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Bill Cipher vs the Lord of Games
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well guess take my vote for Bill Fra.
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yes but you see bill would most likely go in for the kill before he even uses itKarmodF said:
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yes but bill will react first since bill's nigh omniscience expands what seems to be way more than simply gravity falls' universe while you said LoG nigh omniscience is for the universe and other games so bil would be the more likely of the two to shoot first and we know bill just likes to get things done and over as seen with the time baby feat
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Plot Manipulation, though, is just high-end Reality Warping that it.
No, it isnt, he literally changed the entire Plot of the game to fit his liking, reality warping would be to change the entire Reality at his liking.
No, it isnt, he literally changed the entire Plot of the game to fit his liking, reality warping would be to change the entire Reality at his liking.
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it says on the page plot manip is a variation of reality warping
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LoG has both, and both are well described in bis page, not to emntion that your argument contradicts itself, you said that Bill has better Nigh-Omniscience because he could know more than everything in Gravity Falls, while LoG has the same rating for Nigh-Omniscience just with two franchises, so LoG>Bill's omniscience.
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No what I meant was bill's nigh omniscience isn't limited to the gravity falls universe it extends past that into what seems to be the multiversal area (He said he has access to multiple realites and they should be no different than gravity falls for his nigh omniscience he even says it is good to be back in gravity falls implying he was in a different universe with his nigh omniscience
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ok so this may be inconclusive
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Usually, outside verse knowledge is Breaking the Fourth Wall that it and no combat applicable. All Intelligence except, Omniscience, are inverse only. Besides basic fighting observation, the only gets information about the opponent's abilities are with abilities like Precognition and Information Manipulation.
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Well LoG has no procog it is just if bill can shoot before plot manip is used but i don't know anymore
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Plot Manipulation is not that good, it is literally a high-end Reality Warping which Bill Cipher should negate with his similar abilities. Plot Manipulation, also, is no better than abilities that Bill Cipher got like Law Manipulation and Causality Manipulation.Totallynotchewbacca said:
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Bill's precog is at the very least an entire persons life seemingly instanly but we don't know the full extent of it but this may help a little with clarification
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so that is 5-1 in bill's favor now i need sleep or not depends on my mood
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nobody here insert arguements in comments Not mention Bill has Ton of Haxes nothing like that.
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Just want to point out that Lord of Games' not only instantly changes the plot and genre of the game, it also changes past events to make that plot make sense. It's very powerful plot manipulation.
And again what does Bill have to stop LOG from simply going 'The plot is now that I will always win, no matter what'?
And again what does Bill have to stop LOG from simply going 'The plot is now that I will always win, no matter what'?
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@GyroNutz, Plot Manipulation is longer the hax it used to as it caused confusions and subject to wank and No limit Fallacy. Hence, the staffs change the definition to high-end reality warping. Causality Manipulation itself is enough to countered, as Lord of Nightmares would be unable to manipulate the plot correctly if the effect is preceding the cause, causing the script to be all over the place.GyroNutz said:
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Could you send a link as to where this was discussed?
Not that it matters since Bill doesn't have any resistance to reality warping either. Can he use his causality manipulation before LOG plot-manips? If not, then it's not a counter since he'd have already been affected.
Not that it matters since Bill doesn't have any resistance to reality warping either. Can he use his causality manipulation before LOG plot-manips? If not, then it's not a counter since he'd have already been affected.
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It given in battle, especially in tier 2 or higher since Reality Warping is no longer considered a Hax at these tiers that if two characters got it then they each negated each other Reality Warping.GyroNutz said:
Plot Manipulation Weakness - from a Question and Answer, it stated that it a case by case basis. Also, Lord of Nightmares's Plot Manipulation don't have any feats bypassing said abilities in the Question and Answer thread above so at best, again, it just high-end Reality Warping which can be bypassed by stronger hax like Causality Manipulation.
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ing reality warping doesn't counter it, that's just false.
Bill fra
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No... reality warping is a hax. And when you have two people, one with worse reality warping than the other, then they can't negate each other's reality warping. And you still haven't provided a link for your last claim.
They said it depends on the potency of the conceptual manipulation. Bill has bad conceptual manipulation so that's not an answer. And they never mentioned causality manipulation. Also please stop linking Lord of Nightmare's profile lol
Burden of the proof is on you; has Bill Cipher's hax ever bypassed plot manipulation?
They said it depends on the potency of the conceptual manipulation. Bill has bad conceptual manipulation so that's not an answer. And they never mentioned causality manipulation. Also please stop linking Lord of Nightmare's profile lol
Burden of the proof is on you; has Bill Cipher's hax ever bypassed plot manipulation?
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negated = would causing interference. In any case, it won't bypassed Bill Cipher's Low-godly regen.GyroNutz said:
link for the last claim = Local Dorito attempts to terrorize local high school girl agai Against, another Plot manipulator, Bill's Causality Manipulation and his other abilities could negate it.
They said it depends on the potency of the conceptual manipulation. Bill has bad conceptual manipulation so that's not an answer. And they never mentioned causality manipulation. Also please stop linking Lord of Nightmare's profile lol
It's on a case by case basis especially since Plot Manipulaters have feats that varying.
The burden of the proof is on you; has Bill Cipher's hax ever bypassed plot manipulation?
It's based on Causality Manipulation's definition. Causality Manipulation is straightforward as it "only" manipulates cause and effect. Anyone with Causality Manipulation can essentially replicate the same feats with the only difference based on the tiers.
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Is Bill's reality warping/hax outdo the plot manipulation because if not i don't know who wins
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Also what type conceptual does bill have
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Yes, Bill's other hax can negate Plot Manipulation.Totallynotchewbacca said:
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