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Ok, so I will be blunt. SCP-682's page as it is now is inaccurate and/or misleading.
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First of all, I will address the elephant in the room. SCP-682 has absolutely no relation to SCP-343 outside of Competitive Eschatology. SCP-682 in Competitive Eschatology is the steed of the Horseman of Death, deliberately sealed by SCP-343. Ok, that's fine. But Competitive Eschatology is treated as an alternate universe. As such, that 682 is not the same 682 in regular Foundation articles and tales.
And before anyone asks, I could not find any tales that linked 682's immortality to The Brothers Death, either.
Speaking of SCP-682's immortality, there are some things I would like to address. To start, I have absolutely no idea why 682's type 8 is linked to a tale from Pitch Haven. To the uninitiated, Pitch Haven is a canon hub that details the stories of a race of anthropomorphic animals-man hybrids that is based upon Abrahamic Faith. However, it is very loose in its depiction of Abrahamic religion and follows its own unique story. It does not connect to SCP-343 or the greater Foundation mythology save for one connection that I will now discuss. Pitch Haven has but one connection to 682, and that is through its termination log with SCP-001 (Clef's Proposal). Within said termination, 001 was stated by 682 to not be one of the All-Mighty's servants, the angel Uriel. He was instead stated to be a pale imitation, one from the Pitch Haven canon. With this recontextualization in mind, let us look at why this is wildly inconsistent with what we know.
Within SCP-001's article, we see that Cain (SCP-073) and Able's (SCP-076-2) father sent them a message through some weird Foundation warning system. Their father? Adam el Asem, as we learn in SCP-4840. Interestingly enough, SCP-001 also makes an appearance in 4840, and was depicted as someone who was there in the city of Audapaupadopolis. In addition to this, we know that Cain was cursed with his photographic memory by SCP-001, which makes the above depiction consistent.
Now given all of this, there is no way SCP-001 originated from Pitch Haven. It is a wild inconsistency given everything else that was shown. As such, there is no way SCP-682 is connected to Pitch Haven, let alone SCP-343. Hence, SCP-682 should lose its type 8 immortality.
Now I will discuss SCP-682's type 9 immortality and supposed Leviathan true form. To my understanding, the Leviathan key was born from the idea that SCP-682, being a child of the Scarlet King, would have had to have been comparable to its brethren that fought in the War for Creation. This is, however, false, once you've seen what the justification for it is. Here is what is directly stated on 682's page:
"SCP-682 is just a 3-D projection of its true self, which exists on a higher-dimensional plane. Stated by Dr. Gears to simply a shell formed by 682's true form, and that damaging said shell in any way it is like shaving the hair off a human: annoying, but not deadly, Stated by Dr. Crow to be simply a projection of the true 682 into our reality, with attacking it being the equivalent of poking your finger into a balloon: you're inside it, but still outside of it"
The two links take you to a WoG and a termination log respectively. The first one is fine. There's nothing off about it besides there being absolutely no correlation to higher dimensions. The second link is where it falls apart. First of all, the statement was not made by Crow, but by a censored researcher. Second, it mentions the word "extra-dimensional" when referring to 682's true form. Contextually, this could either mean higher-dimensional, or other-dimensional.
However, as you will see, neither statement actually says anything about a Leviathan form. And this extends to any article or tale with 682 in it. Sure, we can assume that 682 is indeed a child of the Scarlet King much like SCP-999. But it is so much more consistent to assume that SCP-682 is merely an effigy child like SCP-999, rather than a nerfed projection of its true self as a Leviathan. As such, I propose a removal of SCP-682's Leviathan key and replacing it with the next bit.
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Let us now address the newly added SCP-6820. I'm not going to beat about the bush; SCP-6820 was a machine designed to kill SCP-682 which the Foundation found out is actually an alien idea, not unlike SCP-3125. With this stunning revelation, we can now safely say that 682 truly does have a higher-dimensional true form. SCP-682 somehow fought and destroyed SCP-3125, which makes its true form Low 1-C.
However, with this in mind, we would also have to address if true form 682 would scale to its brethren, and by extension, the rest of the Non-Narrative God tiers. I will leave this part to the floor.
That is all for now.
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First of all, I will address the elephant in the room. SCP-682 has absolutely no relation to SCP-343 outside of Competitive Eschatology. SCP-682 in Competitive Eschatology is the steed of the Horseman of Death, deliberately sealed by SCP-343. Ok, that's fine. But Competitive Eschatology is treated as an alternate universe. As such, that 682 is not the same 682 in regular Foundation articles and tales.
And before anyone asks, I could not find any tales that linked 682's immortality to The Brothers Death, either.
Speaking of SCP-682's immortality, there are some things I would like to address. To start, I have absolutely no idea why 682's type 8 is linked to a tale from Pitch Haven. To the uninitiated, Pitch Haven is a canon hub that details the stories of a race of anthropomorphic animals-man hybrids that is based upon Abrahamic Faith. However, it is very loose in its depiction of Abrahamic religion and follows its own unique story. It does not connect to SCP-343 or the greater Foundation mythology save for one connection that I will now discuss. Pitch Haven has but one connection to 682, and that is through its termination log with SCP-001 (Clef's Proposal). Within said termination, 001 was stated by 682 to not be one of the All-Mighty's servants, the angel Uriel. He was instead stated to be a pale imitation, one from the Pitch Haven canon. With this recontextualization in mind, let us look at why this is wildly inconsistent with what we know.
Within SCP-001's article, we see that Cain (SCP-073) and Able's (SCP-076-2) father sent them a message through some weird Foundation warning system. Their father? Adam el Asem, as we learn in SCP-4840. Interestingly enough, SCP-001 also makes an appearance in 4840, and was depicted as someone who was there in the city of Audapaupadopolis. In addition to this, we know that Cain was cursed with his photographic memory by SCP-001, which makes the above depiction consistent.
Now given all of this, there is no way SCP-001 originated from Pitch Haven. It is a wild inconsistency given everything else that was shown. As such, there is no way SCP-682 is connected to Pitch Haven, let alone SCP-343. Hence, SCP-682 should lose its type 8 immortality.
Now I will discuss SCP-682's type 9 immortality and supposed Leviathan true form. To my understanding, the Leviathan key was born from the idea that SCP-682, being a child of the Scarlet King, would have had to have been comparable to its brethren that fought in the War for Creation. This is, however, false, once you've seen what the justification for it is. Here is what is directly stated on 682's page:
"SCP-682 is just a 3-D projection of its true self, which exists on a higher-dimensional plane. Stated by Dr. Gears to simply a shell formed by 682's true form, and that damaging said shell in any way it is like shaving the hair off a human: annoying, but not deadly, Stated by Dr. Crow to be simply a projection of the true 682 into our reality, with attacking it being the equivalent of poking your finger into a balloon: you're inside it, but still outside of it"
The two links take you to a WoG and a termination log respectively. The first one is fine. There's nothing off about it besides there being absolutely no correlation to higher dimensions. The second link is where it falls apart. First of all, the statement was not made by Crow, but by a censored researcher. Second, it mentions the word "extra-dimensional" when referring to 682's true form. Contextually, this could either mean higher-dimensional, or other-dimensional.
However, as you will see, neither statement actually says anything about a Leviathan form. And this extends to any article or tale with 682 in it. Sure, we can assume that 682 is indeed a child of the Scarlet King much like SCP-999. But it is so much more consistent to assume that SCP-682 is merely an effigy child like SCP-999, rather than a nerfed projection of its true self as a Leviathan. As such, I propose a removal of SCP-682's Leviathan key and replacing it with the next bit.
Upgrades
Let us now address the newly added SCP-6820. I'm not going to beat about the bush; SCP-6820 was a machine designed to kill SCP-682 which the Foundation found out is actually an alien idea, not unlike SCP-3125. With this stunning revelation, we can now safely say that 682 truly does have a higher-dimensional true form. SCP-682 somehow fought and destroyed SCP-3125, which makes its true form Low 1-C.
However, with this in mind, we would also have to address if true form 682 would scale to its brethren, and by extension, the rest of the Non-Narrative God tiers. I will leave this part to the floor.
That is all for now.
