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Beast vs Zeref
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Oh my Kefla! What happened to you? The years have not been kind....
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Should I suggest a change or just close this?
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Switch Kefka with Beast
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So.
Zeref can kill Beast with Death
Beast can kill Zeref with Black Holes
I'll just let the debate start from here
Zeref can kill Beast with Death
Beast can kill Zeref with Black Holes
I'll just let the debate start from here
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Does death magic work on someone with High regen?
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Yes, it does.
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@Garg, can't Zeref just reverse time on the black hole's creation?
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How do we know it works on someone who's regenerated from atoms and can more likely than not regenerate from a macro-quantum level?
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We had a thread for it. In general Death hax, bypasses regen until we start getting to Godly Regens.
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Can I see the thread?
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Considering it doesn't do anything destructive than make you dead, yes.PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1962778PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
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To be fair anything lower than Molecules not only *can't* possibly be alive in any manner whatsoever, it also doesn't even have any of the physical properties it used to have while it was a living being.
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Yeah but Zeref's punch won't reduce him to molecules, it will just instantly kill him.
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My point is kind of that you can't be more dead (physically speaking) than the point where you're reduced to your constituent atoms, since anything lower than molecules doesn't even keep its properties.
Much less any manner of life. I'm never too sure when it comes to death manip vs that small bothersome gap of atom-quantum level regen that is above molecular level but below godly, so I won't debate this.
Much less any manner of life. I'm never too sure when it comes to death manip vs that small bothersome gap of atom-quantum level regen that is above molecular level but below godly, so I won't debate this.
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Unless he can somehow regenerate from being atomized now, no.DragonEmperor23 said:
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Is atomized being reduced to atoms or your atoms being destroyed?
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Atoms being destroyed
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How likely is Beast to use a black hole, how big is it, and how does the ability work(by this I mean is it a projectile or if he spawns it on Zeref)?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guFygWE5SBY
This but on a vastly higher scale.
Typically he goes Ray Sphere Bkast then Black Hole.
First won't kill Zeref, second will.
Although....Thinking it over
How well does Zeref deal in Radiation?
This but on a vastly higher scale.
Typically he goes Ray Sphere Bkast then Black Hole.
First won't kill Zeref, second will.
Although....Thinking it over
How well does Zeref deal in Radiation?
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He could probably reverse any negative effects, if not resist it out right like with anti magic barrier particles. Does regen help with radiation?
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Unless he can somehow regenerate from being atomized now, no.
^This for one
Two Being deconstructed at a Macro Quantic level has nothing to do with Magic.
Three he doesn't have Psuedo Flight so he gets pulled in instantly.
Four, sure Radiation won't kill Zeref, but he's going to be sick to his stomach and coughing up blood every second.
^This for one
Two Being deconstructed at a Macro Quantic level has nothing to do with Magic.
Three he doesn't have Psuedo Flight so he gets pulled in instantly.
Four, sure Radiation won't kill Zeref, but he's going to be sick to his stomach and coughing up blood every second.
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Is the first attack the one that is radiation? If it effects Zeref that badly, he'll just time stop and kill him while he has all the time he wants.
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Not at all in character
Heck even Base Zeref has literally never used Time Stop for Combat purposes even when he's losing and he has no other option.
This is the one that chose to get in a fistfight with Natsu.
Heck even Base Zeref has literally never used Time Stop for Combat purposes even when he's losing and he has no other option.
This is the one that chose to get in a fistfight with Natsu.
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Why would Base Zeref be more likely to use Time Stop than FH Zeref? I know it's not in character but Zeref also never started spitting up blood in the middle of a fight. It's not like he won't realize that continuing to fight someone who can leave him this badly effected after a single attack in close combat is a bad idea. He might use death magic from a range instead of time stop but either way he wouldn't continue to rush in.
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IDK ask Zeref, base Zeref rarely used time Stop and never used it for combat purposes, White Zeref hasn't time stopped even once.
Saying that he will Time Stop that soon into the fight is jumping it.
He doesn't need to Rush in for the Beast to kill him, he has planetary range.
Saying that he will Time Stop that soon into the fight is jumping it.
He doesn't need to Rush in for the Beast to kill him, he has planetary range.
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If the Beast's range is that great and he can hit Zeref from where he is and Zeref starts coughing up blood, then it wouldn't be out of character for Zeref to use his magic in a way he's never done before. Zeref did rush into a fist fight against Natsu, but he knows that Natsu doesn't have any hax and that he only knows how to fist fight. FH Zeref has only had one showing as to how he fights and this was against someone that he knew the capabilities of. Against an unknown here, he would- ... actually now that I think about it. Why wouldn't Zeref just go straight for a timeline reset?
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Natsu is the same person who managed to defeat him in his previous form, him rushing in to have a CQC fight with Zeref is legit not an excuse.
Timeline reset?
Timeline reset?
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Zeref resets the timeline and goes back to the past, in context he did it so he could train strong enough to kill Acnologia but here he would do it to the Beast and either kill him when he's younger or find someone who can help him kill the Beast.
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He has no idea who, what, or how to Kill the Beast Tho
He sees a monster, that doesn't give him any intel on what Beasts human form looks like, who he is, where he is from etc.
BTW him growing stronger is outdone by the fact that Beast can grow stronger the longer he fights through Passive Radiation absorbtion
He sees a monster, that doesn't give him any intel on what Beasts human form looks like, who he is, where he is from etc.
BTW him growing stronger is outdone by the fact that Beast can grow stronger the longer he fights through Passive Radiation absorbtion
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Yes but this would be him going back in time to when the Beast is weaker. He could do this multiple times until he is strong enough to kill the Beast since his magic power is infinite.
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Zeref can't grow from Baseline High 6A to 5C through training without feats, he can't kill Beast without using Death Manipulation either so growing stronger in AP isn't even going to do much.
Also, Beast awakening did his High 6A feat, so Beast never had a point where he was weaker
Also, Beast awakening did his High 6A feat, so Beast never had a point where he was weaker
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Would the Beast not let Zeref get close enough to punch him?
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Obviously not but I thought Zeref had projectiles with Death?
