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Because of the "everything he is he is also not" thing.
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Bill Cipher Rework: Part 2 (Abilities + stuff)
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Another admin agreed with me here and you refused to continue arguing about it, so.
I'm going to encourage you not hop from one thread, to a second, to now a third pushing something that was rejected already.
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I saw you 2 do it and thought eh why not lmao
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So its 2 staff vs 1 staff currently. We need more votes to decide what to apply.
You are making the situation seem way worse than it is. The first thread I made was a mistake of mine since I realized that it would be better to simply remake the profile, this thread hop was not in my control, I wanted to keep arguing about the resistance in the other thread but I was told to discuss it elsewhere.
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You need 3 staff, afaik its 2 vs 1
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What are your opinions on eliminating resistance to pain manipulation?
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He didn't even agree with you, he said it "seemed okay" and then described how miniscule it was because of the difference between the totem and Bill.
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I am fine with it, Bill never experienced pain as in in a "physical" thing, he clearly got annoyed from getting hurt in other instances.
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Aye, this happened sooner than I expected. Kinda wished it hadn't because I just got back from the dentist and currently in pain.
Anyway, just gonna copy paste what I said last time.
Also, this could also be considered type 8 Immortality, given him being alive is reliant on that cosmic punishment.
Anyway, just gonna copy paste what I said last time.
Also, this could also be considered type 8 Immortality, given him being alive is reliant on that cosmic punishment.
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“This seems okay” = Disagreement
AP does not matter when we are talking about hax. Bill does not have HDE so it doesnt even matter.
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To be honest I thought about it and... is it even something we can add? It'd be like adding to Diavolo from Jojo some Immortality because of the Death Loop from GER.
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I don't really agree with the Empathic Resistance either, and stated as such in my post in the previous thread which wasn't disagreed with.
In terms of the rest I can't really say this second because I'm explicitly focusing on this because it's the third time I've had to argue with it.
Or it's due to the fact that the totem is a normal object animated by weirdness and was thus reverted to it's normal state, whereas Bill is naturally a weird being and has no state to revert to.
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But this is based on your personal view on it. There is no indication that it only nullifies things that got turned into weird. Even if you disagree with a full on addition you cannot ignore the other big possibility and view point of the feat.
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I am a bit weirded with Bill getting resistance because... If he's truly resistance, then why was the Shack considered the only defense from Stanley?
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What do you mean? Bill still couldnt get past its barrier
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Because it doesn't have the same interaction when working with things that are naturally weird, you cannot nullify weirdness on things that are just that way by default.
Because Shion will argue with you that it's because the forcefield and the anti-weirdness magic are two entirely different things.
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Exactly, meaning his stuff did indeed get nulled. So I don't see the resistance, are you expecting Bill to become inanimated or something? Because the Totem just became normal after interacting with that barrier.
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Death loop type powers are odd. We have accepted this sort of thing with other characters, like the killers from Dead by Daylight. At least here this death loop thing could be related to an ability of Bill's, the Axolotl incantation.
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It could have still nullified Bills magic. It didnt.
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Bills magic still seems to work while fighting it. Which means he didnt get nulled at all
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The death loop here also keeps him in a time loop, which are usually listed on profiles
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I suppose Type 4 + 8 can work then?
- Didn't get nulled.
- Literally everything he did couldn't get past the barrier and the Shack was the only think that wasn't affected from the Weirdmageddon coz of it.
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Nulling /=/ Invulnerability
Bills magic could still work and his laser eye actually got past the barrier iirc
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Yee.
Also noticed that Mathematics Manipulation was gone. I thought the justification of him being able to puke up prime numbers was alright.
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I mean giving him Dimensional Storage because he pulled a clock out of nowhere, not because of absorbing Mabel.
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My guy, the thing was only against weirdness, which Bill is a thing by default.
It's not like Bill's existence himself could get nulled or someting.
Because Math Manip is basically physics manip but with formulas.
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Good point.
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Why didnt his magic get nulled? How did he still use all his weirdness powers?
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Because the barrier just protected it from Bill's stuff?
The totem was totally incapacitated because it just removed the weirdness, but with Bill it just... can't?
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The totem probably wasn't 2-A, so I wonder if this would stop it from working
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So how does Bills magic get past it??
Hax means AP doesnt matter as long as Bill doesnt have HDE he can be affected
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Pretty sure Power Null and Mimicry are in a weird spot where they can't be used on stuff that's above what they have been shown to do (If I remember right)
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It never did?
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Look at the scan for Duplication. Bill uses his laser and it goes through the barrier.
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The bubble size is very inconsistent, I'm sure that scene was just supposed to show that Bill was destroying the Shacktron by going for its limbs rather than anything else
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