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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Nierre said:
Definitely Demon Slayer, but KnY is not something I'm interested in arguing about


EDIT: I interpreted the question as: "which show showcases better swordsmanship". In terms of which series has better swordsmen/swordsmanship, Bleach by far.
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DS, I'll admit, has "shown" better, but Bleach swordsmen dunk on KnY. Like, Ichigo as a swordsman has shown far more feats in terms of potential than anyone in KnY, and also has probably shown more feats in general. I mean, stalemating Kenpachi with only 10 days of training is not a small feat, considering Kenpachi's own insane intuition and his own crazy feat himself.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Actually, since it was brought up, I'd like to ask a question, a somewhat controversial one. Which series generally has better swordsmanship: Bleach, or Demon Slayer?

In my opinion it's Bleach, not because I'm biased (I kinda am tho), but because it has a lot of feats people seem to gloss over and not only say disingenuous shit like "it's only Bankais and blowing shit up" Or the many, many times I've heard "Ichigo just swings his sword". Of course I can be lazy and just say Unohana's feat alone already dunks on the verse, and how Yamamoto scaling massively above her also adds insult to injury, but there's much more I can say about Bleach's swordsmanship. For f***s sake, it's a verse whose main power system is swords, and people act like there isn't any swordsmanship in it.
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I'd go Bleach

There're a bunch of geniuses
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
DS, I'll admit, has "shown" better, but Bleach swordsmen dunk on KnY. Like, Ichigo as a swordsman has shown far more feats in terms of potential than anyone in KnY, and also has probably shown more feats in general. I mean, stalemating Kenpachi with only 10 days of training is not a small feat, considering Kenpachi's own insane intuition and his own crazy feat himself.
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yeah i def agree

i dont think anyone in kny stands a chance in skill
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Actually, since it was brought up, I'd like to ask a question, a somewhat controversial one. Which series generally has better swordsmanship: Bleach, or Demon Slayer?

In my opinion it's Bleach, not because I'm biased (I kinda am tho), but because it has a lot of feats people seem to gloss over and not only say disingenuous shit like "it's only Bankais and blowing shit up" Or the many, many times I've heard "Ichigo just swings his sword". Of course I can be lazy and just say Unohana's feat alone already dunks on the verse, and how Yamamoto scaling massively above her also adds insult to injury, but there's much more I can say about Bleach's swordsmanship. For f***s sake, it's a verse whose main power system is swords, and people act like there isn't any swordsmanship in it.
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Demon slayer cause they got effects and Shi without having powers
 
Arcker123 said:
Prove it can. Things like echolocation are things Kars can in reason access.

D4C transfers memories so they will have already experienced the pasting and evolve past it.
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Base ks could already affect extrasensory like reiryoku perception. Merged ks can affect perception as powerful as almighty.

Aizen would just overwhelm the resistance.
Arcker123 said:
You can actually make this case since weaker illusion powers like Sakanade can manipulate an entire armies Echolocation in the novels (Ikomikidomoe's hollow clones).

There should still be other senses in the animal kingdom kars has that should require feats from Aizen to affect. It's that diverse.
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Base aizen could affect extrasensory.
Merged ks could affect something like almighty so affecting sone animalistic sense is child's play.
Don't forget arrancers are composition of million minds each have their separate identity. Inferior mind hax can affect them
 
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Love Train vs Yhwach

I'm not sure if I'm crazy, curious or *********. Probably all three things at a level beyond human comprehension. Keep this civil please Both characters are at their peak, and speed is equalized Love Trai: Yhwach: Inconclusive: The first one to take the napkin.
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Yhwach vs Funny Valentine

Love Train D4C Funny Valentine vs Pre-Almighty Yhwach SBA. Speed equal. Yhwach is willing to use every ability in his arsenal to destroy funny. Both are bloodlusted. Starting distance of 20 metres. Thoughts? I found this while searching for yhwach image..
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Funny Valentine vs Yhwach (REDUX)

Previous thread ended really terribly, so I wanted to do this again. This time however, no insults and degenerating comments. So, Funny Valentine vs Yhwach Round 1: True Power Yhwach Round 2: Soul King Absorbed Yhwach Round 3: Yhwach Soul King Absorbed with Sternritter abilities Speed...
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Yhwach vs Funny Valentine

Don't you just love a good Hax match? The man who can see every timeline vs the man who exists in every timeline. Yhwach vs Funny Valentine Speed Equalized. Love Train and The Almighty on. No Sternritter abilities. Round 1: Win via Single Death. (Once for Yhwach, Single Root World for...
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whose gonna do it again
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
That's not really as big of a feat as people gas it up to be

(I know dis probably bait)
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It ain’t bait tho bleach as good swordsmanship but demon slayers have sword styles based on stuff like sun moon lightning and sword technique are more explored like the power system focuses on sword technique so it’s bond to be better
 
Westcoast5005 said:
It ain’t bait tho bleach as good swordsmanship but demon slayers have sword styles based on stuff like sun moon lightning and sword technique are more explored like the power system focuses on sword technique so it’s bond to be better
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Bleach's swordsmanship isn't something spoonfed to you in order to understand, it has legitimate swordsmanship from real world and fictional practices. Learning how to wield a Zanpakuto and unlocking new moves with it aren't pure hax feats. Getsuga Tenshou is literally a Zanjutsu technique, hence why Isshin could use it. Mastering Bankai is a skill that only very dedicated, talented, and experienced individuals can achieve, hence why it is one of the standards for being a captain, aside from defeating them (which Kenpachi did btw against another Kenpachi, whom are potrayed to be the most skilled aside from Yamaji himself)

Plus, naming moves doesn't equate to skill, if that was the case, Mihawk would be the most unskilled swordsman in fiction, and we know Mihawk skillstomps every KnY character effortlessly.

Just having hax isn't good enough as a Shinigami, it's considered shameful for one to not know Zanjutsu.

Bleach swordsmen have also shown better feats too, like Ichigo deflecting omnidirectional paper thin danmaku (which people claim is only a speed feat despite the fact that Ichigo clearly had trouble keeping up even in Bankai, and that you need ridiculous dexterity to perform such a feat), or when Ichigo outskilled Ginjo and took advantage of his sword's slow swing and the surface area of his sword by turning it on its axis to split his sword in two, or when Ichigo mastered dual wielding instantaneously and fought Yhwach. Those are feats that no one in Kimetsu has done, or probably could ever do, and that's just the ones I have easily on hand. To pull out the simplest argument: Unohana mastered 8000 different sword styles, and Yamamoto massively scales above her.

Just because you rely more on swordsmanship for the overall power system, doesn't mean you have better swordsmanship than others that don't, again, if that were the case, KnY characters would be contending with characters like Zoro since OP's main thing is Haki, and we know that is sure as hell not happening. Plus, Shinigami rely on it only slightly less than the Demon Slayers, only due to the fact that they have other shit like Kido.
 
Yhwach mentions ichigo can change fate, it's just inferior to yhwach.
Can ichigo get fate manipulation based on this?
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Bleach's swordsmanship isn't something spoonfed to you in order to understand, it has legitimate swordsmanship from real world and fictional practices. Learning how to wield a Zanpakuto and unlocking new moves with it aren't pure hax feats. Getsuga Tenshou is literally a Zanjutsu technique, hence why Isshin could use it. Mastering Bankai is a skill that only very dedicated, talented, and experienced individuals can achieve, hence why it is one of the standards for being a captain, aside from defeating them (which Kenpachi did btw against another Kenpachi, whom are potrayed to be the most skilled aside from Yamaji himself)

Plus, naming moves doesn't equate to skill, if that was the case, Mihawk would be the most unskilled swordsman in fiction, and we know Mihawk skillstomps every KnY character effortlessly.

Just having hax isn't good enough as a Shinigami, it's considered shameful for one to not know Zanjutsu.

Bleach swordsmen have also shown better feats too, like Ichigo deflecting omnidirectional paper thin danmaku (which people claim is only a speed feat despite the fact that Ichigo clearly had trouble keeping up even in Bankai, and that you need ridiculous dexterity to perform such a feat), or when Ichigo outskilled Ginjo and took advantage of his sword's slow swing and the surface area of his sword by turning it on its axis to split his sword in two, or when Ichigo mastered dual wielding instantaneously and fought Yhwach. Those are feats that no one in Kimetsu has done, or probably could ever do, and that's just the ones I have easily on hand. To pull out the simplest argument: Unohana mastered 8000 different sword styles, and Yamamoto massively scales above her.

Just because you rely more on swordsmanship for the overall power system, doesn't mean you have better swordsmanship than others that don't, again, if that were the case, KnY characters would be contending with characters like Zoro since OP's main thing is Haki, and we know that is sure as hell not happening. Plus, Shinigami rely on it only slightly less than the Demon Slayers, only due to the fact that they have other shit like Kido.
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Why do we consider captains are master swordsmanship? Do we have concrete statement about all of them them being master?
Which one is rated higher? Master or expert?
 
Adam1396 said:
Why do we consider captains are master swordsmanship?
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Not all of them are (even tho who we do consider as masters should be higher like Gin and Toshiro). Captains can alter or improve upon their Bankais without swordsmanship like Mayuri who tweaks it with technology.
Adam1396 said:
Do we have concrete statement about all of them them being master?
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Not quite all of them, some don't even use their swords that much (Soifon and Yoruichi) and some of them do in fact mostly rely on hax or intelligence like Mayuri. But Kenpachi, Unohana (Definitely), Aizen, Isshin (scaling from dueling Aizen), Urahara, Byakuya, Shinji (same reason as Isshin), Shunsui, Ukitake, and especially Yamamoto, are concrete masters. Tosen is also a master on his profile, and I guess it works based on his feat. That's 11 captains, and there's also the fact that Gin and Toshiro should also scale due to their intelligence and Gin being able to fight Ichigo.
Adam1396 said:
Which one is rated higher? Master or expert?
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Master>Expert
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Not all of them are (even tho who we do consider as masters should be higher like Gin and Toshiro). Captains can alter or improve upon their Bankais without swordsmanship like Mayuri who tweaks it with technology.

Not quite all of them, some don't even use their swords that much (Soifon and Yoruichi) and some of them do in fact mostly rely on hax or intelligence like Mayuri. But Kenpachi, Unohana (Definitely), Aizen, Isshin (scaling from dueling Aizen), Urahara, Byakuya, Shinji (same reason as Isshin), Shunsui, Ukitake, and especially Yamamoto, are concrete masters. Tosen is also a master on his profile, and I guess it works based on his feat. That's 11 captains, and there's also the fact that Gin and Toshiro should also scale due to their intelligence and Gin being able to fight Ichigo.

Master>Expert
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So we don’t have any generalized statement?
Wasn’t there a statement that they actually master swordsmanship much before achieving shikai?
Like they also have to pass in movement, h2h to graduate from shinigami academy?
 
Adam1396 said:
So we don’t have any generalized statement?
Wasn’t there a statement that they actually master swordsmanship much before achieving shikai?
Like they also have to pass in movement, h2h to graduate from shinigami academy?
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Oh shit, we do somewhere, I gotta scanhunt for it. I remember a statement like that.
 
Imma look tomorrow tho, I gotta get sleep. Anyways, that statement does exist, I remember it, I just don't know where. It's prolly in the SS Arc since that arc had the most worldbuilding for the SS and also the lifestyle and systems of shinigami.

As for me, I will go to bed.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Imma look tomorrow tho, I gotta get sleep. Anyways, that statement does exist, I remember it, I just don't know where. It's prolly in the SS Arc since that arc had the most worldbuilding for the SS and also the lifestyle and systems of shinigami.

As for me, I will go to bed.
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Ep 46 anime exclusive may be
 
Robo432343 said:
Giselle is a better waifu than orihime
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The GOAT disagrees, but okay. You're allowed to be wrong.
 
Do yall think Ichigo vs Nnoitra is a good skill feat?

He's able to contend with an opponent who's much stronger than him + he literally can't damage him for multiple chapters.
 
Arcker123 said:
Do yall think Ichigo vs Nnoitra is a good skill feat?

He's able to contend with an opponent who's much stronger than him + he literally can't damage him for multiple chapters.
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Of course bruh. Nnoitra was also the most skilled swordsman of the Espada, even more than Ulquiorra.
 
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