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My bad you right, doesn't really change what I said tho.Wait no Arc he did use shirafune ichimonji tho?
If you were even a quarter as intelligent as you impossibly believe yourself to be, you would realize that I never even claimed to be engaging with you.I'm not engaging with you at all idiot
Can you lower the ego to where it can at least seem ironic?Average ramble isn't an argument child
It's relative to power. so no it isn't since we have proof he's not transcendent
I don't think either of us can prove this not the core of my argument dudeYou have to prove that. You're conceding that you attempted to shift the burden, and thus are conceding you didn't prove your claim.
Ok"In the age of the internet and vastly accessible information, ignorance is a choice."
It's relevant to the fact he can't be sensedThis isn't coherent english but pop off. You spouted a bunch of unjustified claims. You made a bunch of assertions and didn't actually prove anything. I made no claim in this debate about a Ichibe being sealed.
Yes he did dummyThis is just a complete tangent and nonsequitur to the debate. Ichibe hasn't even used Bankai in the anime yet,
Because Senjumaru could and he couldn't be among the other examples of people not sensing himwe have no idea how his Bankai will be portrayed in comparison to Shutara, since such comparison is nonexistent in the manga. You're making a bunch of speculative claims.
She doesn't know what that means.
This logic doesn't follow. Ichibe being sealed or not holds no barring on whether or not he can be sensed. Proof entails evidence, that which you have not provided.
Yeah i was just confused for a sec cause everything else you said tracks.My bad you right, doesn't really change what I said tho.
Raven can't construct a coherent chain of reasoning to save her life.It's relative to power. so no it isn't since we have proof he's not transcendent
I never claimed anything about Condom Aizen's transcendence. I've just been talking about his inability to be sensed. Can you for the love of all that is good, stay on track.It's relative to power. so no it isn't since we have proof he's not transcendent
You blatantly conceding to shifting the burden. You made the initial positive claim, therefore the onus is on you to prove such. But thank you for conceding that you cannot prove such.I don't think either of us can prove this not the core of my argument dude
Admission to ignorance.
No it isn't? How does Ichibe > Shutara provide any relevancy to Ichibe being unable to be sensed? That argument only follows if you think Shutara cannot be sensed. In which case, that is another unsubstantiated claim you are providing, that you would in turn have to prove.It's relevant to the fact he can't be sensed
Yes he did dummy
Don't call me a dummyMy bad you right, doesn't really change what I said tho.
Senjumaru could what? Speak in complete sentences.Because Senjumaru could and he couldn't be among the other examples of people not sensing him
The inability to be sensed is a thing in Bleach, I provided scans early. I'm not treating anything like that, you initiated this Ichibe stuff by claiming Grimmjow couldn't sense him, and I've been slamming you on your head about that topic this entire debate.It means unsensible isn't a thing in bleach in actuality. He's treating is as it's own tier of power far beyond Ichibei but whether or not you can be sensed depends on the opponent.
It is stated that if someone were on the same level as Aizen they'd sense him, never argued against that.We accept actual transcends as WSK or higher I believe and condom Aizen isn't that. Meaning take any number below WSK and he would be sensible somewhere there.
No one, except you, has claimed that the inability to be sensed is its own realm of power like transcendent.He's not truly unsensible nobody is. So treating is as it's own realm of power must mean y'all treat it as transcendent
No one said that the next tier beyond Senjumaru is WSK tier.by y'all logic Senjumaru can be sealed and then next tier after her is WSK.
You have not proven that Ichibe cannot be sensed. Hitchen's razor gg.Ichibei is above Senjumaru and can't be sensed which is similar ballpark
What made u type all this? Because I called that person a child? I just don't like themI have no idea where Raven gets her inflated ego nor what justifies in her head this immense pride and "I'm better than you" attitude. Like she gets visibly upset when people don't take her seriously, acts the way she acts, and then wonders why. Crazy.
My motivations are self-evident, even a child could understand them.What made u type all this? Because I called that person a child? I just don't like them
What is it??No one said that the next tier beyond Senjumaru is WSK tier.
Yes the **** I didYou have not proven that Ichibe cannot be sensed. Hitchen's razor gg.
What's the tier below WSK?What is it??
You didn't. You spoke in fractured english and made claims unsubstantiated. You have yet to even justify why Ichibe being beyond Shutara makes him unable to be sensed.Yes the **** I did
I didn't say Arc's side was the silly oneThe fact I had to explain that is crazy. Y'all are dumb I'm done with this debate
Nothing here is an argument.My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.
Alright I'm gunna explain it one more time so children can understand. Because y'all clearly don't.
The rebuttal was not "he isn't stated to be unsensible". Your argument was that Ichibe wasn't explicitly stated/shown to be sensed therefore he cannot be sensed (using Grimmjow as the person doing the sensing). The refutation to this was "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Since you are claiming the absence of evidence (absence of direct statements/showings that Ichibe can be sensed) is evidence of absence (proof Ichibe cannot be sensed). That is a logical fallacy, and thus defeats your argument. It is an argument from ignorance; however, you have conceded to being intentionally ignorant so who is really surprised here.My argument is, Ichibei has never been sensed just like Chrysalis Aizen. The rebuttal was, he wasn't directly stayed to be unsensible. But the thing is, its not it's own tier. Saying Aizen is unsensible but not Ichibei, means you treat unsensible as it's own tier.
The reason Condom Aizen is above Shutara's true power is for the following reason: people weaker than the likes of Kisuke and Isshin who are base Aizen level are likely capable of sensing Shutara's Bankai as we see them react to the permeation of her reiatsu (which would indicate they can perceive it in some manner), meanwhile these stronger characters (Kisuke and Isshin) cannot sense Condom Aizen. Therefore Condom Aizen is stronger. Condom Aizen (unsensible) > Kisuke and Isshin ~ base Aizen > Shunsui < Shutara's Bankai (sensible), therefore Condom Aizen > Shutara's Bankai.But unsensible depends on you and your opponent. So you literally can't use the argument without accepting it as it's own tier. You keep saying you aren't saying it's it's own tier but I don't think you realize applying it to Aizen must mean you upscale Aizen to all Shinigami not stated to be transcendent or WSK. As of right now Chrysalis Aizen is upscaling anybody not WSK level. And because you keep using the term unsensible it means you applying the ability to be sensed as it's own class of tier/being when its based on you and your opponent.
I explain above why this isn't my argument.So if I say Ichibei can't be sensed and you say he was never stated to be unsensible this means you are acting like Aizen is unsensible to any being not WSK or higher. You didn't say this, but your argument is saying this by default.
Don't use the Lord's name in vainJesus Christ
Bulverism moment. Concession accepted tho.The fact I had to explain that is crazy. Y'all are dumb I'm done with this debate
People like Chad and the Sternritter who got no sold by Shutara's Bankai react to the reiatsu. GG on the concession tho.Reacting to the realms being shaken and not her actual reiatsu esp since Gerard and sternritter didn't even know she got stronger but yes it is concession
Minor spelling error GG.Don't use the Lord's name in vein
Edited + nuh uhMinor spelling error GG.
I don't believe in god
No bias here for sure
Rent freed + I do like Arcker more than you + insane copium
No bias here for sure
You can do the same thing on the profile pages with control+f!All I had to search was Jesus Christ
Again, if you were smart you'd realize the point is that you even taking the time to look for it at all is dickeating.All I had to search was Jesus Christ