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Battle of God Killers: Gorr vs Kratos (GRACE)
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ShionAH
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What are you even saying right now? Gorr send you back in time which is time manipulation and kratos resists it?? You do know BFR can be used in different ways right?
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We don't extend every possible facet of a power to someone's resistances unless heavily implied, especially for very broad powers.
ShionAH
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I just proved that Kratos literally resists the only wincon Gorr has.
Kratos: Resistance to Space-Time Manipulation
Gorr: BFR (Can use shards of the Pool of Forevers to send his opponent thousands of years through time)
Gorr literally uses time manipulation to send his opponents back in time BFRing them. Kratos resists it. Think about it like this Gorr BFRs kratos by sending him back in time but he is not able to because Kratos resists time manipulation. Its pretty simple
ShionAH
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Actually its literally ON his profile
Time Travel, BFR (Can use shards of the Pool of Forevers to send his opponent thousands of years through time)
Time Travel, BFR (Can use shards of the Pool of Forevers to send his opponent thousands of years through time)
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The literal one time in God of War where a character could send people to the past, Kratos didn't resist it for shit. What even is this argument? He resists direct manipulation on his person not time travel BFR use.
No, you haven't but honestly, go off. The match's in grace anyway and if you can convince the voters to change it then be my guest. I'm tired of this back and forth that goes nowhere.
ShionAH
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He resists time manipulation which is literally above time travel
Time Manipulation (sometimes called Chronokinesis) is the ability to control time itself. Examples include time travel, precognition, slowing down time, speeding up time, stopping time, etc. As time and space are connected, many users can also manipulate space.
The match being grace doesnt mean anything when one side resists all of the other sides hax. Kratos resists time manipulation like you said which has time travel in it which Gorr uses to BFR his opponent anyways thats all.
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Can you actually address the fact that he's been BFR'ed temporally with no resistance rather than spam quotes from power pages.
Sure buddy, sure.
ShionAH
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I never played Gow and thats inconsisty I guess in that case his resistance should be removed or something. Which game did Kratos get BFRed by time manipulation? Maybe it was layered?
So by your logic kratos who RESISTS time manipulation will get BFRed by Gorr which uses TIME? I am done man.
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God of War 2. And again, he resists what's been showcased about his powers i.e. direct time acceleration, deceleration, stop and age manipulation.
See above. And yeah.
ShionAH
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He resists the time manipulation in ragnarok so maybe the thing he got in GoW2 was layered for his resistance to not be able to hande
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....I actually ******* can't with you.
He directly showcases resistance to those facets of time manipulation. Yet because an unrelated facet of it works on him, those resistances are invalid?
I can't forbid you from making CRTs but I can sure as hell guarantee you'd be clowned on then.
ShionAH
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Very mature
So you are agreeing he has resistance to time manipulation and that this is a stomp? Case closed then! I am out of here
Very mature
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Congrats, you've convinced yourself. Good luck with the rest.
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My god this match.
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Looking at where Kratos gets his time manipulation resistances from, seems to come from the Amulet of Uruboros, which doesn't move things through time, but moves time through things. AKA, what happened to Scott Lang in Endgame, when the time machine made him age up and down as they worked through the different things.
And looking at his space time resistance, it looks like he geets it from having durability high enough to withstand spacial tears from 2 beings able to open up holes in reality with their teeth/claws (Nidhogg and Garm), and from being able to still move slowly whil Heimdal did his slow down affect, albeit far slower.
So it seems that Kratos has shown resistance to time manipulation, such as beeing slowed down or aged/deaged by things, but looking at his profile he's not shown any resistance towards the 'temporal dump' where he gets plucked up from one moment in time and placed somewhere else, ergo Gorr's BFR should still work, unless him resisting time manipulation that's only slowing down time or having time 'affect the current moment different' also translates into him resisting temporal BFR.
And looking at his space time resistance, it looks like he geets it from having durability high enough to withstand spacial tears from 2 beings able to open up holes in reality with their teeth/claws (Nidhogg and Garm), and from being able to still move slowly whil Heimdal did his slow down affect, albeit far slower.
So it seems that Kratos has shown resistance to time manipulation, such as beeing slowed down or aged/deaged by things, but looking at his profile he's not shown any resistance towards the 'temporal dump' where he gets plucked up from one moment in time and placed somewhere else, ergo Gorr's BFR should still work, unless him resisting time manipulation that's only slowing down time or having time 'affect the current moment different' also translates into him resisting temporal BFR.
ShionAH
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Its listed as Time manipulation which is higher than time travel (Gorr uses this) Someone who cannot be controlled by literal time manipulation should be directly superior to less strong version off time manip.
Theres nothing about durability there btw. Kratos just resists literal time and space warps.
ShionAH
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Time Manipulation
Time Manipulation (sometimes called Chronokinesis) is the ability to control time itself. Examples include time travel, Precognition, slowing down time, speeding up time, etc. As time and space are connected, many users can also manipulate space. Another use of time manipulation is Time Stop...
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I am out man. I still think its a stomp but whatever. Like you guys literally said Kratos can blitz in seconds, slow down time, dodge all the attacks from gorr, understand what his shard does (BFR) and probably resists it. If this is not unfair Idk what is.
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My bad on that, running on fumes ATM.
Georredannea15
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Not only that. He also resisted the time manipulation in the light of alfheim, a short time in the light takes days in real time.
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That he didn't resist though, since he was still displaced relative to the Light. Granted, the Light is a higher-dimensional power that can affect the whole of the Nine Realms so that's likely just a case of higher potency.
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i agree shionAH argument
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Kratos stomp
Georredannea15
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But doesn't light have time manipulation? Yes it have. (Light has more haxs But what matters now is time manipulation.)
Kratos resisted the haxes in the light, the power, and the light itself, didn't he? Yes, he resisted.
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He objectively didn't resist the time dilation lol. He was pulled out of sync entirely with the physical world.
Kratos resisted most of The Light's effects but not that.
Georredannea15
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Doesn't kratos resist space-time manipulation? Or are only users of that ability not affected by the space-time manipulation that Kratos received from heimdall? If that's the case, you might be right, but I don't think so.
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He does but you seem to forget that abilities can have higher levels of potency to them. The Light transcends the Nine Realms and its contents, predates reality and keeps entire planes of existence separated, it's very much above the standard in space-time manipulation.
Georredannea15
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Does this mean that kratos can resisted the Gorr's space time manip?
If that's the case, Kratos stopms
(btw take me the cruel striker)
KingNanaya
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I read through this really quick, but I need help understanding how Gorr does his time manipulation.
ShionAH
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He uses his BFR in form of time. He send his opponents back in time or whatever
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I guess
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