Bill Cipher vs. Rosalina

[JayyoCrow]

And this is why you don't trust fandom websites, folks! Seriously though, this website ain't that great in terms of scaling characters, so that's why I barely use it. That's pretty much all I'm gonna say. I'm just gonna leave this place. Bye.

 

[Eficiente]

I mean, I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who doesn't even know how the site works, nor is interested in elaborating his beliefs.

 

[JayyoCrow]

It's also not always good to trust a website. To give you an example of why this site is pretty inaccurate is a character named Yukari Yakumo, a character who can make gaps through reality and universes and can manipulate life,death, etc, and guess what her tier is on this website? Star level....are you serious? You can even ask Tabbender, who is a huge Touhou fan on YouTube about this, and he would basically tell you the same thing and even more. (Me and him would battle over with Undertale fans how Touhou characters are MUCH stronger than anybody in Undertale.) This power she has is even shown through the games as well. This is why I don't trust wikis. Literally anybody can just make them and not know a lot about the character. There, that's why I compared this to Wikipedia.

 

[JayyoCrow]

This is why it's better to use the games. It's hard to tell if people are telling the truth or not these days on the internet.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>Yukari

Yeah, Yukari's not universe level, dude, or even close to that. And we have literally dozens of threads that explain why.

 

[JayyoCrow]

Try saying that to Tabbender. She was actually able to make gaps through reality. How is she not universal? She is basically above that level in the games.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

We've told Tabbender that. Multiple times. Making gaps through reality isn't even an AP based feat. It's purely hax. Anyone with a decent level of spacetime manipulation can make gaps through reality. Heck, Gotenks can.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"But Tabbender said that"

Tabbender is wrong as all hells though. And certainly not an unbiased Touhou source, no matter how much that G+ cult would like to think.

 

[JayyoCrow]

It was said in the monologue of, "A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years", Yukari explains that she can manipulate any to all things. That includes Gensokyo, the outside world, the worlds of living and dead, humans and youkai, and even day and night. This is ALL canon. There is no way she is not above universal level.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'd be fine with Possibly Low 2-C but tier 1 is too high

 

[JayyoCrow]

Zun has basically confirmed all of this. You can't go against the creator.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Gotta love that blatant misinterpretation of what is actually said in order to wank her.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

No, Anything above Low 2-C is wank.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Anything above 3-A is wank.

 

[JayyoCrow]

I never said tier 1. Tier 2 is a reasonable since she can manipulate multiple worlds.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Anything above 3-A is wank.

Being able to make portals to other areas and making travel to such areas easier/harder (which is the extent of Yukari's boundary manip on worlds) is nowhere near worthy of Tier 2 anything.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I never said tier 1. Tier 2 is a reasonable since she can manipulate multiple worlds.

Not at the same time. Low 2-C is fine, but no higher.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No it's not, Zach. Bad Zach.

Anyway this is derailing really hard. Yukari isn't the subject here.

 

[JayyoCrow]

This isn't about portals, this is MANIPULATION. It was stated she can manipulate these things, implying that she can control them. That is literally what manipulating means, and there is no denying that. This means she can indeed manipulate many worlds, which IS tier 2 worthy.

 

[Eficiente]

Manipulating x thing(s)=/=manipulating the full scale of x thing(s) at once.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yukari for reasons above


Wait a minute

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

My boy takes this elsewhere now. Actually, I'd prefer if you didn't, but this thread is certainly not the place to debate Yukari's stats.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I said take this somewhere else. Like its own thread.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You're still doing this? Stop debating this here.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Chuck Norris for reasons above

 

[Moritzva]

Rosalina FRA.

Should I do Nicol Bolas vs Bill

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bolas stomps

 

[Moritzva]

Aww

Can we find a match for Bolas that isn't a D&D god?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Archie sonic, the great kitsune, saint seiya gods

 

[Moritzva]

Let's do it

 

[Apatheticskell]

Rosalina FRA.

 

[Jasonsith]

If " Unknow, at least High 3-A, at most 2-A " means "Baseline low 2-C version" for Bill Cipher, then this battle still stands.


And Rosalina FRA if not stomps in this battle.