ReaperAndBlues
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Ichigo was the only one who could break Yukio's dimension in the post-timeskip. Plus 80% Base Yhwach no diffed Kenpachi, while a weakened Ichigo put up a good fight against the real Base Yhwach
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Apollonir.Scale
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Okay, couldn't Shunsui have remained at the same power level as before? You admitted that Shikai Shunsui was at the same power level even in TYBW. Because there was nothing to show that he was stronger than before. What about Ayon?
I looked at the Soul Physiology and Fullbringer Physiology pages but there is nothing about reading power levels.
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Shunsui is stated to have been at the same-ish level of strength. So we have due reason to believe he didn’t get much stronger. This means nothing for Ayon tho. They’re two separate characters. Again prove Ayon stayed the same strength bud.
read what deceived sent you again. He already slammed you on this topic.
Apollonir.Scale
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I already responded to the manga panel he posted.
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That interpretation is less likely to be true because the context of the scene is the crew sensing the battle occurring above them and wondering whose the spiritual pressures engaging in combat. It doesn't make sense to assume it's just them feeling the strength of the Reiatsu, when they're explicitly sensing both and trying to figure who these entities are.
But, assuming you're correct on this and they aren't actually sensing their spiritual pressure through a specific spiritual sense, but rather through sense-experience. Orihime specifically notes the change in Uryu's spiritual pressure, assumingly in how strong it has become since the scene in question is Uryu combating against Jirobo, so we have no reason to interpret this scene as anything else but her sensing the strength of Uryu's spiritual pressure, and as we know, Quincies specifically don't project their Reiatsu as they battle; they fight not by projecting their souls outwards, but by conjoining their spiritual energy with Reishi and outwardly manipulating it.
So the existence of this scan completely debunks this notion of Orihime being incapable of sensing the strength of spiritual pressure. You're just wrong on this point.
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Btw just wondering how many layers is the soul crush thing in Bleach again? Cause there is a match I wanna do with True Zanpakuto Ichigo as the two characters have similar personality and AP (3-C to 3-B via stat boosts). But soul crush is a thing and that kinda prevent matches from being possible.
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Rn 0 are accepted I think
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Wait really. Nice that means it’s actually possible for that match to be made since the other character has like a layer or two of soul resistance last I checked. Oh boy this is gonna be fun. But I need to update the other profile first. Since the profile hasn’t been updated yet. But AP wise after update he starts at
71.977289 ZettaFoe and caps out at 12.95591202 YottaFoe with a shield that could briefly hold off attacks from characters that are much much stronger 38.86773606 YottaFoe
71.977289 ZettaFoe and caps out at 12.95591202 YottaFoe with a shield that could briefly hold off attacks from characters that are much much stronger 38.86773606 YottaFoe
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Bleach doesn't have layered soul hax right now, but I'm pretty sure revisions will be made in the future to reinstate its layers.
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Soul Crush should be a viable restriction I think
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That's true.
Trust me, as a Nasuverse fan, I know your pain.
I don't think you can restrict it. It's not a transformation or piece of equipment, nor does it boost their stats.
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That's different, because Yamamoto cut through Ayon completely with the attack, while FKT Ayon couldn't burn through Iba instantly.
They can sense power levels, and Zaraki doesn't control his own power level in this arc?
We didn't "admit" this on a whim, we said this because there is a direct statement about this. We don't say this arbitrarily.
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I said it should be viable. As in, the rules should allow it.
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Yeah pretty it can’t be restricted based on current rules. And that’s why it’s hard to find matches for Bleach characters. And for that other series I’m trying to make matches with as well. Because not many characters that are popular with supporters are around the 3-C range.
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Oh, I know. The Nasuverse's 4-D Invulnerability to everything is the bane of making fair matches for almost every relevant character ever.
That's fair.
To be fair, 3-C is a weirdly sparsely populated tier, so that was always going to be a struggle.
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Cause then creating fights would be more fun and interesting, duh
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I guess that's fair, but eh. I guess you could make a thread about it.
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Ehh at least it’s easier to find matches for than their old tier of 4-A where they just AP stomp the crap out of everybody in 4-A because their scaling of 4-A has them one shotting 4-As that most 4-As in other verses scale to. Though it’s not like their current 3-C tier is that much better.
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That's true. Most of 4-A scale to the basic starry sky calc, so anyone above that kind of just AP stomp for the most part.
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It's even worse in DBS for 2-C. DBS characters are multiple quadrillions of times stronger than baseline 2-C. The only way you're getting a fair match is through hax because a higher universe count makes it a stomp in the opponent's favor, especially if they also outhax.
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Tell me about it. Thought we could finally have a 6 universe 2-C match with Dragon Ball. And than I saw how some DBS 6 Universe 2-C like Jiren scales to far above 3,200,000x 6 Universe 2-C. And I don’t even know where the DBS Superheroes 2-C scale. Like if they were just a couple hundred times baseline it would still be doable with some characters. But millions is a bit too high especially for 2-C. Like it’s hard enough to find anybody that’s even around 6 Universe 2-C in the first place.
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ReaperAndBlues
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Even SDBH has this problem because they scale to destroying an infinite number of 5D structures. So most matches in 5D are complete AP shitstomps. But then ever for them, you have some that are relatively haxless (Xeno Goku), meaning a low 1-C with enough hax or busted physiologies would godstomp. That or there are complete hax DEMONS (CC Goku), with some of them having absolutely brutal passive shit too, like Universe Tree Goku's history-based EE, basically reiatsu crush on steroids.
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Ughh stuff like that I why I hate passive stuff like reiatsu crush and tier 1s cause you’re either haxless or full of hax. Literally no in between whatsoever. Really hope the series I’m currently working on doesn’t suddenly become tier 1 because of that one tier 1 object that’s finally reappearing in the series in a few weeks after like 25 years since its last appearance. Entering tier 1 with no hax is a horrible idea.
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Most of the lieutenants he defeated there weren't actually lieutenant level btw
btw IIRC I retranslated this statement and it was mistranslated too
始解にして既に超然たるこの霊圧
it's not the same word used later on when it contextually matters
Rukia can't sense spiritual pressure now?
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Dang, that's pretty bad.
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I haven't listend to every ending theme, but Thank You is a great pick!
ReaperAndBlues
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Entering tier 1 without hax is like entering a Michelin Star bake off with an $100 budget. Same goes with being tier 1 without immeasurable speed.
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That's why I think Dragon Ball Super hitting Low 1-C is pretty funny.
ReaperAndBlues
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Speed-wise, Guilty Gear is goofy as hell. They ain't even FTL.
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Immeasurable speed we’re good. Since apparently the infinite speed feats they consistently show right now according to a staff is actually supposed to be an immeasurable speed feat. But yeah they don’t have hax. If anything they are more antihax in their current tier. They resist all kinds of stuff like biological, madness, mind, soul, gravity, space, time manipulation etc.
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It's good work
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That is pretty funny.
An even funnier example would be the Honkai characters. While they're Immeasurable now, at one point, they were 1-A while only being FTL!
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Kid Zaraki > Soul King 
Guacamolefletcher
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no, I think TYBW Bankai Zaraki slams any version of Ichigo with Fullbring
The scaling I implemented and what is accepted is Fullbring Bankai Ichigo ~ Yhwach ~ Post-Training Zaraki < Shikai Zaraki <<< Bankai Zaraki.
I don't know what Fullbring Bankai Ichigo can do against that. He's getting slammed
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I’m not trolling, but Zaraki Bankai TYBW cannot defeat base Yhwach. Ichigo managed to injure base Yhwach in his Fullbring Bankai form, whereas Zaraki lost to Fake Yhwach. After that, he had his training with Unohana and then fought Gremmy. If you closely watch the fight, Zaraki is afraid of machine guns in the anime; he even uses a slab of rock to protect himself, while Fake Yhwach withstands the temperature of the sun.Kid Zaraki > Soul King
Even Gremmy isn’t that strong—he doesn’t even use Blut. He hardens his body like steel, while Fake Yhwach uses Blut to protect himself from Yamaji’s flames. Anyway, you’ll see it clearly today: Mayuri defeated Kenpachi, just like he defeated Pernida and its abilities. So why doesn’t Zaraki’s reiatsu protect him?
Zaraki’s Bankai has no real feats. He tears off Valkyrie’s arm but then knocks himself out on his own. On the other hand, Adult Toshiro has better feats than Bankai Zaraki. Even as a child, Toshiro managed to block Nozarashi twice in the manga.
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