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Bill Cipher vs the Lord of Games

KarmodF said:
Gyro is better to put the name of the voters like Chewie and Zachary so we dont confuse the votes.
I have done so.
 
yes but bill will react first since bill's nigh omniscience expands what seems to be way more than simply gravity falls' universe while you said LoG nigh omniscience is for the universe and other games so bil would be the more likely of the two to shoot first and we know bill just likes to get things done and over as seen with the time baby feat
 
LoG has both, and both are well described in bis page, not to emntion that your argument contradicts itself, you said that Bill has better Nigh-Omniscience because he could know more than everything in Gravity Falls, while LoG has the same rating for Nigh-Omniscience just with two franchises, so LoG>Bill's omniscience.
 
No what I meant was bill's nigh omniscience isn't limited to the gravity falls universe it extends past that into what seems to be the multiversal area (He said he has access to multiple realites and they should be no different than gravity falls for his nigh omniscience he even says it is good to be back in gravity falls implying he was in a different universe with his nigh omniscience
 
Kinda the same for LoG wich inplies he knows about the Halo and evem Killer Instinct universes, woth Halo having an Infinite amount of realities, but that would be speculation and crossing canons, so at best he is implied to know about the Banjo universe and some more.
 
The problem is that LoG says he knows those franchises at its fullest and that he created them, so It wouldnt be 4th Wall Breaking (Altough he should have) and he also should have Precog. since he knew the entire game from start to end in the first 10 minutes of it.
 
Bill's precog is at the very least an entire persons life seemingly instanly but we don't know the full extent of it but this may help a little with clarification
 
@Totallynotchewbacca, even though we don't know the full extent, his pregno is definitely combat applicable.
 
Just want to point out that Lord of Games' not only instantly changes the plot and genre of the game, it also changes past events to make that plot make sense. It's very powerful plot manipulation.

And again what does Bill have to stop LOG from simply going 'The plot is now that I will always win, no matter what'?
 
GyroNutz said:
Just want to point out that Lord of Games' not only instantly changes the plot and genre of the game, it also changes past events to make that plot make sense. It's very powerful plot manipulation.
And again what does Bill have to stop LOG from simply going 'The plot is now that I will always win, no matter what'?
@GyroNutz, Plot Manipulation is longer the hax it used to as it caused confusions and subject to wank and No limit Fallacy. Hence, the staffs change the definition to high-end reality warping. Causality Manipulation itself is enough to countered, as Lord of Nightmares would be unable to manipulate the plot correctly if the effect is preceding the cause, causing the script to be all over the place.
 
Could you send a link as to where this was discussed?

Not that it matters since Bill doesn't have any resistance to reality warping either. Can he use his causality manipulation before LOG plot-manips? If not, then it's not a counter since he'd have already been affected.
 
GyroNutz said:
Could you send a link as to where this was discussed?
Not that it matters since Bill doesn't have any resistance to reality warping either. Can he use his causality manipulation before LOG plot-manips? If not, then it's not a counter since he'd have already been affected.
It given in battle, especially in tier 2 or higher since Reality Warping is no longer considered a Hax at these tiers that if two characters got it then they each negated each other Reality Warping.

Plot Manipulation Weakness - from a Question and Answer, it stated that it a case by case basis. Also, Lord of Nightmares's Plot Manipulation don't have any feats bypassing said abilities in the Question and Answer thread above so at best, again, it just high-end Reality Warping which can be bypassed by stronger hax like Causality Manipulation.
 
No... reality warping is a hax. And when you have two people, one with worse reality warping than the other, then they can't negate each other's reality warping. And you still haven't provided a link for your last claim.

They said it depends on the potency of the conceptual manipulation. Bill has bad conceptual manipulation so that's not an answer. And they never mentioned causality manipulation. Also please stop linking Lord of Nightmare's profile lol

Burden of the proof is on you; has Bill Cipher's hax ever bypassed plot manipulation?
 
GyroNutz said:
No... reality warping is a hax. And when you have two people, one with worse reality warping than the other, then they can't negate each other's reality warping. And you still haven't provided a link for your last claim.
negated = would causing interference. In any case, it won't bypassed Bill Cipher's Low-godly regen.

link for the last claim = Local Dorito attempts to terrorize local high school girl agai Against, another Plot manipulator, Bill's Causality Manipulation and his other abilities could negate it.

They said it depends on the potency of the conceptual manipulation. Bill has bad conceptual manipulation so that's not an answer. And they never mentioned causality manipulation. Also please stop linking Lord of Nightmare's profile lol

It's on a case by case basis especially since Plot Manipulaters have feats that varying.

The burden of the proof is on you; has Bill Cipher's hax ever bypassed plot manipulation?

It's based on Causality Manipulation's definition. Causality Manipulation is straightforward as it "only" manipulates cause and effect. Anyone with Causality Manipulation can essentially replicate the same feats with the only difference based on the tiers.
 
Bill vs Monika ended in inconclusive tho...

And I'm 99% sure LOG has better plot manip than Monika
 
GyroNutz said:
Bill vs Monika ended in inconclusive tho...
And I'm 99% sure LOG has better plot manip than Monika
Better or not, it just high-end reality warping based Lord of Games's feat which similar to Monika.
 
Because Plot Manipulation is a far stronger version of Reality Warping combined with Space-Time Manip., Law Manip and many more, you are just downplaying the abilitie when he literally changed the entire Plot of the game, not just re-do reality.
 
Based on what's on her profile, LOG's feat is superior.

Also everything is technically reality warping, just call it plot manip lol
 
KarmodF said:
Because Plot Manipulation is a far stronger version of Reality Warping combined with Space-Time Manip., Law Manip and many more, you are just downplaying the abilitie when he literally changed the entire Plot of the game, not just re-do reality.
It is not anymore since it was subject to no limit fallacy that why the definition change.
 
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