majority rejected so it better shows their condition to on lookers.

I will give my input on the contentious ones in a bit, touching on a few of the majority disagreement as well

 

[Mayon_king12]

Was hard keeping track of everything to see if they were accepted or up in the air

we got weapon creation in there. wasn't sure on acusality. Will put time manip in contentious. I will change the wording on tossed out to majority rejected so it better shows their condition to on lookers

There is no complete rejection because the debate is still ongoing, so opinions may change.
only two people came and the discussion was not over with one of them anyway . I can argue with you too, but I'll have to answer later.
Weapon creation is treated as just creation, so I thought of adding it.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Finally got time to reply here

yes, and she becomes part of many paintings at once, and He looks at his robot at the same time, as if it were a single mind. But if there is a thought that this is not enough, it can be "likely have-mind".

You didnt understood the problem...

I agree that he can become part of a paint, the problem is that he wasn´t part of the paints that looked at the robot, and there is no proof that he was

If there is another black hat character other than black hat, show it. this is one of the reasons why it counting subjective reality in the profile.

You gotta be kidding me

Why it would need to have someone inside the paint for it move? Why it can´t be the painting move by itself? This video ins´t even on his subjective reality section, idk of what you are talking about

It is already said that when Alesa Rackham saw her existence, she was immediately exposed to haxes such as disease, corruption, morality, mind and madness.

Fragment of the text where this happens?

What he means when he says alternative ending is that it is an alternative ending for the audience because the audience only knows that the scene ends with his face being ripped off. Alan says they were going to continue the scene, but they didn't because they didn't have time. An acceptable argument because it is still from villainous canonicity and says he gave tests on how the statue was destroyed.

That scene was replaced by other and the supposed alternative ending never happened in canon

So yeah, no, it can´t be used

Also, does supernatural willpower require pain?

Not necessary

Then why does the lich have supernaturalwillpower?

I never watched Adventure Time so i can´t give a definitive answer, but, according to his profile, he still felt pain, but could endure it

In fact, Toon Force characters can fit into trees and stones with the effects they have on the environment, and this means they have dimensional storage. these are similar.
Black Hat gets dimensional storage with the effect it has, I don't see any real reason why Black Hat shouldn't get it.

Yes, because this is something they can naturally do, also, answered above:

That´s not something that the paper bag can naturally do

And even if it was, why would this be a power for BH and not only for the paper bag?

I say that your answer is illogical, because on the time manipulation page they gave an example of Dr.Strange changing time (exactly the same as Black Hat), and you say that there is a statement in verse that says Dr.Strange manipulates time, Then I wonder why such an incorrect example was added to the time manipulation page.

Dr. Strange literally uses an artefact named "Time Stone" to realize the feat

BH was never stated to be directly reversing time to fix the destroyed object

No, you didn't answer any of these, you didn't express your opinion, you just responded to the spanish translation.

Except that i did, i even linked another CRT were i explained this better

Also, you said None of the stuff related to darkness qualifies, but this is contradictory when looking at other abstract existence profiles.

Strawman fallacy

I never said that you can´t get AE through being the concept of darkness, i just said that BH doesn´t qualifies

The villainous verse for the narrator is just a video.

The Narrator always refer only to the video, he never said that the whole verse was a tape

You are completely misinterpreting the scene

I read it, but you need to look at the clip I sent.
When demencia enters, the television screen is shown as a small static image, with the world completely in the same reality as the normal world. This counts as both pocket dimension and subjective reality.

No, it doesn´t, at best, it is only Subjective Reality

If you say that it is Subjective Reality, then there is no real pocket dimension and everything inside the TV is fictional

If you say that it is Pocket Reality Hax, then there is no fiction to be bring to reality and then execute the subjetive reality feat

Your own points contradict each other

created flug

No, you can look again.
Black Hat did not create Flug, Flug joined the organization by entering BHO's schools , as he explained in his diary. Black Hat implies that he vomited on one of his subordinates (he even plays with a skull in his hand while describing this, presumably the skull of the subordinates he killed) and then gets a job as Flug's new subordinate.

By "created Flug" i meant "Transformed Flug into what he is and is the reason of why he uses the paper bag"

He literally says Flug "emerged" from that

no, watch the scene again flugda confirms this.
flug: "we can only do one thing with a villain like him"
black hat: "Indeed, Aku deserves a punishment..."
and immediately afterward, with black hat's words, aku is erased from existence.
It's so simple and understandable, I don't know what you still don't understand.

I think i can agree with "Possibly Existence Erasure"

But weeweenies universe is described and shown as nothingness, everything turning into nothingness after the effect of black hat is still enough for void manipulation and existence erasure.

No, it ins´t, it just says that the sun was in a dark place, not that BH erased everything and turned it into darkness

As shown in the profile, Black Hat already interacts with ghosts.

We don´t know that the ghosts BH interacted with are the ones that have Abstract Existence

We are going on circles here

and no, you can look here Even though lightning strikes, the colors still do not change and the colors change after the 12 o'clock sound. In any case, no lightning sound can be heard in that scene. If you claim that there is a violent lightning, why can't even its sound be heard and lightning strikes normally, as in the entire scene.

Well, you could simple watch the rest of the scenes to see that the color does change

Also, this wouldn´t even be matter manipulation, even if he was directly changing the color of the wall, what he ins´t, he would just be changing its ink

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I will try to summary my thoughts (At least the thoughts that i have now):

Spoiler: Agree

Intangibility, avatar creation
Attack Reflection
Mind manipulation, telepathy, corruption (typ 2) empathic manipulation, morality manipulation, madness manipulation (type 2 and 3), hair manipulation, organic manipulation, disease manipulation (As Non-Combat applicable)
Combat-applicable Madness Hax
Possession (Agree with the third link, neutral on the two first)
Plant Manipulation
Light Manipulation
Dimensional Travel
Spatial Hax
Time Hax (Agree with first example, disagree with the second)
Magic, Weapon creation
Death Hax
Additional limbs
Space survival
limited Acausality
Enhanced Senses
Fear manipulation, paralysis Inducement
Resistance to Holy manipulation
"Possibly Existence Erasure" due to Aku's example
Dream manipulation

Spoiler: disagree

Trillions of years age (Pops and Anti-Pops doesn´t actually borns with creation, only trillions of years after it happens)
The whole "Abstract darkness on space" part
Hive Mind
Invulnerability
The abilities being passive
Matter manipulation
DImensional Storage
Supernatural willpower and deconstruction
Time Travel
Second TIme manipulation link
Incorporeality, passive corruption and Abstract existence (although i can also consider myself as neutral)
Plot manipulation and Pocket reality manipulation
Causality Manipulation
Existence erasure and Void manipulation (Sun example)
Conceptual manipulation
Resistance to Mind manipulation

Spoiler: neutral

Rage Power and Plot manipulation
Curse Manipulation
Incorporeality, passive corruption and Abstract existence (although i can also consider myself as disagree)
Existence erasure and Void manipulation (The example of the show being take out of the air)

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Space as in the cosmic space or just space in general.

Cosmic Space

Time manipulation is still in discussion and I added a new argument about it and the other friend accepted it.

 

[Half_Shiny]

There is no complete rejection because the debate is still ongoing, so opinions may change.

I agree once the arguments are settled I will move them into contentious or accepted, this is just to provide the current on look of what is going on in the thread.





existence erasure: Accepted
I agree. The full context when this was given is the following
It looked like this (minus the laser beams), then was changed by BH to this. Erasing everything around them.

Death Manip: neutral

Death manipulation ( those who don't work for black hat die. black hat vomiting can kill.
those who see black hat's eye die, and Black Hat can even use it as an attack )

First one is a threat and show of power, not an ability. 2nd is Breath attack. I don't like using the livestreams unless it supports already existing evidence given to us, neutral on this. I don't agree with the last part being used.

Supernatural Willpower/Deconstruction: disagree

supernatural willpower, deconstruction ( In the sequel to the sculpting evil short, it is stated that Black Hat was not satisfied with ripping off her own face, shattered an entire statue into millions of pieces )

As mentioned before this is not put into the final version.


fear manipulation, paralysis Inducement: accepted

fear manipulation, paralysis Inducement ( It strikes fear someone watching the weeweenies show and immobilizes their body completely )

I mean...sure?

invulnerability: Disagree

invulnerability, attack reflection ( It should be comparable to aku, and he states that divine energy is simple and insignificant, belittles aku for not resisting it. even copy of it is immune to traditional attacks and reflects these attacks with its body )

He is just insulting Aku. If you want to go down this route it is either the resistance to holy manip or invulnerability. With resistance to holy manip given much more proof (with BH providing weapons that counter weapons given by gods)


time manip: (already in profile)

time manipulation ( As the creator of the book, she also created the time in the book. It brings a vase to the moment when it is not broken )

The first scan is just what is in the profile already, time itself did not pass till the book was opened up. Which started the first volume. Second more about creation which does not mean manipulation, and third is just telekinesis.

Corruption (type 2): Disagree

mind manipulation, telepathy, corruption (typ 2) empathic manipulation, morality manipulation, madness manipulation (type 2 and 3), hair manipulation, organic manipulation, disease manipulation ( In true form all passive; just watching black hat and hearing its comments causes physical, mental and emotional harm to people. prolonged exposition to this can lead to loss of sanity, soul, hair, nails, welti, itching, heavy smot, stomachache, headache, infectious mononucleosis, inflamed tomili, gases, nausua, need to go to the bathroom, arthritis and swollen eyes, spasms, laughing attacks, urgency to use hats, viilanousness, extreme evil, tang or sharper teeth, hyperactivity among others.
Even alesa rackham, one of the members of the blackened authors who worked for him, was exposed to many of these characteristics the moment she saw his true existence )

We don't know how the employees got that way. Character Charlie never met BH.

matter manipulation: DISAGREE????

matter manipulation ( changed the color of the wall and clock )

That is lightning plain and simple the fact this is gotten to page two??? The BEST CASE if you truly want to say it is an ability is light manipulation.

 

[Aolphl]

I've discussed most of the things here, and I've also expressed my opinion about more or less everything.

dream manipulation ( Its presence in the universe affects people's dreams )

There's not a single word on the page about Black Hat or any Villainous characters, so why would this be Dream Manipulation?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Existence erasure: Accepted
I agree. The full context when this was given is the following
It looked like this (minus the laser beams), then was changed by BH to this. Erasing everything around them.

The First picture is a view of the Sun from Earth

The second picture is a close view of the Sun from space (Which is obviously dark), so i don't see why he would need to erase everything If space is already dark enough for the picture have a black background

 

[Half_Shiny]

The First picture is a view of the Sun from Earth

The second picture is a close view of the Sun from space (Which is obviously dark), so i don't see why he would need to erase everything If space is already dark enough for the picture have a black background

Ah that is my B. Grabbed the wrong picture.

What I meant was it went from this to to this

If the episode was to play out normally the forest, trees, etc would have been there. Instead they are just floating in static.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Ah that is my B. Grabbed the wrong picture.

What I meant was it went from this to to this

If the episode was to play out normally the forest, trees, etc would have been there. Instead they are just floating in static.

This is a weird feat tbh, since the show is fictional and the image implies that BH "took it out of air" but the characters still survived

Neutral on this then

 

[Mayon_king12]

You didnt understood the problem...

I agree that he can become part of a paint, the problem is that he wasn´t part of the paints that looked at the robot, and there is no proof that he was

Why it would need to have someone inside the paint for it move? Why it can´t be the painting move by itself? This video ins´t even on his subjective reality section, idk of what you are talking about

In the subjective reality section of the profile, Black Hat's pictures are already considered as Black Hat itself. But now I agree, it seems like more context is needed.

Fragment of the text where this happens?

If you read the whole page, it is stated many times that he experienced these things. for example:
"until after an illness that left her in bed for several weeks, he drastically changed his way of writing and being. Friends and family claimed that after recovering. Alesa's behavior became erratic, almost to the point of believing that the condition had seriously affected her mental faculties" Alesa claimed that when she suffered from that illness that left her bedridden, some visions and hallucinations made her see herself floating in the darkness in the middle of nowhere...
Once she had overcome this illness, Alesa stopped having those horrendous visions. but what she heard during those feverish epiphanies marked her deeply, so much so that in some way, she tried to describe them in her verses and prose."

disease, morality manipulation, mind manipulation, telepathy It is clearly visible here (probably hallucination, perception manipulation etc could be added but I see these as appropriate for future revisions)

"After several tortuous months, Alesa was admitted to Saint Muller Hospital in Poland. After some time hospitalized, her health worsened. She remained in a catatonic state until the end of her days, where she seemed totally absorbed in her thoughts. One of the hospital nurses said "It's as if her existence was fading little by little without any echo"."

Here clearly type 2 corruption is appropriate. which even the other haxs seem to corruptly cover alesa.

That scene was replaced by other and the supposed alternative ending never happened in canon

So yeah, no, it can´t be used

No, I think you misunderstood this. The scene wasn't replaced, they just didn't continue the scene.
You can look at what Alan said: "The point is that we don't have the time for that scene either so it was cut it out, What we have here is a test of how the statue gets destroyed. It's a short one too."
This is happening in the completely villainous canon. Alan is just saying that they can't continue the scene.

I never watched Adventure Time so i can´t give a definitive answer, but, according to his profile, he still felt pain, but could endure it

No, you can see that the lich literally pain manipulation resistance and Supernatural willpower are the same. I don't see any reason why Black Hat shouldn't get it too.

Yes, because this is something they can naturally do, also, answered above:

so shouldn't this be treated as dimensional storage via reality warping?

Dr. Strange literally uses an artefact named "Time Stone" to realize the feat

BH was never stated to be directly reversing time to fix the destroyed object

Apparently you are very right in a way, it should be noted that this is direct time manipulation.
But shouldn't this be physics manipulation or matter manipulation?

Except that i did, i even linked another CRT were i explained this better

I don't understand what you don't accept right now, These have nothing to do with other CRT. completely different.
but I guess you don't want to drag this issue out too long, your decision is obviously clear.

To give additional evidence, Alan Iturel defines the evil that Black Hat embodies as concept

Strawman fallacy

I never said that you can´t get AE through being the concept of darkness, i just said that BH doesn´t qualifies

why? It is directly stated that the black hat is the perfect and absolute darkness in the universe. If you already know these words, it is directly implied that it is the concept of darkness in the universe. In fact, it has been stated many times as an infinite darkness to support this. even DC comics too the great darkness receives AE in a similar way

The Narrator always refer only to the video, he never said that the whole verse was a tape

You are completely misinterpreting the scene

But something you forgot, the narrator's world is the real world, and he sees the entire villainous verse as a cartoon. the entire verse is still a video for the narrator.
I don't see misinterpretation here because it directly disrupts the real world broadcast of the show

No, it doesn´t, at best, it is only Subjective Reality

If you say that it is Subjective Reality, then there is no real pocket dimension and everything inside the TV is fictional

If you say that it is Pocket Reality Hax, then there is no fiction to be bring to reality and then execute the subjetive reality feat

Your own points contradict each other

oh I really forgot about that, you were right to remind me, I thought it was pocket reality manipulation just because there is a real world inside a tape, but I forgot that this world is a fictional tape. You are right, this subjective reality.

By "created Flug" i meant "Transformed Flug into what he is and is the reason of why he uses the paper bag"

He literally says Flug "emerged" from that

I understand the misunderstanding but not really. This is confirmed to be untrue in some parts of the series and in the books. there's nothing implying that, flug's paper bag is another question that hasn't been explained anyway. Black Hat mentions another subordinate in the clip and then he says flug is here.

I think i can agree with "Possibly Existence Erasure"

In the scene, it is clearly shown that he erases Aku. after his words, Aku is completely erased. I don't think it should be "possibly" but I respect your opinion.

No, it ins´t, it just says that the sun was in a dark place, not that BH erased everything and turned it into darkness

If you are aware, the worlds and universes of the characters' backgrounds are not visible and only a static image opens. and one of the characters, the place where the sun is located, is defined as void. this means black hat deleted the entire show universe and reduction it to void.
It cannot be said that this is space or darkness because there is no space's star or world of the show around. and it is stated by the person watching what is happening that it is in the void of the universe

We are going on circles he

I haven't seen this.
In the clip I sent you before, it was stated that the mother poltergeist was a BHO member.
As you know, BHO members sign agreements with Black Hat and hand over their existence to it, and Black Hat interacts with them.
Black Hat has also been shown to interact with ghost children who interact with the mother poltergeist.
Also, I wonder what the interaction issue has to do with conceptual manipulation?

Well, you could simple watch the rest of the scenes to see that the color does change

Also, this wouldn´t even be matter manipulation, even if he was directly changing the color of the wall, what he ins´t, he would just be changing its ink

The fact that not even a sound can be heard from the lightning you claim when it is 12 o'clock on the stage and the colors do not change with the lightning in the background makes what you say quite suspicious, but I probably agree with this now.

Isn't changing the color of a direct object, that is, its matter, a matter manipulation?

There is no problem with the age of anti pops and pops.
That's what was implied in the scene.
the ages of Anti Pops and Pops are the same in both villainous and regular show. If you want, you can look at the age in the anti pops profile.

Also, I don't know why you think "limited acausality", for this to be limited you need to show that the black hat is still affected by the erasure of aku from existence.
Even Rick Sanchez gets it for the exact same reason.

 

[Mayon_king12]

First one is a threat and show of power, not an ability. 2nd is Breath attack. I don't like using the livestreams unless it supports already existing evidence given to us, neutral on this. I don't agree with the last part being used.

It's not a breath attack because it's not his breath attack that does it, but his vomit.
I think it is enough to throw a CN animation ad supporting the producer's live broadcasts.

As mentioned before this is not put into the final version.

I have an answer here that this is acceptable

The scene wasn't replaced, they just didn't continue the scene.
You can look at what Alan said: "The point is that we don't have the time for that scene either so it was cut it out, What we have here is a test of how the statue gets destroyed. It's a short one too."
This is happening in the completely villainous canon. Alan is just saying that they can't continue the scene.

He is just insulting Aku. If you want to go down this route it is either the resistance to holy manip or invulnerability. With resistance to holy manip given much more proof (with BH providing weapons that counter weapons given by gods)

then this removes "probably".
I also have a more detailed answer regarding invulnerability

As I said, it is implied by dr.flug that black hat is much better than aku in terms of hax, and black hat states that someone like aku will only be affected by such simple things, he says this to aku. Even though he knew that Aku was invulnerable. It should also be reminded that the main reason why Aku and Black Hat are compared, especially in the episode, is that they are both beings made of darkness.
Black hat should definitely be compared with its invulnerability.

Also, as confirmed by Alan Iturel, there is nothing that can harm black hat. According to Flug's theory, there could be only one thing that could harm him. question 10

There is ample evidence of invulnerability.

The first scan is just what is in the profile already, time itself did not pass till the book was opened up. Which started the first volume. Second more about creation which does not mean manipulation, and third is just telekinesis.

Time manipulation is only "possibly" considered in the profile so I'd like to clarify that.
Also, from what I have seen, creation sometimes also applies to manipulations. especially when Black Hat creates a book and adds timelines to it should be time manipulation.
Moreover, Black Hat not only created time in the book, but it is also shown that she can change the nature of time by making the time in the book pass differently.

We don't know how the employees got that way. Character Charlie never met BH.

Charley doesn't have much to do with this issue right now.
Historically recorded information is narrated by Charley. describes what one of the members of the blackened authors, experienced when they saw the true existence of Black Hat.

That is lightning plain and simple the fact this is gotten to page two??? The BEST CASE if you truly want to say it is an ability is light manipulation

The main reason why this took so long was that it remained a bit unclear.
And I gave my final answer to this.
I agree with you on this.

 

[Mayon_king12]

There's not a single word on the page about Black Hat or any Villainous characters, so why would this be Dream Manipulation?

On the page, it is stated that darkness has taken over the dreams of people in the villainous world, and there are theories about it being caused by a terrible entity in its dimensions.
The only source of darkness in the Villainous world is black hat, the being that troubles people, and even alan Iturel states that Black Hat can pass into the world of dreams.

 

[Half_Shiny]

It's not a breath attack because it's not his breath attack that does it, but his vomit.
I think it is enough to throw a CN animation ad supporting the producer's live broadcasts.

"Breath attacks are abilities or moves that are projected as breath from the character's mouth"

I have an answer here that this is acceptable

The scene wasn't replaced, they just didn't continue the scene.
You can look at what Alan said: "The point is that we don't have the time for that scene either so it was cut it out, What we have here is a test of how the statue gets destroyed. It's a short one too."
This is happening in the completely villainous canon. Alan is just saying that they can't continue the scene.

1. Its still not in the final version so it can't go in.
2. What about this has any correlation with deconstruction and rage power?

"...other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability"
If he got deconstruction then we would need to know how the statue was broken at all. Cause he could have easily used AP to get the exact same result.

then this removes "probably".
I also have a more detailed answer regarding invulnerability

There is ample evidence of invulnerability.
As I said, it is implied by dr.flug that black hat is much better than aku in terms of hax, and black hat states that someone like aku will only be affected by such simple things, he says this to aku. Even though he knew that Aku was invulnerable. It should also be reminded that the main reason why Aku and Black Hat are compared, especially in the episode, is that they are both beings made of darkness.
Black hat should definitely be compared with its invulnerability.

Also, as confirmed by Alan Iturel, there is nothing that can harm black hat. According to Flug's theory, there could be only one thing that could harm him. question 10

I take wog statement as a possible at best and this is only a theory.

Time manipulation is only "possibly" considered in the profile so I'd like to clarify that.
Also, from what I have seen, creation sometimes also applies to manipulations. especially when Black Hat creates a book and adds timelines to it should be time manipulation.
Moreover, Black Hat not only created time in the book, but it is also shown that she can change the nature of time by making the time in the book pass differently.

I agree he has time manipulation and should remove possible. The evidence that was provided in the first part was non applicable. Creation=/=Manip. But I agree on Time manip

Edit: no you are gonna need to add some proof pf him adding in timelines to the book. I don't agree

Charley doesn't have much to do with this issue right now.
Historically recorded information is narrated by Charley. describes what one of the members of the blackened authors, experienced when they saw the true existence of Black Hat.

I would like to apologize for the charlie thing. A sudden illness that changes their entire mind I believe it.

Where are you getting true form from though?

 

[Mayon_king12]

Breath attacks are abilities or moves that are projected as breath from the character's mouth"

oh, I guess you're right about that. but it can still be considered as death manipulation.

1. Its still not in the final version so it can't go in.
2. What about this has any correlation with deconstruction and rage power?

"...other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability"
If he got deconstruction then we would need to know how the statue was broken at all. Cause he could have easily used AP to get the exact same result.

1. This is just an uncontinued scene.
Alan Iturel still mentions Villainous as part of the timeline
2. There is no complete evidence that there will be anger power from here.
It is stated that he not only smashed his face, but also smashed the statue into millions of pieces when he got angry.

If you look at the rest of the clip I posted, the area gives a test on how the statue was destroyed.
Black Hat vaporized the statue and shattered it into a million pieces.
The Lich has a similar deconstruction that Black Hat should have had as well.

I take wog statement as a possible at best and this is only a theory

In other words, Black Hat's underestimation of Aku, who has invulnerability, in terms of resist, and Flug's statement that Black Hat has much better abilities than Aku, and the author's approval should have been enough for invulnerability.

I agree he has time manipulation and should remove possible. The evidence that was provided in the first part was non applicable

it is stated that the timeline is different in the book, shouldn't creating the timeline differently be time manipulation anyway?

Creation=/=Manip. But I agree on Time manip

Edit: no you are gonna need to add some proof pf him adding in timelines to the book. I don't agree

Well, actually, there is not only creation here. In the book, it is revealed that
Black Hat does not actually create life, but that the beings created by him are a part, an extension, of himself. and the book describes itself as a living being.
black hat needs to scale directly to the capabilities of the book. So with features like the timelines that is part of the book and time stopping when the book is closed, black hat needs to get direct time manipulation.

Moreover, the manipulation of causality by creating paradoxes should be acceptable
again.

causality manipulation ( the owner and creator of the book that creates paradoxical decisions

I would like to apologize for the charlie thing. A sudden illness that changes their entire mind I believe it.

Where are you getting true form from though?

I have an explanation regarding this.

If you read the whole page, it is stated many times that he experienced these things. for example:
"until after an illness that left her in bed for several weeks, he drastically changed his way of writing and being. Friends and family claimed that after recovering. Alesa's behavior became erratic, almost to the point of believing that the condition had seriously affected her mental faculties" Alesa claimed that when she suffered from that illness that left her bedridden, some visions and hallucinations made her see herself floating in the darkness in the middle of nowhere...
Once she had overcome this illness, Alesa stopped having those horrendous visions. but what she heard during those feverish epiphanies marked her deeply, so much so that in some way, she tried to describe them in her verses and prose."

disease, morality manipulation, mind manipulation, telepathy It is clearly visible here (probably hallucination, perception manipulation etc could be added but I see these as appropriate for future revisions)

"After several tortuous months, Alesa was admitted to Saint Muller Hospital in Poland. After some time hospitalized, her health worsened. She remained in a catatonic state until the end of her days, where she seemed totally absorbed in her thoughts. One of the hospital nurses said "It's as if her existence was fading little by little without any echo"."

Here clearly type 2 corruption is appropriate. which even the other haxs seem to corruptly cover alesa.

Where are you getting true form from though?

It's about abstract existence, The Alesa Racham story also supports Incorporeality situation.

It is stated that before Aldo Maldona possessed her body, she was actually a non-existent being and an entity that existed only in absolute darkness and the complete destruction of order, this shows that it actually exists purely as abstraction

and third is just telekinesis.

I haven't seen this.
If this were telekinesis, the vase would fall to the ground with its pieces again.
I think this is physics or matter manipulation Or just reality warping