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Ban vs Doflapmingo

RavenSupreme said:
what makes you think so?
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I haven't read NNT for a while. Ban is immortal right? He has Mountain Level durability, so isn't it an NLF to say his immortality can survive a Small Island Level attack?

Also, Doflamingo could just one-shot Ban with Conqueror's Haki.
 
he is a regenerator. immortality via Regenerationn does not get scaled with how much DC you tanked but from how much level of destruction your body has proven to regenerate from

for example: when you pulverize the head of a regenerator with a city block level hit or you pulverize the head of a regenerator with a country level blow - > the outcome is the same: the head is pulverized

and if the regenerator has proved to regenerate from said level of body destruction he will do so in both scenarios.

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as for ban: he has regenerated in a couple of seconds from his entire upper torso, all vital organs and his head being blown apart.

while doflamingos AP may be stronger in base, it does not mean he can put ban down.

on top:

bans ability "hunterfest" has drained the likes of galan who is on the same tier as doflamingo to less than half of its power and added it to its own - including strenght and speed

not to mention he has proved to steal the hearts and heads from people once he gets serious

there is no way doflamingo can harm him. not even his flight will help, as snatch even works on flying characters

edit: i hope your "conquerers haki" argument was a joke..? because it was never used to work on anyone with a semi-decent powerlevel even in-verse
 
Conquerers Haki works on people weaker than you. Ban is Mountain Level, Doflamingo is Small Island Level. Conquerers Haki should work.
 
this is not correct. conquerers haki was never depicted to outright work against everyone who is weaker than the user himself. why has it not worked against law? why not against luffy pre-g4? why not in the war?

the most we saw conquerers haki accomplish is KOing foddermarines (war arc), fodderfishmen(FI arc) and fodder pirates (shanks/WB)

i am afraid there is little to argue left. ban has the hax, speed, immortality, Regenerationn, and (post HF) stat advantage
 
.... I get tired reading people's suggestions about CoC haki.

Conqueror's haki is where the user projects his will outwards, capable of stunning anyone who is caught in the blast. It has the potential to kill people who are far weaker than the user. That's not all of its capabilities. People who are adept with the power can also utilize it in combat effectively in order to increase the potency of their physical blows. When Doflamingo and Luffy's CoC clashed, the force from it blasted Law from the immediate area and shook the Flower hill for the duration. Doflamingo, Luffy and Chinjao have been shown using CoC in their strikes. Doflamingo has done this moreso than the other two.

Also, why couldn't Doflamingo simply incapacitate Ban with his threads, such as wrap him up in a Break White or EverWhite? Death isn't the only way to end a fight.

Also, didn't Ban have a limit to how much power he could steal? He was only capable of taking enough power to make himself superior to Base Galan.

If that's the case, I'd say Doflamingo wins with mid difficulty due to superior range and AP.
 
what was the highest level of fighter conq. haki has worked on to incapacitate? this is the level it gets scaled to. if it hasnt worked to make mountain / small island level characters its a nonfactor in this fight

doflamingos strings work without him controling him? if so, do you have a scan ready to prove it? because it aint incapacitating when you have to actively put effort into restraining your foe

ban did not only stole from galan. he stole from galan and merascylla and an entire town before he reached his limit. meaning 2 large mountain and numerous fodders at once

in this scenario he only has to deal with 1 small island level character. meaning what doflamingo is losing, he is gaining.

stealing his heart immediately after HF to finish things quickly is a valid option as well
 
Unfamiliar with both,but looking at profiles,Ban seems to have an advantage of being immortal via Pretty deadpooley regen,Small Island isn't enough to qualify for an NLF,All it comes down to if DF can incapacitate Ban or not,awaiting further arguments.
 
@Raven

So are we to suggest that Ban can not be KO'd? (btw it is speed equalized)

Base Galan is 7-A (or At least 7-A iirc since he only had a mountain feat).

Also, Doflamingo may need his ability to be active, but with the case of Black Knight and his awakened mode, he would not be expending much stamina at all. An ability like Parasito was active so long as Doflamingo was conscious and did not require his attention.

http://www.***********.net/one-piece/745/14 -- he used Parasito when he initiated using Bird cage. The ability was active until the victims were incapacitiated and Doflamingo fell at the end of the arc.

http://www.***********.net/one-piece/752/4 -- Doflamingo's black knight/clone acting on its own while being at the base of the Flower hill (While Doflamingo is sitting idle at the top).

The answer is that he does have to put effort, but he has shown that he can utilize his threads from a few kilometers away with practically no effort.

Ban's power only gave him enough power to turn the tables on Base Galan. If he did the same to Doflamingo, he would still be inferior physically given Doflamingo's current stats being "At least Small Island" while Ban is "Likely 7-A" due to hunterfest giving him an edge over Galan in base. It would take much to even close the gap between him and Doflamingo, but even then, I don't see it happening due to Doflamingo being "Likely higher than High 7-A" and that the difference between 7-A and High 7-A is between a few hundred megatons vs a few gigatons.

If Doflamingo realizes that his power is being leeched off of him, he would logically strike at Ban and fall back for a distance and fight from a range using his Black Knight and Awakened mode + any long ranged thread strikes at his disposal such as Bullet thread and Over heat until he finds an opening to bind Ban with his threads.

I honestly find this fight to be a mismatch due to Ban being a City~Mountain AP (City normally, Mountain while using hunter fest) and that Doflamingo can fight from a distance (preferably in the air), rendering Ban's physical abilities almost useless.
 
When Ban used hunters fest he took half the power of Galan the same would happen to Doflamingo, he also drains speed and stamina.
 
thats nothing i suggest. this is what was shown in the manga. ban was never KOd. he gets tired once PH or HF wear off, but he was never seen KO, despite having to deal with a level of damage superior to anything shown in OP so far.

unless you can prove doflamingo manages to damage ban to a level more than having his head, upper body and all organs blown away the argument of doflamingo KOing ban is out of the question. a simple "lol he has more AP he gets scaled to" doesnt work in that regard.

as well doflamingo will not realize his power is being zapped, seeing as it happens instantly via HF.

i also dont know what the clones are supposed to do, since i dont remember any notable feats from them except taking base luffys punch or so. might have forgotten something tho

however i will bring in some calculation up for revision, which puts the TC and ban at high 7a in base, meaning between 1 and 4.3gt within the next days.

but still - can i see the calculation which puts doflamingo at small island level?
 
There is not a calculation exclusively for Doflamingo or Luffy especially since the only way to get a "result" would be to make a lot of assumptions on Doflamingo's thread strength and haki.

Luffy tanked Fujitora's Ferocious Tiger at point blank while in base. The calculation for the attack places it at Small Island for both low and high ends (high end being barely Island level): http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=26604

Since Luffy took the attack without any injuries after being blasted off by it (despite his body mitigating blunt force to a degree), he has been upgraded to Small Island while in base as a result. Doflamingo could easily tank and beat base Luffy back (before and after Gamma Knife), which resulted him scaling to be "possibly higher than High 7-A".

The only other way for Doflamingo to have received his tier is powerscaling to the WB commanders like Jozu (High 7-A) for being able to hold him down with his threads with little resistance, and that he could defend against Aokiji's ice with little difficulty.

Edit: here is the scan showing how close Luffy was to Fujitora just prior to tanking Ferocious Tiger: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/799/4
 
and why do we use the high end for scaling?

thats an actual question i have in regards for character tiering.

i will ask my fellow calculation group member as for the reasoning of said upgrade
 
By the way, if Ban can get exhausted during the fight, then I stand by Doflamingo being able to KO him via CoC or physically.

Doflamingo has a level of pre-cognition due to his basic level of Observation haki. he would be able to react to Ban's power jumping upwards. Doflamingo can fly and exhaust Ban to a point in which he can knock him out (since killing blows would be ineffective in every regard).
 
RavenSupreme said:
and why do we use the high end for scaling?
thats an actual question i have in regards for character tiering.

i will ask my fellow calculation group member as for the reasoning of said upgrade
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I am not suggesting that the high end it being used. If it was, Luffy and Doflamingo would be 6-C and not High 7-A.
 
Yes, but Base Galan <<<< Galan going all out via Critical over. Galan during base had a calc that gave him mountain DC iirc (i have to find it) and a calc that give him High 7-A in critical Over from when he struck at Escanor.

But I'm confused. It may be a typo (or i'm looking at the wrong spot), but I see "city~city+" on that feat you linked me.
 
yeha. the calc gets finished in the comments. just scrolling down a little

galan had a calc which pecked him at island level DC on NF with 9.3 GT which got retconned. it now will be redone with a new value (shockwave yield instead of nuklear yield)
 
Still, the commandments have consistently showcased Small Island AP. I'm just uncomfortable with Ban being any higher than 7-A with HF (until later on if he gets a power boost, which is more than likely) given that he only gained enough power to somewhat surpass Galan (who was also being weakened by HF). I doubt he would be able to compete with Doflamingo due to the power difference and that Doflamingo has quite a bit of versatility with his DF and haki and that he can fly virtually anywhere within his bird cage (which can span at least 44km distance in diameter given that he caged in the entire island of Dressrosa).

Until I see a Ban/Base Galan upgrade, I'm still siding strongly with Doflamingo winning this mid-difficulty since he can utilize his awakened mode without becoming fatigued for extended periods of time.

I'll wait for the calculation in the meantime.
 
without differing opinions vsbattles were not interesting. i already gave my reasoning as of why i and others think ban will come out on top

-> impossible to kill

-> impossible to incapacitate without having to focus on it all the time

-> hunter fest lowering doflamingos stats while at the same time increasing bans

-> using that time to steal vital organs from doflamingo (like the heart)
 
all i see is 2-2 till now(votes without proper reasoning don't count)

Still waiting to vote,leaning towards ban,but waiting if cin can prove that DO can incap or BFR or actually kill Ban.
 
I'm suggesting that Doflamingo can knock Ban out with no problem. I'll drop incapacitation since there is not enough information for me to prove that Doflamingo can just wrap Ban in threads and just leave him there (Parasito could do the trick, though). I'd also need to learn how far Ban can go with using PH and HF on an individual person. He has shown only capable of fully draining those who are around his level of ability and we've only seen one instance where he used it on someone actually far stronger than him (Base Galan and everyone around him) but I don't recall him ever using HF or PH on someone who is vastly superior to him.

Killing Ban is out of the question since Doflamingo doesn't have soul hax and Ban is pretty much the anime Deadpool.

If victory is via Knock Out, I'm still going for Doflamingo.

Even if Ban manages to use Fox hunt and destroyed his heart (which I honestly find being very unlikely given that Doflamingo has pre-cog and a way to make his skin harder than steel by a vast degree), Doflamingo could repair it. He repaired his heart after it was impaled and immediately blown up (along with every other organ inside his body... lol) by Trafalgar Law: http://www.***********.net/one-piece/781/8, http://www.***********.net/one-piece/781/11, http://www.***********.net/one-piece/781/14 -- http://www.***********.net/one-piece/781/17
 
I'd also like to add that, after his skirmish with Galan, Ban became extremely fatigued due to absorbing more power he can handle: http://www.***********.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/146/19 , http://www.***********.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/147/4

How would he expect to be able to defeat Doflamingo if he'd be too exhausted after absorbing his power for some time? Surely he wouldn't have nearly enough power to kill Doflamingo, who can fly, repair organs, fight from several kilometers away, and can predict danger briefly before it happens.
 
yes, because he and his partner (don't care to remember her name) were deciding it would be the perfect time to converse while Ban caught them off guard: http://www.***********.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/146/8
 
they decided so because bans soul was supposedly stolen and absorbed. of course they turned their backs from him.

how do you suggest the KOing ban to work?
 
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