Bill Cipher vs the Lord of Games

[KarmodF]

Its still a combination of them, but still consider a stronger Reality Warp.

 

[Elizhaa]

@KarmodF, the point that you made above is why pages such as Causality Manipulation (2015) and Law Manipulation (2017) were created to prevent Plot Manipulation's (2013) fallacy. Besides, I gave the Plot Manipulation the benefit of the doubt since it even it definition it just called a variation of Reality Warping not a high-end level.

 

[KarmodF]

No, Casuality and Law are different powers, Plot is a combination of Reality Warp and Law Manip. since you are able to change reality while applying your own laws to the universe, you are just downplaying the power to discount LoG's obvius advantage.

 

[Elizhaa]

Its still a combination of them, but still consider a stronger Reality Warp.

It is not, that why a case by case basis is recommended.

 

[GyroNutz]

Also worth mentioning that Bill won't be able to use any hax if LOG immediately plot manips him out of existence.

 

[KarmodF]

Plot fallacy was that a character no matter what cant do anything against any form of Plot Manip. to a point since it affects the Plot, this isnt the case since he can do both Law Manip. and Reality Warp since he can change the laws of the game and manipulate the reality as a whole to his liking, literally deleting some characters of rewriting the game.

 

[Elizhaa]

No, Casuality and Law are different powers, Plot is a combination of Reality Warp and Law Manip. since you are able to change reality while applying your own laws to the universe, you are just downplaying the power to discount LoG's obvius advantage.

@KarmodF, I am not downplaying, that is an Appeal to motive Fallacy. I am just using the wiki's definition of the abilities and the character's profile feats with it.

 

[KarmodF]

Thats not an Appeal to motive, thats like me saying that you are voting Bill because you hate Banjo.

 

[Elizhaa]

Thats not an Appeal to motive, thats like me saying that you are voting Bill because you hate Banjo.

You did say that I was downplaying though.

 

[Elizhaa]

Plot fallacy was that a character no matter what cant do anything against any form of Plot Manip. to a point since it affects the Plot, this isnt the case since he can do both Law Manip. and Reality Warp since he can change the laws of the game and manipulate the reality as a whole to his liking, literally deleting some characters of rewriting the game.

@KarmodF, do you have scans or supporting statements/evidences for these points otherwise they sound like a Package deal Fallacies for Plot Manipulation which why I mentioned the cases by cases basis for it especially since the feats varies?

 

[KarmodF]

They are mostly from the start fo the game, were he literally implies he changed the whole game so it can be about cars, I would post videos later but you can search up if you want to, you can also ask GyroNutz for the videos.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

They are mostly from the start fo the game, were he literally implies he changed the whole game so it can be about cars, I would post videos later but you can search up if you want to, you can also ask GyroNutz for the videos.

look hat seems to be literally his only advantage and bill has many hax to outdo it like imagine that LoG plot manips the entire story what is stopping bill from just using chaos manipulation to brng in a giant C.K. Louis head to eat him or a rain coats from the sky that explode with deoderant that destroys universes or whatever bill thinks up of but you get the point if that is his only advantage and bill could . just mess it up or use casuality manipulation to remove cause and effect thus messing up the whole story since it requires those two elements than bill should logically win

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Thats not an Appeal to motive, thats like me saying that you are voting Bill because you hate Banjo.

You did say that I was downplaying though.

we heard talking argue about any person Vote Bill FRA your count.

 

[GyroNutz]

You'd already voted

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

yup got Gyro need vote Bill unit close match thread in 2 day ago.

 

[QrowBarr]

Bill FRA then

 

[KarmodF]

7-1-0(1?), Grace period.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

well guess got update right now

 

[GyroNutz]

Alright this can be added.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

This and the anti Pops match can be added