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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Wait no Arc he did use shirafune ichimonji tho?
Twisted_Little_Raven
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I'm not engaging with you at all idiot
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Ad hominem
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My bad you right, doesn't really change what I said tho.
Arcker123
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If you were even a quarter as intelligent as you impossibly believe yourself to be, you would realize that I never even claimed to be engaging with you.
Guacamolefletcher
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Can you lower the ego to where it can at least seem ironic?
Twisted_Little_Raven
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It's relative to power. so no it isn't since we have proof he's not transcendent
I don't think either of us can prove this not the core of my argument dude
Ok
It's relevant to the fact he can't be sensed
Yes he did dummy
Because Senjumaru could and he couldn't be among the other examples of people not sensing him
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Wikipedia warriors will dominate this conversation.
KingNanaya
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Yeah i was just confused for a sec cause everything else you said tracks.
Arcker123
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Raven can't construct a coherent chain of reasoning to save her life.
Like what the hell is this supposed to even mean? Is this a rebuttal?
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Raven:Ichibei ain't sealed
My rotted brain that desires any Sternritter wanks 4-A Royd i see i see.
My rotted brain that desires any Sternritter wanks 4-A Royd i see i see.
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I have no idea where Raven gets her inflated ego nor what justifies in her head this immense pride and "I'm better than you" attitude. Like she gets visibly upset when people don't take her seriously, acts the way she acts, and then wonders why. Crazy.
I never claimed anything about Condom Aizen's transcendence. I've just been talking about his inability to be sensed. Can you for the love of all that is good, stay on track.
You blatantly conceding to shifting the burden. You made the initial positive claim, therefore the onus is on you to prove such. But thank you for conceding that you cannot prove such.
Admission to ignorance.
No it isn't? How does Ichibe > Shutara provide any relevancy to Ichibe being unable to be sensed? That argument only follows if you think Shutara cannot be sensed. In which case, that is another unsubstantiated claim you are providing, that you would in turn have to prove.
Don't call me a dummy
Senjumaru could what? Speak in complete sentences.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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It means unsensible isn't a thing in bleach in actuality. He's treating is as it's own tier of power far beyond Ichibei but whether or not you can be sensed depends on the opponent. We accept actual transcends as WSK or higher I believe and condom Aizen isn't that. Meaning take any number below WSK and he would be sensible somewhere there. He's not truly unsensible nobody is. So treating is as it's own realm of power must mean y'all treat it as transcendent since by y'all logic Senjumaru can be sensed and then next tier after her is WSK. Ichibei is above Senjumaru and can't be sensed which is similar ballpark
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The inability to be sensed is a thing in Bleach, I provided scans early. I'm not treating anything like that, you initiated this Ichibe stuff by claiming Grimmjow couldn't sense him, and I've been slamming you on your head about that topic this entire debate.
It is stated that if someone were on the same level as Aizen they'd sense him, never argued against that.
No one, except you, has claimed that the inability to be sensed is its own realm of power like transcendent.
No one said that the next tier beyond Senjumaru is WSK tier.
You have not proven that Ichibe cannot be sensed. Hitchen's razor gg.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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What made u type all this? Because I called that person a child? I just don't like them
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My motivations are self-evident, even a child could understand them.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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What's the tier below WSK?
You didn't. You spoke in fractured english and made claims unsubstantiated. You have yet to even justify why Ichibe being beyond Shutara makes him unable to be sensed.
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Alright I'm gunna explain it one more time so children can understand. Because y'all clearly don't.
My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.
But unsensible depends on you and your opponent. So you literally can't use the argument without accepting it as it's own tier. You keep saying you aren't saying it's it's own tier but I don't think you realize applying it to Aizen must mean you upscale Aizen to all Shinigami not stated to be transcendent or WSK. As of right now Chrysalis Aizen is upscaling anybody not WSK level. And because you keep using the term unsensible it means you applying the ability to be sensed as it's own class of tier/being when its based on you and your opponent.
So if I say Ichibei can't be sensed and you say he was never stated to be unsensible this means you are acting like Aizen is unsensible to any being not WSK or higher. You didn't say this, but your argument is saying this by default.
Jesus Christ
My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.
But unsensible depends on you and your opponent. So you literally can't use the argument without accepting it as it's own tier. You keep saying you aren't saying it's it's own tier but I don't think you realize applying it to Aizen must mean you upscale Aizen to all Shinigami not stated to be transcendent or WSK. As of right now Chrysalis Aizen is upscaling anybody not WSK level. And because you keep using the term unsensible it means you applying the ability to be sensed as it's own class of tier/being when its based on you and your opponent.
So if I say Ichibei can't be sensed and you say he was never stated to be unsensible this means you are acting like Aizen is unsensible to any being not WSK or higher. You didn't say this, but your argument is saying this by default.
Jesus Christ
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I've been gone for an hour and almost 2 pages have been fully filled out over this silly little debate
Never change Bleach Thread
Never change Bleach Thread
Twisted_Little_Raven
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The fact I had to explain that is crazy. Y'all are dumb I'm done with this debate
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I didn't say Arc's side was the silly one
Arcker123
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Nothing here is an argument.
Even if we granted this gobbledygook, it wouldn't follow from the fact that Unsensibility isn't it's own tier that Ichibei cannot be sensed.
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The rebuttal was not "he isn't stated to be unsensible". Your argument was that Ichibe wasn't explicitly stated/shown to be sensed therefore he cannot be sensed (using Grimmjow as the person doing the sensing). The refutation to this was "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Since you are claiming the absence of evidence (absence of direct statements/showings that Ichibe can be sensed) is evidence of absence (proof Ichibe cannot be sensed). That is a logical fallacy, and thus defeats your argument. It is an argument from ignorance; however, you have conceded to being intentionally ignorant so who is really surprised here.
The reason Condom Aizen is above Shutara's true power is for the following reason: people weaker than the likes of Kisuke and Isshin who are base Aizen level are likely capable of sensing Shutara's Bankai as we see them react to the permeation of her reiatsu (which would indicate they can perceive it in some manner), meanwhile these stronger characters (Kisuke and Isshin) cannot sense Condom Aizen. Therefore Condom Aizen is stronger. Condom Aizen (unsensible) > Kisuke and Isshin ~ base Aizen > Shunsui < Shutara's Bankai (sensible), therefore Condom Aizen > Shutara's Bankai.
I explain above why this isn't my argument.
Don't use the Lord's name in vain
Bulverism moment. Concession accepted tho.
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Twisted_Little_Raven
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Reacting to the realms being shaken and not her actual reiatsu esp since Gerard and sternritter didn't even know she got stronger but yes it is concession
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People like Chad and the Sternritter who got no sold by Shutara's Bankai react to the reiatsu. GG on the concession tho.
We can debate that next :usopp_laugh:
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Minor spelling error GG.Don't use the Lord's name in vein
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Edited + nuh uh
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Not gonna lie, seeing the captains pull up in Huco mudeo was pretty hype
Arcker123
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I don't believe in god
No bias here for sure
Twisted_Little_Raven
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Neither do I
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Rent freed + I do like Arcker more than you + insane copium
No bias here for sure
Twisted_Little_Raven
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You wish little boy
