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"If your rip in this dimension continues..."
Time Baby is obviously referring to the rip created from the rift shattering.
Time Baby is obviously referring to the rip created from the rift shattering.
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Bill Cipher Downgrade
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Not really? That seems more of a coincidence in wording.ShadowWarrior1999 said:
He could have just been referring to Bill's influence on the dimension in general.
As I've said the rift shattering was only a means by which Bill entered reality, I fail to see conclusive evidence on it destroying reality and not him, when much of his statements suggest otherwise.
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Just to clarify, TB did mentioned the rip could have destroy the very fabric of existence.Dargoo Faust said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx2XvcvqzzU
Here is the video regarding TB's statement.
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For one, I don't recall the interdimensional rift ever being referring to as a rip.HammerStrikes219 said:
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At the same time, where did the rip came from? It couldn't be coming from Bill given he was with TB at the time prior to TB's defeat by his hands. In additonal to that, we don't even know if the rip was geninuely created by Bill Ciper given the evidence is actually going against him creating the rip as it could have come from destroying the container that contains the rift.Dargoo Faust said:
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The plot makes it pretty clear that the portal making the whole floating substance that Mabel gave him was the reason the rip was made. It allowed Bill and co to come in from the rip, which is also why Bill was constantly getting stronger.
He still mantaing the rip of his own power once it appeared tough.
He still mantaing the rip of his own power once it appeared tough.
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Maintaining the rip by his own power though doesn't necessarily translate to AP, but rather hax depending on the case and context. Also is there evidence that implies or at least shown this is the case (regarding the maintaining the rip part by Bill Cipher)?Ricsi-viragosi said:
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I'm not in the mood rn to debate atm, but I'm still against this downgrade
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Hax is for bypassed durabilties; AP feat doesn't not. Besides, destroying the Universe would be an Attack Potency feat from Tiering System.HammerStrikes219 said:
- Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore one or more of an opponent's statistics and effectively render them irrelevant, such as soul-based attacks ignoring conventional durability.
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Although the evidence for the downgrade does seem quite compelling though given it seems to not been leaning to keeping Bill Cipher's Low 2C rating if it does goes through. Also if it is consistent or not given there is only one debatable instance with a statement mentioning how Bill Cipher is a threat to the multiverse apparently.Sadistic Sleuth said:
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Except one thing though, in this case, the rip wasn't even caused by Bill Cipher, but another character who was tricked to give the container with the rift to Bill while Bill Cipher was in disguise and isn't exactly shown to be used in combat.Elizhaa said:
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The rip itself doesn't even destroy the universe
So even if Bill made the rip he caused a chain reaction through hax which is not ap
So even if Bill made the rip he caused a chain reaction through hax which is not ap
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It is not really a chain reaction so he likely power it up. Likewsie, all the change were reverted once Bill was erased as stated by Ford which I linked above.Paul Frank said:
If it were a chain reaction, no changes would be revert from Bill's defeated.
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It's something Bill is responsible for and causing, but it's not scaleable to his actual Attack Potency. A chain reaction would stop in some instances if the main thing behind the force was stopped before it could take full effect. I agree Bill should be Low 2-C with his rip, but only 5-B physically because he does it through the rip obviously and his defeat meant the destruction of the universe couldn't happen.Elizhaa said:
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Wait what
When did that ever happen
When did that ever happen
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Is High 3-A off the table?
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There are no High 3-A feats since Time Baby is getting downgraded.
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Bill also lied alot
Like alot
Has he ever actually made a galaxy
Like alot
Has he ever actually made a galaxy
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^Sadistic Sleuth said:
Bill is blantantly at the least 4-C physically. Maybe 3-C for what Joo said.
@Paul
"Wanting to destroy reality is not a feat. I can want to destroy the world, that doesn't make me 5-B"
False Analogy
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No not at all
The quote that they used said that what bill wanted was the destruction of our reality
He wanted it not he would do it.
The quote that they used said that what bill wanted was the destruction of our reality
He wanted it not he would do it.
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question, do we use this as applicable?:https://ew.com/article/2015/10/26/gravity-falls-weirdmageddon-jason-ritter-alex-hirsch/
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Likewise, PabloLouisTheII has been giving reasoning to the contrary.JooCipher said:
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@Paul
Last time I checked, Bill had many other reality destroying statements to back that one up.
Your "I want to destroy the world because I say so" doesn't.
Last time I checked, Bill had many other reality destroying statements to back that one up.
Your "I want to destroy the world because I say so" doesn't.
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Wasn't it rewriting reality rather than destroying reality for those statements? Any official sources will do. Also burden of proofSadistic Sleuth said:
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What in that scan suggest Bill was rewriting rather than destroying?
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Stanford said that Bill wanted to destroy reality itself
scan: https://br.pinterest.com/pin/379287599865957964/
scan: https://br.pinterest.com/pin/379287599865957964/
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You do realized it was the rip doing that right? You were the one who claimed that Billy has many reality destroying statements which need proof.Sadistic Sleuth said:
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So that is one statement, but what about the other ones?JooCipher said:
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Again wanting to do something is not the same as will do something
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Which should scale to Bill's power as again; all the changes made were reversed once Bill was destroyed as stated by Ford as linked above. Even the other portal never had such an effect once they stop.HammerStrikes219 said:
We do have systems for rating proofs like Statements. In this case, most statement were made Ford Pines or his research journals. Hence, the Statements would be Option 2 based on Ford's intelligence and expertises; To summarized, the statements would be valid proofs.
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@Elizhaa
Which link will be that exactly?
From the way I see, Bill was the one to cause the rip to spread after all.
Not to mention it won't necessarily scale to Bill Power's directly so he did destroy the container that contains the rift which in turn cause the damage to reality.
Which link will be that exactly?
From the way I see, Bill was the one to cause the rip to spread after all.
Not to mention it won't necessarily scale to Bill Power's directly so he did destroy the container that contains the rift which in turn cause the damage to reality.
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HammerStrikes219, I linked scans from the blue text in my messages with evidence. HammerStrikes219, all the changes made were reversed once Bill was destroyed as stated by Ford shown it scaled to Bill's which would indicated scaling; I don't think that you address this point at all.
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The only problem I see is whatever or not this should scale to Bill physically or not.
Also the point was rather moot when this happen: "that's something Bill is responsible for and causing, but it's not scaleable to his actual Attack Potency. A chain reaction would stop in some instances if the main thing behind the force was stopped before it could take full effect. I agree Bill should be Low 2-C with his rip, but only 5-B physically because he does it through the rip obviously and his defeat meant the destruction of the universe couldn't happen."
In addition to that, wasn't there mentions of Bill Ciphers mentioning he can overwrote the rules or something?
Again, your points is basically the same like last time I assume.
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He isn't 5-B physically. They only would have achieved tgat power if he made them the size of planets, which he didn't.
At a smaller size even the shacktron coult beat his friends.
At a smaller size even the shacktron coult beat his friends.
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