Ben Tennyson vs Ikki Kurogane: Part 2 Electric Boogaloo

[Greenshifter]

Limited type 9 immo should be fine though

I don’t think that exists.

 

[Gohanblanco217]

I don’t think that exists.

It does exist, here's an example

Love Train has limited type 6 immo

 

[Greenshifter]

That’s because type 6 gives wiggle room. I doubt type 9 gives that same wiggle room. Either you’re immortal regardless of the plane you’re killed on or you’re not.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I don't think low godly will do much tbh. In other words "ikki stands there" still works as an argument.

 

[Greenshifter]

@Earl look at #114

 

[Gohanblanco217]

Toepick is scarier then anything shown in ikki verse

 

[Firephoenixearl]

114 is a bit weird. Cus you're implying the only times where he thinks he was going to die are the only things he thinks can kill him.

Toepick is scarier then anything shown in ikki verse

That's just a bad argument.

 

[Greenshifter]

the only times where he thinks he was going to die are the only things he thinks can kill him.

That's about right. Dude's cocky as hell in other situations. Even taunting Khyber who has a sword while he's tied up and can't access the Omnitrix.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's about right. Dude's cocky as hell in other situations.

What he does vs what he thinks are different/

 

[Greenshifter]

The arrogant stuff is all from season 3 of AF. The modesty stuff is season 1 and 2. In Ultimate alien he becomes more modest again. Then OV happens... which goes back to AF season 3 or worse basically.

There's also him only aware of the time loop since like OV season 7 (of the 8 seasons) + Even if he thinks he would die, a future where he dies before he becomes Ben 10000 is unrealistic because he wouldn't have the Omnitrix on him if that were to happen (if causality immediately does it's thing). Nor would Ikki stand face to face with him since both would be too busy worshipping Maltruant, assuming both are still alive in the new timeline.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Nor would Ikki stand face to face with him since both would be too busy worshipping Maltruant, assuming both are still alive in the new timeline.

Again, he could see causality destroying the watch. He could see getting decapitated before he can transform. He could see ikki reverting him back to base form. Again he will see what he believes true death to be like.

 

[Greenshifter]

If he doesn’t challenge Ikki then he won’t be convinced that he dies right?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No, he just won't die.

 

[Greenshifter]

Ah then that ain’t gonna work. Because the causality destroying the watch thing would happen in the present, not the future. Basically Ben sees himself dying in whatever way -> deduces that the Omnitrix will disappear any second now -> the Omnitrix doesn’t disappear -> Ben deduces that whatever Ikki showed him is not his real future -> challenges Ikki -> dies -> Omnitrix low-godly or failsafe into Alien X saves him -> battle starts.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It's not gonna happen unless Ben challenges though. Nothing happens unless Ben challenges, he only sees the results.

 

[Greenshifter]

So Ben only sees what would happen if he were to challenge Ikki and thus it’s not his true future yet? (That’s basically my previous question rephrased)

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah, to which i answered "nothing happens unless he takes action". So he just sees what will happen, but it doesn't start to happen.

 

[Greenshifter]

K. In that case bloodlusted Ikki stomps. Non-bloodlusted probably low diffs.

That means I only really wanna figure out whether Tennyson can counter Trackless Step, just for fun.