Ben 10 Classic Series Revision Thread Part 1

[Lollipop_The_King]

Ben 10/GRex is canon.

Also, if it wasn't canon, where did Shocksquatch come from?

 

[DemonicDude]

Ben 10 Generator Rex canon

 

[Daddybrawl]

I don’t think anyone questioned the Canonicity of it.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Ben 10 Generator Rex canon

Copy cat.

 

[DemonicDude]

Copy cat.

Damm people are 10x fast than me

 

[DemonicDude]

Ben 10/GRex is canon.

Also, if it wasn't canon, where did Shocksquatch come from?

I donno ..maybe maybe Dragoo knows

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I donno ..maybe maybe Dragoo knows

I wasn’t commenting that it wasn’t canon. I was commenting that "well Mob could scale to Tatsumaki" being incorrect because Mob doesn’t scale to Tatsu and hasn’t for ages.

 

[Greenshifter]

No. I’m only against scaling ultimate Humungousaur to Atomix.

Aight, @Firestorm808 are you fine with applying the scaling? We can discuss Dagon scaling to it now or later. Whichever you prefer.

 

[Greenshifter]

Also I have quite some arguments to scale Ben and Rex to each other. However that presumes they are close in tier, which might get yeeted by the Reboot if that turns out to be canon (and I still need a Gen Rex calc for tier 6).

 

[Firestorm808]

I'll get started on the revised scaling chains of Humungousaur before we make the edit.

 

[DemonicDude]

I'll get started on the revised scaling chains of Humungousaur before we make the edit.

You mean Reboot Humungousar ?

 

[Firestorm808]

We'll finish up OS and then do Reboot.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Finally Dargoo and I can downgrade all the aliens to 8-C

 

[DemonicDude]

My friend Cosmic knight/The Epic Cookie has performed this calculation

Ben 10 Tachyon Particles speed MFTL+

Scaling: Humungousaur dodged blasts from Malware's Tachyon Cannon and 11 year old Feedback reacted to and absorbed a blast from Malware's Tachyon Cannon

Techyon speed confirmed

 

[Greenshifter]

Only Feedback directly scales (Humungousaur dodged Rook's Proto-Tool) and that's if we ignore logic (which we already do due to "OMG FTL Time Beast") and assume all tachyons move equally as fast in Ben 10, which isn't necessarily the case at all. (they're both used by alien tech so there might be something there if they use the same standards or whatever)

 

[Firestorm808]

We'll need some clarification before we can scale the two tachyon references.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Can Reboot Vilgax and Gax get resistance to Magma since Vilgax survived getting dunked in a volcano with only minor burn scars.

 

[DemonicDude]

Can I change Vilgax ruby ray of Ulo to Ruby ray of Rouleau it makes sense that Shield of Ziegel would be Shield of Seagle named after Steven T. Seagle

 

[Antvasima]

Firestorm808:

Do you need any help here?

 

[Firestorm808]

We should be good.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unsubscribe again then. Send me a notification if you need any help.

 

[Firestorm808]

@DemonicDude The rename should be fine.

Going down the list, does anyone have objections to Atomix being At least High 5-A physically, up to 4-C with Energy Manipulation.

 

[DemonicDude]

I have no issue with 4-C Atomix also does this effects Way Big or Ultimate Way Big

 

[Firestorm808]

I can't think of any scaling between the two that would suggest a change.

 

[DemonicDude]

So Ultimate way big would still be below Atomix then I guess.

 

[Firestorm808]

Ah, yes. Diagon. We could have the following:

Way Big < Atomix < Ult Way Big < Diagon = Ascalon.

 

[DemonicDude]

Seems fair

 

[DemonicDude]

If Diamondhead is High 7-A then Swampfire and Chromastone should be too as they were able to physically harm Vilgax with a lot more force 1 and 2

 

[Greenshifter]

Can I change Vilgax ruby ray of Ulo to Ruby ray of Rouleau it makes sense that Shield of Ziegel would be Shield of Seagle named after Steven T. Seagle

... no (although that’d be funny), you don’t need to reference every single author statement ever...

Edit: wait they’re actually named that? Lmfao

 

[Greenshifter]

@DemonicDude The rename should be fine.

Going down the list, does anyone have objections to Atomix being At least High 5-A physically, up to 4-C with Energy Manipulation.

Eh he mainly uses energy attacks tho even in his punches, seems kinda pointless. Also his physical AP should probably be comparable to his dura which would be 4-C from not dying to Malgax right?

Also there’s no proof that his physicals scale to Way Big. Same reason he shouldn’t have Class Z.

 

[DemonicDude]

Are Ultimate Swampfire and Ultimate Echo Echo gonna be upgraded to High 5-A ?
Or they are gonna remain at 7-A
If Diamondhead get's upgraded to High 7-A then I suggest Ultimate Sampfire should be upgraded to High 7-A
(Because he can easily match Diamondhead in combat without using his Fire/Cluster bombs)
and Ultimate Echo Echo High 7-A as well (Can easily kill Diamondhead without using his Sonic Doom)

 

[Greenshifter]

The internal scaling between the aliens is gonna remain mostly the same. Only high-tier ultimates could potentially get upgraded without the rest of the verse following.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Greenshifter

So you suggest that Atomix be 4-C in general?

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Ah, yes. Diagon. We could have the following:

Way Big < Atomix < Ult Way Big < Diagon = Ascalon.

Wait, what about Eatle? Would he be 4-C as well?

 

[DemonicDude]

Atomix Should be simply 4-C he uses Nuclear attacks in striking punches as well.

 

[Firestorm808]

@Starbrand_Fan

I think this would be the scaling:

Eatle = Lucubra Vilgax < Way Big < Atomix ≤ Malgax ≤ Ult Way Big ≤ Dagon < Dagonax < Ascalon

We can't say that Lucubra Vilgax is on the same level as Dagon, and Ascalon is the only weapon that took Diagon and Dagonax head-on.

 

[DemonicDude]

We can't say Dagon is on same level as Ultimate Way Big he stomped him and got amped by Dozens of Souls.

 

[Greenshifter]

@Greenshifter

So you suggest that Atomix be 4-C in general?

Yeah, I don’t think we need High 5-A physically.

 

[Greenshifter]

We can't say Dagon is on same level as Ultimate Way Big he stomped him and got amped by Dozens of Souls.

No. Ult Way Big cut off his tentacle and he returned the souls prior.

 

[DemonicDude]

Eatle = Lucubra Vilgax = Ascolon all should be in same tier