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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Alright I'm gunna explain it one more time so children can understand. Because y'all clearly don't.

My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.

But unsensible depends on you and your opponent. So you literally can't use the argument without accepting it as it's own tier. You keep saying you aren't saying it's it's own tier but I don't think you realize applying it to Aizen must mean you upscale Aizen to all Shinigami not stated to be transcendent or WSK. As of right now Chrysalis Aizen is upscaling anybody not WSK level. And because you keep using the term unsensible it means you applying the ability to be sensed as it's own class of tier/being when its based on you and your opponent.

So if I say Ichibei can't be sensed and you say he was never stated to be unsensible this means you are acting like Aizen is unsensible to any being not WSK or higher. You didn't say this, but your argument is saying this by default.

Jesus Christ
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.
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Nothing here is an argument.

Even if we granted this gobbledygook, it wouldn't follow from the fact that Unsensibility isn't it's own tier that Ichibei cannot be sensed.
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Alright I'm gunna explain it one more time so children can understand. Because y'all clearly don't.
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🤓

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.
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The rebuttal was not "he isn't stated to be unsensible". Your argument was that Ichibe wasn't explicitly stated/shown to be sensed therefore he cannot be sensed (using Grimmjow as the person doing the sensing). The refutation to this was "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Since you are claiming the absence of evidence (absence of direct statements/showings that Ichibe can be sensed) is evidence of absence (proof Ichibe cannot be sensed). That is a logical fallacy, and thus defeats your argument. It is an argument from ignorance; however, you have conceded to being intentionally ignorant so who is really surprised here.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
But unsensible depends on you and your opponent. So you literally can't use the argument without accepting it as it's own tier. You keep saying you aren't saying it's it's own tier but I don't think you realize applying it to Aizen must mean you upscale Aizen to all Shinigami not stated to be transcendent or WSK. As of right now Chrysalis Aizen is upscaling anybody not WSK level. And because you keep using the term unsensible it means you applying the ability to be sensed as it's own class of tier/being when its based on you and your opponent.
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The reason Condom Aizen is above Shutara's true power is for the following reason: people weaker than the likes of Kisuke and Isshin who are base Aizen level are likely capable of sensing Shutara's Bankai as we see them react to the permeation of her reiatsu (which would indicate they can perceive it in some manner), meanwhile these stronger characters (Kisuke and Isshin) cannot sense Condom Aizen. Therefore Condom Aizen is stronger. Condom Aizen (unsensible) > Kisuke and Isshin ~ base Aizen > Shunsui < Shutara's Bankai (sensible), therefore Condom Aizen > Shutara's Bankai.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
So if I say Ichibei can't be sensed and you say he was never stated to be unsensible this means you are acting like Aizen is unsensible to any being not WSK or higher. You didn't say this, but your argument is saying this by default.
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I explain above why this isn't my argument.

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Jesus Christ
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Don't use the Lord's name in vain 🙏

Twisted_Little_Raven said:
The fact I had to explain that is crazy. Y'all are dumb I'm done with this debate
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Bulverism moment. Concession accepted tho.
 
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Reacting to the realms being shaken and not her actual reiatsu esp since Gerard and sternritter didn't even know she got stronger but yes it is concession
 
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Raven literally nobody cares about that point and nobody was discussing it with you.

We were talking about me calling you bringing that up dickeating. The fact you consistently fail to track Basic trains of thought is asinine to me.
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
No need I already showed why with my last screenshot and I already proved many times y'all are biased and it's too Long to go over all of it
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Failure to fulfill the burden of proof. But like I agree I am biased when it comes to who I want to spend my time with, and with respect to this scenario I am biased towards my friendship with Arcker over yours. However, that doesn't mean I cannot maintain impartiality in debates. I simply think your claims and arguments are incorrect. You even conceded, and are coping with the loss by crying "Arc is biased, he's a big meanie, Arcker is a little boy, I'm superior to him". Like ok buddy no one cares, hop off.
 
Bastolan27 said:
HOLY SHIT, I spent like 4 hours grinding League, and y'all are more toxic than all my matches combined. That's why I like this thread; I don't think there's a thread more toxic than this one.
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All the toxicity is just two people arguing with each other and everybody watching ******** on the loser.

It's like the monkey fights from Simpsons.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Failure to fulfill the burden of proof. But like I agree I am biased when it comes to who I want to spend my time with, and with respect to this scenario I am biased towards my friendship with Arcker over yours. However, that doesn't mean I cannot maintain impartiality in debates. I simply think your claims and arguments are incorrect. You even conceded, and are coping with the loss by crying "Arc is biased, he's a big meanie, Arcker is a little boy, I'm superior to him". Like ok buddy no one cares, hop off.
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The latter has nothing to do with the debate and it's just me stating that he is. Hop off?? He butted himself in even tho I was trying to ignore him. Stop being slow
 
This thread's ******* amazing dawg


It's like a comic book, we have the usual villains of the week (@Reio35 @Twisted_Little_Raven and @AppleLord) who are gonna start arguments with their bad takes every time they can, or some random mf who created their account yesterday, comes in here asking questions, creates an argument that goes on for four pages, and then never appear again
 
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