Black Clover: Durability Negation, Non Physical Interaction, Stealth & Power Nullification. THE FINAL SHOWDOWN

[Arnoldstone18]

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This is a thread about Devil Union Asta, Yuno, Yami, Natch & Lucifero

First, Durability Negation

Asta in Devil Union Mode should have durability negation.
it is clear that Lucifero is far stronger than Asta, Capable of holding a strike from Asta with his pure strength but he realized Asta was able to harm him as he cut himself with Asta's Sword. Despite being far stronger than Asta, Lucifero is very wary of being killed by Asta's antimagic slashes as a result even though he is not even fazed by any of the attacks from the captains as he simply walks right through all of their attacks. with Lucifero even going as far as to deem him the most Dangerous but the easiest to kill..

Antimagic just simply works on him

The profile should go like this:
Asta: Durability Negation with Anti Magic slashes in Union Mode (capable of cutting Lucifero with a slash, forcing him to be wary of all his Anti-Magic attacks, despite being utterly outmatched in strength).

Secondly, Non-physical Interaction

Asta is capable of slashing Naamah and Lillith who both have intangible bodies.

Thrid we have Power Nullification.

Yuno is capable of nullifying Lucifero's gravity magic in a short radius, The stars are also unaffected by the gravity

Lastly, Stealth and Clone creation with Kid's Playground

This spell is used to create an environment where the casters and their teammates literally hide in the shadows and sneak up on a target from any angle for an attack, it also creates distractions in form of clones which take the form of those within the shadows, physically attack the opponent.

This should be added to Unite Mode Canis Natch and Yami's profiles

sigh, Weakness for Asta:

Due to Asta's passive power nullification in Devil Union mode, he is ineffective in a team with other mages as any magical advantages offered by a mage would not work on him. As shown with Natch and Yami's Kid's playground

Lucifero: Body Control, manipulated his wings into arms to impale yami and nacht

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Let's get this show on the road, Also the blur indicates spoiler

 

[Nierre]

following

 

[45Saef]

Following

 

[Azevedo128]

Wouldn't this imply that all AP feats DU Asta showed until now become null and since his Dura Neg only works on magic then this would essentially massively nerf him in VS Threads?

Also it's Nacht not Natch

 

[speedster352]

I agree fra

 

[Quantu]

Asta's dura negation working on Luci in DU is still literally because of the nature of anti magic, not because it inherently negates stronger opponents. IIRC the captains even stated only Asta could kill him due to the Anti Magic

Maybe limited Durability Negation (can negate magic)?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Wouldn't this imply that all AP feats DU Asta showed until now become null and since his Dura Neg only works on magic then this would essentially massively nerf him in VS Threads?

Also it's Nacht not Natch

Nope!

The Freezing Sun baseball feat is still valid in my opinion even though that's not on his page for some odd reason. And his devil union is given a far higher rating so I don't really care if that rating gets nuked and replaced with Durability Negation

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Agree with this stuff but his Dura neg should be specified so it only worked on beings made of Magic

 

[Azevedo128]

Agree with this stuff but his Dura neg should be specified so it only worked on beings made of Magic

Devils aren't made of magic though.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Asta's dura negation working on Luci in DU is still literally because of the nature of anti magic, not because it inherently negates stronger opponents. IIRC the captains even stated only Asta could kill him due to the Anti Magic

Maybe limited Durability Negation (can negate magic)?

I'm pretty sure people with common sense will realize its magic-related durability negation

But I don't mind making it specific. maybe a Note: can be added or whatever

 

[Damage3245]

Antimagic just simply works on him

This seems more like a weakness of Lucifero himself than Anti-Magic just negating all durability.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Devils aren't made of magic though.

True but they can manipulate their bodies in ways that can be only possible through magic.

we really do need a devil physiology page man

 

[Quantu]

This seems more like a weakness of Lucifero himself than Anti-Magic just negating all durability.

Anti-Magic works on all magic, it's not a specific weakness of Lucifero. For verse equalization, Asta would just null their energy/power

 

[Azevedo128]

True but they can manipulate their bodies in ways that can be only possible through magic.

we really do need a devil physiology page man

Not sure if that's true or not. The only devil without magic we know(Liebe)
has never sustained any serious injuries that would show his body control/regen.

 

[Nightshade]

Following

 

[Gumball_Ushiromiya]

Agree with limited dura neg

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This seems more like a weakness of Lucifero himself than Anti-Magic just negating all durability.

hmm... I see why you might see that. But it is pretty much implied to be a power that gives Asta the ability to slash magical beings regardless of their magic power. Especially with this attack that is treated as if demon slasher can slash whoever Asta and Leibe want while also ignoring those who they want to protect in the way of the slash. And definitely, Lucifero won't want that anywhere near him

Antimagic just simply works on him

The only reason the captains acted like this is that they were simply shocked.

 

[KingTempest]

If you really need to put it as dura neg, then it should be "Dura negation against pure magical beings"

 

[Arnoldstone18]

No problemo

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This was actually established a long time ago

 

[Gumball_Ushiromiya]

If you really need to put it as dura neg, then it should be "Dura negation against pure mag

That's what he was going for

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This was actually established a long time ago

Yep Yep

However, that is the case of those that are made of mana. So Pre Timeskip wasn't ready for the level of the physical bodies of magical beings

In short, Devils aren't made of mana

 

[Motional]

Agree with limited dura neg

Durability neg?...no
Anti Magic just simply works on lucifero
What's all this dura neg talk

 

[Gumball_Ushiromiya]

Durability neg?...no
Anti Magic just simply works on lucifero
What's all this dura neg talk

Read the argument above, it's limited to magical beings only
Hence the "limited" in my statement

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yep yep
i assume everyone is fine with the other abilities from Yami, Nacht, and Yuno added?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If you really need to put it as dura neg, then it should be "Dura negation against pure magical beings"

Agree with this

 

[Theendzero13]

Limited dura null on beings made out of magic is fine , not sure if yuno stars are full powernull or just powernull against gravity based stuff would prefer more info on that one

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Dura negation of beings made of magic and devils is more appropriate. because devils aren't made of magic

 

[Arnoldstone18]

bump

Admin, I summon thee for thy thoughts

 

[Arnoldstone18]

BUMP!!!

 

[Tatsumi504]

Mana can be used to null both physical and magical attacks. The more of it you possess the better your durability.
Devils just have so much mama they're able to shake of basically anything they're attacked with.
Isn't asta in DU just bulling the protection they receive from their mana?

Also regarding devils not being magical beings, isn't that a strecth? With the way anti-magic works on them its basically established they're or they're partly magical.

 

[Azevedo128]

Mana can be used to null both physical and magical attacks. The more of it you possess the better your durability.
Devils just have so much mama they're able to shake of basically anything they're attacked with.
Isn't asta in DU just bulling the protection they receive from their mana?

Also regarding devils not being magical beings, isn't that a strecth? With the way anti-magic works on them its basically established they're or they're partly magical.

Liebe's existence shows that they're not made of magic.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Yep yep

 

[Arnoldstone18]

not sure if yuno stars are full powernull or just powernull against gravity based stuff would prefer more info on that one

By the way, it’s a bit weird for Yuno’s star magic to negate ONLY gravity based stuff.

Doesn’t matter to me anyways it should still qualify for powernull and should go like this

Power nullification: (Yuno’s star is able to encase his comrades in a dome of short radius which nullifies the effects of the presence of the demon king)

 

[Theendzero13]

By the way, it’s a bit weird for Yuno’s star magic to negate ONLY gravity based stuff.

Doesn’t to me anyways it should still qualify for powernull and should go like this

Power nullification: (Yuno’s star is able to encase his comrades in a dome of short radius which nullifies the effects of the presence of the demon king)

Actually it negating only gravity is more consistent considering how stars have their own gravitational field
As well as mimosa being able to use magic just fine and hus other star constructs not nulling zenon's attacks

 

[Arnoldstone18]

hus other star constructs not nulling zenon's attacks

Not trying to be Nitpicky but this caught my eye…
So, character profiles with the power nullification ability must be able to nullify any type of attack within their verse? Even if their attacks have the ability to literally slash space apart? Or would he cause the bones to disappear when he can simply break them apart regardless…

Actually it negating only gravity is more consistent considering how stars have their own gravitational field

I’m no Physics expert

but don’t stars have a gravitational field due to their mass? Do Yuno’s stars have the mass necessary to create its own field on earth.. or Yuno has the ability to manipulate gravity simply because he has a magic star…

 

[Arnoldstone18]

not nulling zenon's attacks

observe

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This is definitely just a magic shield

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This is definitely just a magic shield

You’re probably right
Same thing was used to neg the gravity.

a magic shield that negs gravity counts for wuh? NPI? Or Force Field creation or both

btw Yuno can increase the radius with more stars