Stop trying to shift the burden. You’re not slick. You made the positive claim that FKT Ayon > TYBW Ayon, by definition the burden of proof is on you buddy.
We aren’t saying that. You’ve failed to provide any evidence that Ayon stayed the same level of power.
Deceived already packed you up on this so I won’t repeat what he said. You can read the physiology blogs to learn more about the basic powers spiritual beings have in Bleach.
Ichigo was the only one who could break Yukio's dimension in the post-timeskip. Plus 80% Base Yhwach no diffed Kenpachi, while a weakened Ichigo put up a good fight against the real Base Yhwach
Okay, couldn't Shunsui have remained at the same power level as before? You admitted that Shikai Shunsui was at the same power level even in TYBW. Because there was nothing to show that he was stronger than before. What about Ayon?
I looked at the Soul Physiology and Fullbringer Physiology pages but there is nothing about reading power levels.
Shunsui is stated to have been at the same-ish level of strength. So we have due reason to believe he didn’t get much stronger. This means nothing for Ayon tho. They’re two separate characters. Again prove Ayon stayed the same strength bud.
read what deceived sent you again. He already slammed you on this topic.
I already responded to the manga panel he posted.
That interpretation is less likely to be true because the context of the scene is the crew sensing the battle occurring above them and wondering whose the spiritual pressures engaging in combat. It doesn't make sense to assume it's just them feeling the strength of the Reiatsu, when they're explicitly sensing both and trying to figure who these entities are.
Rn 0 are accepted I think
Bleach doesn't have layered soul hax right now, but I'm pretty sure revisions will be made in the future to reinstate its layers.
Soul Crush should be a viable restriction I think
That's true.
Trust me, as a Nasuverse fan, I know your pain.
I don't think you can restrict it. It's not a transformation or piece of equipment, nor does it boost their stats.
That's different, because Yamamoto cut through Ayon completely with the attack, while FKT Ayon couldn't burn through Iba instantly.
They can sense power levels, and Zaraki doesn't control his own power level in this arc?
We didn't "admit" this on a whim, we said this because there is a direct statement about this. We don't say this arbitrarily.
I said it should be viable. As in, the rules should allow it.
Yeah pretty it can’t be restricted based on current rules. And that’s why it’s hard to find matches for Bleach characters. And for that other series I’m trying to make matches with as well. Because not many characters that are popular with supporters are around the 3-C range.
Oh, I know. The Nasuverse's 4-D Invulnerability to everything is the bane of making fair matches for almost every relevant character ever.
That's fair.
To be fair, 3-C is a weirdly sparsely populated tier, so that was always going to be a struggle.
Cause then creating fights would be more fun and interesting, duh
I guess that's fair, but eh. I guess you could make a thread about it.
Ehh at least it’s easier to find matches for than their old tier of 4-A where they just AP stomp the crap out of everybody in 4-A because their scaling of 4-A has them one shotting 4-As that most 4-As in other verses scale to. Though it’s not like their current 3-C tier is that much better.
That's true. Most of 4-A scale to the basic starry sky calc, so anyone above that kind of just AP stomp for the most part.
It's even worse in DBS for 2-C. DBS characters are multiple quadrillions of times stronger than baseline 2-C. The only way you're getting a fair match is through hax because a higher universe count makes it a stomp in the opponent's favor, especially if they also outhax.
Tell me about it. Thought we could finally have a 6 universe 2-C match with Dragon Ball. And than I saw how some DBS 6 Universe 2-C like Jiren scales to far above 3,200,000x 6 Universe 2-C. And I don’t even know where the DBS Superheroes 2-C scale. Like if they were just a couple hundred times baseline it would still be doable with some characters. But millions is a bit too high especially for 2-C. Like it’s hard enough to find anybody that’s even around 6 Universe 2-C in the first place.
Even SDBH has this problem because they scale to destroying an infinite number of 5D structures. So most matches in 5D are complete AP shitstomps. But then ever for them, you have some that are relatively haxless (Xeno Goku), meaning a low 1-C with enough hax or busted physiologies would godstomp. That or there are complete hax DEMONS (CC Goku), with some of them having absolutely brutal passive shit too, like Universe Tree Goku's history-based EE, basically reiatsu crush on steroids.
Ughh stuff like that I why I hate passive stuff like reiatsu crush and tier 1s cause you’re either haxless or full of hax. Literally no in between whatsoever. Really hope the series I’m currently working on doesn’t suddenly become tier 1 because of that one tier 1 object that’s finally reappearing in the series in a few weeks after like 25 years since its last appearance. Entering tier 1 with no hax is a horrible idea.
Most of the lieutenants he defeated there weren't actually lieutenant level btw
btw IIRC I retranslated this statement and it was mistranslated too
Rukia can't sense spiritual pressure now?
Dang, that's pretty bad.
I haven't listend to every ending theme, but Thank You is a great pick!
Entering tier 1 without hax is like entering a Michelin Star bake off with an $100 budget. Same goes with being tier 1 without immeasurable speed.
That's why I think Dragon Ball Super hitting Low 1-C is pretty funny.
Speed-wise, Guilty Gear is goofy as hell. They ain't even FTL.
Immeasurable speed we’re good. Since apparently the infinite speed feats they consistently show right now according to a staff is actually supposed to be an immeasurable speed feat. But yeah they don’t have hax. If anything they are more antihax in their current tier. They resist all kinds of stuff like biological, madness, mind, soul, gravity, space, time manipulation etc.
It's good work
That is pretty funny.
no, I think TYBW Bankai Zaraki slams any version of Ichigo with Fullbring
